He was freaking horrible as well!

I didn't watch it, i did see his performances on the news which weren't that good either. but difference is, we know stevie is the real deal and someone who is a true peer to Prince.

avasdad said:

He was freaking horrible as well!

I didn't see the performance as I haven't watched an awards show since I was a teenager but I would have to assume because Stevie is a super talented singer/musician while Madonna is merely a a genius at self-promotion with very very little musical talent. Stevie is worthy. Madonna is unequivocally not.

homesquid said:

avasdad said:

He was freaking horrible as well!

I didn't see the performance as I haven't watched an awards show since I was a teenager but I would have to assume because Stevie is a super talented singer/musician while Madonna is merely a a genius at self-promotion with very very little musical talent. Stevie is worthy. Madonna is unequivocally not.

It should have been Stevie with a token verse from Madonna, if that.

real deal?! He was ALL wrong for that song! Madonna was simply exposed she doesnt have a singing voice....

avasdad said:

real deal?! He was ALL wrong for that song! Madonna was simply exposed she doesnt have a singing voice....

the performance he did on the news, as hackneyed as it was, he had a cool little instrument that sounded like a guitar, it wasn't all bad. Madonna brings nothing to the table but her own self-aggrandizing ways.

if it was Stevie doing a tribute the way he had wanted, it would have been different... it was like he was brought in as an afterthought to give the thing some credibility

i don't blame him

Revolution said:

Stevie sounded worse than madonna last night. Prince was peerless. Nobody worked as hard or was as gifted.

only way stevie would sound worse than madonna is either not knowing the lyrics or trying to sing in a range to be compatible with her, other than that, it's not possible to sing worse than madonna unless he tried to.

Revolution said:

Stevie sounded worse than madonna last night. Prince was peerless. Nobody worked as hard or was as gifted.

Total crap. Stevie is every bit as talented as Prince is. His musical legacy will last longer than Prince's too. Marvin Gaye was a greater artist than Prince. Prince never came close to creating an album on par with "What's Going On". Michael Jackson was a greater entertainer and singer. Freddie Mercury was a genius. Bob Dylan is more important and a superior songwriter. Jimi Hendrix blows Prince away as a gutarist. And it goes on. Prince was a great musician and songwriter but people make too big a deal about his ability to play multiple instruments. Prince is one of the greats but it's just fanatacism to act like he was peerless.

homesquid said:

Revolution said:

Stevie sounded worse than madonna last night. Prince was peerless. Nobody worked as hard or was as gifted.

Total crap. Stevie is every bit as talented as Prince is. His musical legacy will last longer than Prince's too. Marvin Gaye was a greater artist than Prince. Prince never came close to creating an album on par with "What's Going On". Michael Jackson was a greater entertainer and singer. Freddie Mercury was a genius. Bob Dylan is more important and a superior songwriter. Jimi Hendrix blows Prince away as a gutarist. And it goes on. Prince was a great musician and songwriter but people make too big a deal about his ability to play multiple instruments. Prince is one of the greats but it's just fanatacism to act like he was peerless.

All those guys are quite the package but none of them put it all together better than Prince. Marvin gaye was the greatest singer (arguably) of our time but he had a lot of help in the studio and most of his songs were cowritten by other people. Stevie had a crew around him up until Secret who had a lot to do with his best material, Michael wasn't a great singer as an adult and he couldn't play one instrument well, let alone 3 or 4, Dylan is often named as the first guy to start the era of writers who couldn't sing, he never played that well and personally, he only has a few songs which i liked. Jimi was a monster but i think prince passed him on guitar just because he had more time. jimi was an innovator but many people have taken his inventions and passed him. His live playing is sloppy as hell and he wasn't a great singer either. He also truncated his potential by dying 30 years before Prince did. We'll be hearing Prince music forever because there are reams and reams of it which we've never heard and we have no idea if the stuff is all junk or some of the best stuff he's ever done, we'll have to wait.

Because he's old and blind and his people probably forced him into it.

SoulAlive said:

newsflash: as artists get older,their voices lose their power.We can't expect Stevie to sound like he did 40 years ago.I love the fact that he was there and,considering how so many of our legendary artists have died,I'm gonna continue to appreciate him.Let's stop nitpicking and enjoy our icons while they're still here!

that's true, i haven't really heard stevie sing recently so i'll give you that. Some guys voices age worse than others. Little Richard sounded better than ever in his fifties but once he hit his mid sixties, he couldn't do it anymore. Johnny Cash sounded awful on his final tracks but he more than made up for it with the depth of his voice, making his final recordings some of his best.

homesquid said:

you fuckers got me curious now, i'm going to go watch it. anyway, stevie has nothing to prove, madonna will never be in that league. What a horrible example for women, you talk about getting a pass, she gets a pass as some empowering feminist when she just whored her way through life. Just because millions of teenage dummies liked her stuff means nothing.

Revolution said:

Stevie sounded worse than madonna last night. Prince was peerless. Nobody worked as hard or was as gifted.

This is kind of ridiculous although I'm not sure whether or not it's sarcasm.

and personally, I love Marvin, almost as much as I love Prince but even his best album doesn't move me like many of Prince's. Lots of what's going on was just like a jam by a guy that's high as a kite, great album, not as good as 1999 Purple Rain, Parade, Sott, albums that if they weren't solid all the way through, they were damn close to it. Marvin put a lot of filler on his albums. Interesting how his piano chops are ignored though, i think he was a better pianist than prince and definitely a better singer.

PeteSilas said:

homesquid said:

Total crap. Stevie is every bit as talented as Prince is. His musical legacy will last longer than Prince's too. Marvin Gaye was a greater artist than Prince. Prince never came close to creating an album on par with "What's Going On". Michael Jackson was a greater entertainer and singer. Freddie Mercury was a genius. Bob Dylan is more important and a superior songwriter. Jimi Hendrix blows Prince away as a gutarist. And it goes on. Prince was a great musician and songwriter but people make too big a deal about his ability to play multiple instruments. Prince is one of the greats but it's just fanatacism to act like he was peerless.

All those guys are quite the package but none of them put it all together better than Prince. Marvin gaye was the greatest singer (arguably) of our time but he had a lot of help in the studio and most of his songs were cowritten by other people. Stevie had a crew around him up until Secret who had a lot to do with his best material, Michael wasn't a great singer as an adult and he couldn't play one instrument well, let alone 3 or 4, Dylan is often named as the first guy to start the era of writers who couldn't sing, he never played that well and personally, he only has a few songs which i liked. Jimi was a monster but i think prince passed him on guitar just because he had more time. jimi was an innovator but many people have taken his inventions and passed him. His live playing is sloppy as hell and he wasn't a great singer either. He also truncated his potential by dying 30 years before Prince did. We'll be hearing Prince music forever because there are reams and reams of it which we've never heard and we have no idea if the stuff is all junk or some of the best stuff he's ever done, we'll have to wait.

Michael was not a great singer as an adult? WTF

Well, I wouldn't put him in the class of other great singers as an adult, his voice was too thin. i wouldn't put him with Stevie, Marvin or Jackie Wilson. he was very very good but I don't think great, just my opinion and I have no problem with others. What made michael was his great business sense, his fine songwriting, his ability to envision big things and of course his dancing and singing.

homesquid said:

avasdad said:

He was freaking horrible as well!

I didn't see the performance as I haven't watched an awards show since I was a teenager but I would have to assume because Stevie is a super talented singer/musician while Madonna is merely a a genius at self-promotion with very very little musical talent. Stevie is worthy. Madonna is unequivocally not.

Why feel the need to comment on something you haven't seen? I think Stevie Wonder would tell you he didn't do a very good job last night. It was too early for him to attempt it on national television.

And that's ok -- doesn't make him a lesser artist. He gave it a shot and it didn't work so well but it was from the heart.

twistyt said:

homesquid said:

Total crap. Stevie is every bit as talented as Prince is. His musical legacy will last longer than Prince's too. Marvin Gaye was a greater artist than Prince. Prince never came close to creating an album on par with "What's Going On". Michael Jackson was a greater entertainer and singer. Freddie Mercury was a genius. Bob Dylan is more important and a superior songwriter. Jimi Hendrix blows Prince away as a gutarist. And it goes on. Prince was a great musician and songwriter but people make too big a deal about his ability to play multiple instruments. Prince is one of the greats but it's just fanatacism to act like he was peerless.

^ Someone forgot to take their meds today. Prince was the greatest ever. Just accept it. P had no album that's on par with "What's Going On"? Pulease!!!

Agree to disagree. No chance Prince was "greatest ever". I stand by what I wrote. Prince was one of the greats but will never be thought of as the greatest outside this silly forum. I love Prince's music. For 30+ years I have but I have no qualms about saying Freddie Mercuey was a greater vocalist. No qualms about saying Marvin Gaye was more soulful and deeper. No qualms about saying Prince couldn't play guitar like Hendrix. He couldn't dance or thrill like Michael Jackson. He isn't as funky as JB and George Clinton. Prince could do it all but that doesn't mean he did it all better.

homesquid said:

Revolution said:

Stevie sounded worse than madonna last night. Prince was peerless. Nobody worked as hard or was as gifted.

Total crap. Stevie is every bit as talented as Prince is. His musical legacy will last longer than Prince's too. Marvin Gaye was a greater artist than Prince. Prince never came close to creating an album on par with "What's Going On". Michael Jackson was a greater entertainer and singer. Freddie Mercury was a genius. Bob Dylan is more important and a superior songwriter. Jimi Hendrix blows Prince away as a gutarist. And it goes on. Prince was a great musician and songwriter but people make too big a deal about his ability to play multiple instruments. Prince is one of the greats but it's just fanatacism to act like he was peerless.

Useless diatribe to cover the fact you somehow feel the need to defend a performance you did not see.

All the people you mention brought something great and essential to music, they are all among my favorite artists of all time. Prince is numero uno with me because he was able to distill the essence all of them, just by himself in a studio.Doesn't lessen anyone else's talent but I think even Stevie places Prince above himself ultimately.

214 said:

PeteSilas said:

All those guys are quite the package but none of them put it all together better than Prince. Marvin gaye was the greatest singer (arguably) of our time but he had a lot of help in the studio and most of his songs were cowritten by other people. Stevie had a crew around him up until Secret who had a lot to do with his best material, Michael wasn't a great singer as an adult and he couldn't play one instrument well, let alone 3 or 4, Dylan is often named as the first guy to start the era of writers who couldn't sing, he never played that well and personally, he only has a few songs which i liked. Jimi was a monster but i think prince passed him on guitar just because he had more time. jimi was an innovator but many people have taken his inventions and passed him. His live playing is sloppy as hell and he wasn't a great singer either. He also truncated his potential by dying 30 years before Prince did. We'll be hearing Prince music forever because there are reams and reams of it which we've never heard and we have no idea if the stuff is all junk or some of the best stuff he's ever done, we'll have to wait.

Michael was not a great singer as an adult? WTF

WTF indeed. That's crazy talk. MJ had an amazing voice and had tremendous control. His abaility to scream in his raspy voice at perfect pich is a marvel.

homesquid said:

twistyt said:

homesquid said: ^ Someone forgot to take their meds today. Prince was the greatest ever. Just accept it. P had no album that's on par with "What's Going On"? Pulease!!!

Agree to disagree. No chance Prince was "greatest ever". I stand by what I wrote. Prince was one of the greats but will never be thought of as the greatest outside this silly forum. I love Prince's music. For 30+ years I have but I have no qualms about saying Freddie Mercuey was a greater vocalist. No qualms about saying Marvin Gaye was more soulful and deeper. No qualms about saying Prince couldn't play guitar like Hendrix. He couldn't dance or thrill like Michael Jackson. He isn't as funky as JB and George Clinton. Prince could do it all but that doesn't mean he did it all better.

i keep comparing him to the "pound for pound" greatest fighter, Sugar Ray Robinson. General consensus is he is the best but there are always people who'll say "he lost so many fights" or something. Thing is, Ray put everything together better than anyone else, there were guys who were better at any one or maybe even a couple departments but they had weaknesses in other. Same with prince, jon Bream called him the best all around pop star ever and he's right. so what he couldn't dance like Michael, Michael couldn't play anything, often relied on lipsynching and had to have a lot of help to do anything. He wasn't capable of being autonomous. Hendrix couldn't sing, was a great showman but not a dancer, only played one instrument well, etc.., George Clinton is a horrible guy to compare Prince to, could he play anything? I've never seen him with an instrument, come on. And as much as I love Elvis, he couldn't touch Prince as an instrumentalist and he didn't write.

MoBettaBliss said:

if it was Stevie doing a tribute the way he had wanted, it would have been different... it was like he was brought in as an afterthought to give the thing some credibility

i don't blame him

homesquid said:

214 said:

Michael was not a great singer as an adult? WTF

WTF indeed. That's crazy talk. MJ had an amazing voice and had tremendous control. His abaility to scream in his raspy voice at perfect pich is a marvel.

his lip synching was great too.