After everything that I've been reading about how he would go for days not sleeping, not eating, and barely drinking I think his body just gave out. His spirit was too big for that body. Could he have had a dependency on a prescription drug? Yes but we don't know for sure. He lived a clean life but...I just don't think his body could take it any more. He ran himself into the ground and then kept running. I dunno. That's just my opinion.

I think you're spot on. Meds or not, he wore himself out.

i've thought about that, and also reflected on a story he told in the '85 rs interview where he spoke of a friend who worried that they might find him slumped over from overwork. this was before the opiods I'm sure. The human body can only take so much, it's what I tell my friends and family, you must not abuse your body.

isobelfq said:

After everything that I've been reading about how he would go for days not sleeping, not eating, and barely drinking I think his body just gave out. His spirit was too big for that body. Could he have had a dependency on a prescription drug? Yes but we don't know for sure. He lived a clean life but...I just don't think his body could take it any more. He ran himself into the ground and then kept running. I dunno. That's just my opinion.

This was foremost in my mind when I fiest heard the news; I felt that way even more strongly when I read the unpublished RS article. He never stopped working and was notorious all his life for staying up late hours and eating very little. He even said people needed to remind him to drink water. He always reminded me of the energizer bunny. He just kept going no matter what...

these guys, these heroes, these supermen, push themselves past mortal limits. Bruce Lee was known not to sleep, to regularly overwork and although the doctors who attended him have stated, on the record that they believe he had an allergic reaction to cannabis leaves. Truth is, it's still mysterious, some of Bruce's closest friends just believe he pushed his body past it's limits and it's as simple as that. Lots of similarities with Prince here.

Bruce also gave clues that he wouldn't be around much longer, he would tell people. I think prince did too.

Healthy people also just sometimes go to bed and never wake up. He was not strong, in terms of extra weight to fight any illness. Immune system down and low cold/flu could definitely be from long hours and not eating ect. Pills on top of it could have just been the straw....

isobelfq said:

Me too. I'm trying to hang in there until I hear the report.

isobelfq said:

After everything that I've been reading about how he would go for days not sleeping, not eating, and barely drinking I think his body just gave out. His spirit was too big for that body. Could he have had a dependency on a prescription drug? Yes but we don't know for sure. He lived a clean life but...I just don't think his body could take it any more. He ran himself into the ground and then kept running. I dunno. That's just my opinion.

I was thinking the same thing . He gave his all in this life .

I find it hard to believe Prince was taking percocet due to hip pain. I believe he was probably taking the pills to the point of having a severe addiction, because if you think about it, he seemed wired on the regular, but I don't buy it was due to 'pain management'. I have severe chronic pain, for 20 years, and I figured out 2-3 years in that pills were worse than the problem, and instead use yoga, meditation, and a number of other techniques to manage. Strangely enough Prince's 'clean lifestyle' image was kind of motivational for me for a time.

funksterr said:

I find it hard to believe Prince was taking percocet due to hip pain. I believe he was probably taking the pills to the point of having a severe addiction, because if you think about it, he seemed wired on the regular, but I don't buy it was due to 'pain management'. I have severe chronic pain, for 20 years, and I figured out 2-3 years in that pills were worse than the problem, and instead use yoga, meditation, and a number of other techniques to manage. Strangely enough Prince's 'clean lifestyle' image was kind of motivational for me for a time.

Like elvis he was probably clean for the early part of his career. He spoke against drugs and by most accounts he was the odd man out when his teenage peers would smoke pot. I do believe he once upon a time was vehemently against drugs, as was michael jackson. No one mentions it but Michael jackson was very antidrug in his prime. You could say it was image but I believe it and I just think that the craziness of living around music people and also physical injuries in trying to entertain us had a lot to do with it. Word is, Prince had dabbled in ecstasy before Lovesexy, I also read that he drank red wine while recording "How Come You Don't Call Me Anymore" and there is footage of him ducking behind a stage and coming back and exhaling smoke. Obviously, I never believed he was anything like Elvis or Michael in terms of drug abuse but it looks like somehow he got hooked, probably quite innocently managing pain.

PeteSilas said:

funksterr said:

I find it hard to believe Prince was taking percocet due to hip pain. I believe he was probably taking the pills to the point of having a severe addiction, because if you think about it, he seemed wired on the regular, but I don't buy it was due to 'pain management'. I have severe chronic pain, for 20 years, and I figured out 2-3 years in that pills were worse than the problem, and instead use yoga, meditation, and a number of other techniques to manage. Strangely enough Prince's 'clean lifestyle' image was kind of motivational for me for a time.

Like elvis he was probably clean for the early part of his career. He spoke against drugs and by most accounts he was the odd man out when his teenage peers would smoke pot. I do believe he once upon a time was vehemently against drugs, as was michael jackson. No one mentions it but Michael jackson was very antidrug in his prime. You could say it was image but I believe it and I just think that the craziness of living around music people and also physical injuries in trying to entertain us had a lot to do with it. Word is, Prince had dabbled in ecstasy before Lovesexy, I also read that he drank red wine while recording "How Come You Don't Call Me Anymore" and there is footage of him ducking behind a stage and coming back and exhaling smoke. Obviously, I never believed he was anything like Elvis or Michael in terms of drug abuse but it looks like somehow he got hooked, probably quite innocently managing pain.

All plausible, I guess, but... it's just too hard to believe that this was just a recent development. He acted druggie in the mid to early 90's. He was clearly high as a kite on stage with James Brown and MJ in 83. LoveEcstacy was 1988. There was all the drug language in the lyrics of the mid-90s. The Associated Artists are 50/50 cokeheads. A number of his girlfriends. It can't all just be a coincedence.

funksterr said:

laurarichardson said:

funksterr said:

I find it hard to believe Prince was taking percocet due to hip pain. I believe he was probably taking the pills to the point of having a severe addiction, because if you think about it, he seemed wired on the regular, but I don't buy it was due to 'pain management'. I have severe chronic pain, for 20 years, and I figured out 2-3 years in that pills were worse than the problem, and instead use yoga, meditation, and a number of other techniques to manage. Strangely enough Prince's 'clean lifestyle' image was kind of motivational for me for a time.

--- You are so ignorant. No way someone can put out the amount of music did and by on Percocet those shits you knock out I was prescribe them after surgery he would not have made this far. Eric Leeds said that P was complaining back in 2002 when he toured with him. I believe he lived clean until his health problems got I out of control. I also belived he may used them to keep working keep in mind he never stopped working while all of this was going and think what would have happened if is pained stopped from working.

You can't have it both ways: They either knock you on your ass or they don't.

Also Josh claimed he had a 3 hour conversation with Prince as well about Jesus. You can read the entire New Testament in under 3 hrs.

funksterr said:

PeteSilas said:

Like elvis he was probably clean for the early part of his career. He spoke against drugs and by most accounts he was the odd man out when his teenage peers would smoke pot. I do believe he once upon a time was vehemently against drugs, as was michael jackson. No one mentions it but Michael jackson was very antidrug in his prime. You could say it was image but I believe it and I just think that the craziness of living around music people and also physical injuries in trying to entertain us had a lot to do with it. Word is, Prince had dabbled in ecstasy before Lovesexy, I also read that he drank red wine while recording "How Come You Don't Call Me Anymore" and there is footage of him ducking behind a stage and coming back and exhaling smoke. Obviously, I never believed he was anything like Elvis or Michael in terms of drug abuse but it looks like somehow he got hooked, probably quite innocently managing pain.

All plausible, I guess, but... it's just too hard to believe that this was just a recent development. He acted druggie in the mid to early 90's. He was clearly high as a kite on stage with James Brown and MJ in 83. LoveEcstacy was 1988. There was all the drug language in the lyrics of the mid-90s. The Associated Artists are 50/50 cokeheads. A number of his girlfriends. It can't all just be a coincedence.

the james brown thing? Let's be honest, prince did a lot of things just to fuck with people. In fact, let me tell you about the very first time I heard/saw of Prince. It was on Dick Clarks American Bandstand, He sang I wanna be your lover, after he was done, Clark came out and tried to make conversation. I was 12 years old, everyone in the house just started watching, stepdad said "what's wrong with him" I said "he's either gay, on drugs or both!" The effect was, I can recall clearly and completely 36 years later. That wasn't an accident. So, I wasn't convinced he was high at the Brown concert. He spoke antidrug in Poplife, even Let's go crazy was seen as a criticism of the pop star lifestyle, now it's seen as an eerie prophecy. In the 90's he did lose weight and was very pale, if there was a time when he was heavily involved with illegal drugs, I would say that would be it. He was driven crazy by the record company games and he was looked at as having lost his mind by the public. Now, here we are lauding him for being so bold as to stand up to the record companies.

laurarichardson said:

funksterr said:

I find it hard to believe Prince was taking percocet due to hip pain. I believe he was probably taking the pills to the point of having a severe addiction, because if you think about it, he seemed wired on the regular, but I don't buy it was due to 'pain management'. I have severe chronic pain, for 20 years, and I figured out 2-3 years in that pills were worse than the problem, and instead use yoga, meditation, and a number of other techniques to manage. Strangely enough Prince's 'clean lifestyle' image was kind of motivational for me for a time.

--- You are so ignorant. No way someone can put out the amount of music did and by on Percocet those shits you knock out I was prescribe them after surgery he would not have made this far. Eric Leeds said that P was complaining back in 2002 when he toured with him. I believe he lived clean until his health problems got I out of control. I also belived he may used them to keep working keep in mind he never stopped working while all of this was going and think what would have happened if is pained stopped from working.

mynameisnotsusan said:

I'm so ready for this effin' autopsy report

same here so we can put all these rumors to bed finally. So sick of the media speculation already.

I agree with you. He perhaps had a physical dependency on the painkillers - but if you

look at the interviews in the past ten years, he certainly doesn't seem to have

any behavioral changes, in my opinion. But, yes, I think it was a combination of a lot

of things. He was an athelete of sorts and you can't overwork a body like that in terrible

conditions - no sleep, no water, no eating. The body will only take so much.

meagemini2 said:

I agree with you. He perhaps had a physical dependency on the painkillers - but if you

look at the interviews in the past ten years, he certainly doesn't seem to have

any behavioral changes, in my opinion. But, yes, I think it was a combination of a lot

of things. He was an athelete of sorts and you can't overwork a body like that in terrible

conditions - no sleep, no water, no eating. The body will only take so much.

He certainly was not a "drug addict" in the popular conception of one. No one could ever accuse him of being unprofessional...right down to his last concert, which he should not have performed. He was a perfectionist workaholic to the end...and didn't want to disappoint his fans. And he didn't.

PeteSilas said:

these guys, these heroes, these supermen, push themselves past mortal limits. Bruce Lee was known not to sleep, to regularly overwork and although the doctors who attended him have stated, on the record that they believe he had an allergic reaction to cannabis leaves. Truth is, it's still mysterious, some of Bruce's closest friends just believe he pushed his body past it's limits and it's as simple as that. Lots of similarities with Prince here.

yeah that comparison has crossed my mind. Bruce and Prince are my 2 idols in life. Now I know how it felt when Bruce Lee died. Times 10!!! Though deep down, I wouldn't be surprised if both of them were offed.

mrmarcus said:

PeteSilas said:

these guys, these heroes, these supermen, push themselves past mortal limits. Bruce Lee was known not to sleep, to regularly overwork and although the doctors who attended him have stated, on the record that they believe he had an allergic reaction to cannabis leaves. Truth is, it's still mysterious, some of Bruce's closest friends just believe he pushed his body past it's limits and it's as simple as that. Lots of similarities with Prince here.

yeah that comparison has crossed my mind. Bruce and Prince are my 2 idols in life. Now I know how it felt when Bruce Lee died. Times 10!!! Though deep down, I wouldn't be surprised if both of them were offed.

my close mentor was Taky Kimura, if you know anything about Bruce, you know who that is. As i've gotten older and older, I really do believe Bruce would have been or could have been a very dangerous symbol to the govt.s in china. In fact, his films were banned in communist china, which is why there is sort of a rennaisance of his art there. I have had chinese customers who know practically nothing about him and I try to let them know of this superman who came from their culture. As far as Dim Mak, death touch, I do not discount it, most people look at things like curses as superstitious silliness but I believe it's possible someone just didn't like him and laid a curse on him. I mean, to be honest, the allergic reaction to either cannabis or equagesic is about as ridiculous really. And don't get me started on the wierdness surrounding Brandon's death.

isobelfq said:

After everything that I've been reading about how he would go for days not sleeping, not eating, and barely drinking I think his body just gave out. His spirit was too big for that body. Could he have had a dependency on a prescription drug? Yes but we don't know for sure. He lived a clean life but...I just don't think his body could take it any more. He ran himself into the ground and then kept running. I dunno. That's just my opinion.

For sure if he was really going days without sleeping and not allowing himself to rest not eating properly that would have taken its toll.

But perhaps that can be added to the possibility he was really using a lot of opiod medication {perhaps for pain management}. It seems now likely that he was using something considering the recent report that he had a scheduled arrangement to see a specialist Doctor concerning addiction

and that the representative for that specialist was in fact the person who called 911. It took a while for that story to start unfolding , but if whats been reported so far is correct then it seems there was definitly a substance addiction problem going on.

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