TheEnglishGent said:

stinasings said:

nursev said: I love Montreux version especially how it go goes into Elixir is just beautiful

He goes into Love Like Jazz and She Spoke To Me on the Montreux performances of I Love You But... Elixer follows Empty Room.

Unless I'm missing a Montreux, which would be good to know!

LOL Ur right. I was listening to Empty Room before I posted and my brain got confused. Ooops.

beachy said:

beachy said:

shannont said:

beachy said:

He played this song at his very last concert in Atlanta and after the phrase "good old days" said "the 80's?" so he was directing the song to his favorite protege in the 80s, not Mayte. I think it was Vanity. She cheated on him after he cheated on her. And she got married without telling him.

I went to his concert in Oakland on 2/28/16 at the Paramount. He sang this song and he referred to his favorite protégée in this song and then after, said "she's gone" which felt like he was talking about Vanity. If this song was originally written for Mayte he could've used it for Vanity, but personally it feels like it was always about Vanity, she was his intense love, the one that mirrored himself the most! One hundred percent for Vanity and he sang it at the concert in Oakland the day after her service in Fremont Ca. I was lucky to get to most concerts he had in the Bay Area and this was the only time I heard him sing this in concert and it lined up with the recent loss of Vanity. Just sayin.... He loved that woman!!!!

Anything else you can share about that concert?

shannont said:

beachy said:

He played this song at his very last concert in Atlanta and after the phrase "good old days" said "the 80's?" so he was directing the song to his favorite protege in the 80s, not Mayte. I think it was Vanity. She cheated on him after he cheated on her. And she got married without telling him.

I went to his concert in Oakland on 2/28/16 at the Paramount. He sang this song and he referred to his favorite protégée in this song and then after, said "she's gone" which felt like he was talking about Vanity. If this song was originally written for Mayte he could've used it for Vanity, but personally it feels like it was always about Vanity, she was his intense love, the one that mirrored himself the most! One hundred percent for Vanity and he sang it at the concert in Oakland the day after her service in Fremont Ca. I was lucky to get to most concerts he had in the Bay Area and this was the only time I heard him sing this in concert and it lined up with the recent loss of Vanity. Just sayin.... He loved that woman!!!!

Anything else you can share about that concert?

I just wonder if Prince decided each song was about different women at different times. He might have originally written it about one love, but then he got into a similar situation with another love and decided to change the story about which love it referred to?

Chronology aside, that seems right. Otherwise he just seems like a giant revolving door of rebounds.

(Just wait for the saddest song about free throws, dribbles and three pointers ever.)

One of his most vulnerable songs...

PurpleBabied said:

I just wonder if Prince decided each song was about different women at different times. He might have originally written it about one love, but then he got into a similar situation with another love and decided to change the story about which love it referred to?

Chronology aside, that seems right. Otherwise he just seems like a giant revolving door of rebounds.

(Just wait for the saddest song about free throws, dribbles and three pointers ever.)

I agree with your point. This is one of the aspects of Prince's music that makes it so interesting. The listeners have to infer so much, which creates debate.

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The timing of "I Love U But Don't Trust U Anymore" suggests that the song is about Mayte. However, it could be about someone else. Perhaps the divorce made him think about previous break-ups. I have no idea, just throwing out an idea. (I was born in 1986, so I have no first-hand recollection of his life from the 1980s.)

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I think it would be interesting if someone interviewed Mayte and asked her which songs he wrote about her or sang for her. In the Oprah interview from 1996, she said that he wrote all of these wonderful songs for her, so I'm sure she would know which happy love songs are for or about her. But would she also know which break-up songs were about her as well? Just based on my own experience listening to music, artists tend to be more inclined to share who is the subject of a happy love song and less inclined to share who is the subject of a break-up song or angry love song.

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It makes for interesting conversation, no doubt.

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206Michelle said:

PurpleBabied said:

I just wonder if Prince decided each song was about different women at different times. He might have originally written it about one love, but then he got into a similar situation with another love and decided to change the story about which love it referred to?

Chronology aside, that seems right. Otherwise he just seems like a giant revolving door of rebounds.

(Just wait for the saddest song about free throws, dribbles and three pointers ever.)

I agree with your point. This is one of the aspects of Prince's music that makes it so interesting. The listeners have to infer so much, which creates debate.

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The timing of "I Love U But Don't Trust U Anymore" suggests that the song is about Mayte. However, it could be about someone else. Perhaps the divorce made him think about previous break-ups. I have no idea, just throwing out an idea. (I was born in 1986, so I have no first-hand recollection of his life from the 1980s.)

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I think it would be interesting if someone interviewed Mayte and asked her which songs he wrote about her or sang for her. In the Oprah interview from 1996, she said that he wrote all of these wonderful songs for her, so I'm sure she would know which happy love songs are for or about her. But would she also know which break-up songs were about her as well? Just based on my own experience listening to music, artists tend to be more inclined to share who is the subject of a happy love song and less inclined to share who is the subject of a break-up song or angry love song.

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It makes for interesting conversation, no doubt.

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Prince:

"[Current girlfriend who I'm seeing now for varying values of now & exclusivity] I love you so much, I not only wrote an album about you, I wrote half my catalog about you. You are muse to end all muses, the alpha, the omega, the only. My heart just time traveled to write these songs about you before you were born because we are old souls destined for each other. You broke my heart when I was a glimmer in my father's eye and you'll heal me when I'm reborn as another child..." --- jazz outro...

I'm sure he came up with this for every girlfriend and wife and believed every single word while it was coming out of his mouth with his whole heart.

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nursev said:

beachy said:

He played this song at his very last concert in Atlanta and after the phrase "good old days" said "the 80's?" so he was directing the song to his favorite protege in the 80s, not Mayte. I think it was Vanity. She cheated on him after he cheated on her. And she got married without telling him.

That's what I heard, it was about Vanity. Lord knows he NEVER liked a taste of his own medicine. I also don't think Vanity was his "soul mate" as others claim. He has said with his own words, it was Mayte. He was never the same after that.

keenly said:

McD said:

Its not a valid discussion to suggest the Matye breakup album has a break-up song that might be about Mayte? The one from '99, sung in the present tense, with a ring and a monogamous relationship where everything fits Mayte?

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You win. See ya.

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You hatred for Mayte is sick.

Sorry, but monogamous was NOT a word in P's vocabulary. I always found this quite hypocritical of him. Actually, it always pissed me off.

He left Mayte in Spain to play with Mani in the US. Probably the biggest mistake of his life.

irresistiblebitch666 said:

Ok, first of all we know that Prince was fuzzy when it came to chronology and time and he was super imaginative. So I wouldn't put it past him to retcon all kinds of events and their meanings in his past relationships in his own head, let alone for interviewers. He has entire albums of "women who did him wrong" but he broke many hearts simulataneously. I think he may have had several relationships in his head. For example, he said once that "Adore" was about Patrice Rushen. That entire song is just "I am totally sprung, we've consummated the relationship, I'm practically going to get married to you." Did they even seriously date? I wouldn't put it past him have the entire arc of a tragic relationship play out solely in his head and through song.

Secondly, if you believe in soulmates and/or past lives, you can have more than one and they're not always your romantic love. Your sibling in one life could be your spouse in another. Your murderer could be a soulmate in another life. I mean, maybe the dude had a whole truckload of soulmates he kept cycling through in this lifetime and just opted not to do anything about the romantic ones.

TrivialPursuit said:

Goddess4Real said:

I also think Dark, Indifference,Little Red Corvette/Dirty Mind were Vanity related as well and The Beautiful Ones and Purple Rain.

What is "Indifference"?

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LRC isn't about Vanity - but the story of how that was written is pretty cool. Lisa Coleman still owns that pink car.

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Purple Rain is divided into three parts, actually.

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The first verse, "I never meant to cause you any sorrow", was about his father.

The second verse, "I never wanted to be your weekend lover", was about Apollonia.

The third verse, "Honey I know times are changing", is about his band.

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One time he explained the meaning of the term 'purple rain', "When there's blood in the sky, red and blue equals purple. Purple rain pertains to the end of the world, and being with the one you love, and letting your faith and God guide you through the purple rain". If you think about it, he even sings about a purple sky in "1999".

It wasn't about Apollonia..she was a FWB at best, and that was temporary and wasn't anything she even copped to but seriuosly, the girl needed a job so----------but yes, it was about Vanity!!! She was there when the whole movie/album was being created and helped Prince with the writing of the movie parts (hers and his) she said this during her chrisitan preaching days and he wouldn't credit or pay her, so she left.

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Appolonia was a filler, she read someone elses lines..it had nothing to do with her!

Also..there was a 4th verse in Purple Rain that Prince took out it was about not NEEDING OR WANTING HER MONEY that was completely about Vanity..again she was compleyey intertwined in the fabric of this move from beginning to end.

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It was about the both of them.

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PurpleBabied said:

Great song...and the Montreux version is a very fine live performance...up there with any ballad he has done live

It resonates with me - as someone ...that was insecure about a relationship with a girl

Wether that insecurity was justified or not

A very raw yet tender song

Goddess4Real said:

purplegirl00 said:

I also think Dark, Indifference,Little Red Corvette/Dirty Mind were Vanity related as well and The Beautiful Ones and Purple Rain.

Hi Goddess I'd agree. The "Indifference" video looks like a Vanity "Mirror Theme” video too (songs that look like they may be inspired/about Vanity). It has the same mirroring effect that you see in the back end of WDC. Great song - acoustic, raw feel. You'll find it on Youtube.

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If you're interested in Vanity's Mirror Theme there's more info on threads: http://prince.org/msg/7/426877 and http://prince.org/msg/5/424143

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I'm more inclined to follow Prince's own words than anything else so I'd agree I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore looks like it's about Vanity. And Montreux 2009 is a brilliant concert!

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PurpleBabied said:

This song is definitely not about Mayte - in fact, I don't believe any of the trilogy of "breakup" songs on Rave about her.

Rave was recorded in the spring of 1999. This is during the period when Prince had been cheating with Mani for more than a minute, and Prince was still trying to hide it all from Mayte. Prince was not writing bitter "breakup" songs about Mayte breaking his heart... it was more that he was losing interest in her at a time when she was busy being the young/naive one in the marriage.

After this album was done, Prince was out in Spain with Mayte talking up their marriage to InTouch magazine with the album playing in the background.

Separately, the incident at Float happened long after Rave.

Keep in mind that as of the Celebration when Kevin Smith was visiting, Prince was sensitive about playing songs about Mayte because he knew what he had done... he was not bitter about it but, rather, clearly feeling guilty because he knew what he had been doing with Mani behind Mayte's back for all that time.

I am pretty sure "I Love U But..." is about Vanity, but whether it is isn't, it definitely isn't about Mayte. Same thing with "Come On," which people also used to try to say was about her.

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The 'How depressed was he about Vanity?' thread picked up a couple of weeks ago that Vanity is wearing a wedding ring in her TV appearances with Vanity 6.

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BanishedBrian said:

This song is definitely not about Mayte - in fact, I don't believe any of the trilogy of "breakup" songs on Rave about her.

Rave was recorded in the spring of 1999. This is during the period when Prince had been cheating with Mani for more than a minute, and Prince was still trying to hide it all from Mayte. Prince was not writing bitter "breakup" songs about Mayte breaking his heart... it was more that he was losing interest in her at a time when she was busy being the young/naive one in the marriage.

After this album was done, Prince was out in Spain with Mayte talking up their marriage to InTouch magazine with the album playing in the background.

Separately, the incident at Float happened long after Rave.

Keep in mind that as of the Celebration when Kevin Smith was visiting, Prince was sensitive about playing songs about Mayte because he knew what he had done... he was not bitter about it but, rather, clearly feeling guilty because he knew what he had been doing with Mani behind Mayte's back for all that time.

I am pretty sure "I Love U But..." is about Vanity, but whether it is isn't, it definitely isn't about Mayte. Same thing with "Come On," which people also used to try to say was about her.

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I hate to ask, since EVERYONE here is simply speculating, but... what is "the incident at Float"? I suppose I should just do an Org search? **NEVERMIND**

Goodness, how "we" crawled up this man's ass for every detail, it's kinda weird Not saying this about YOU in particular, BanishedBrain, but just the general speculation that went on around everything in his life. It gets to me sometimes, like nothing could be just for him. Fans want to know everything. Must have been bizarre.

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BillieBalloon said:

PurpleBabied said:

Ok, first of all we know that Prince was fuzzy when it came to chronology and time and he was super imaginative. So I wouldn't put it past him to retcon all kinds of events and their meanings in his past relationships in his own head, let alone for interviewers. He has entire albums of "women who did him wrong" but he broke many hearts simulataneously. I think he may have had several relationships in his head. For example, he said once that "Adore" was about Patrice Rushen. That entire song is just "I am totally sprung, we've consummated the relationship, I'm practically going to get married to you." Did they even seriously date? I wouldn't put it past him have the entire arc of a tragic relationship play out solely in his head and through song.

Secondly, if you believe in soulmates and/or past lives, you can have more than one and they're not always your romantic love. Your sibling in one life could be your spouse in another. Your murderer could be a soulmate in another life. I mean, maybe the dude had a whole truckload of soulmates he kept cycling through in this lifetime and just opted not to do anything about the romantic ones.

He had a huge crush on her...there was no relationship I don't think. He did wear his heart on his sleeve at times and i think he fell for people quickly and pasio6nately and wrote songs for them...even if there was no real relationship. Like crushes he had, and the Patrice Rushen episode is an example of that. He was an enigma that's for sure...and an absolute romantic. He also wrote I wanna be your lover and I feel for you for Patrice. Probably very easily hurt too. . [Edited 6/28/16 10:38am]

Just curious, are you talkin about Vanity? They were 2gether for a few years (at least) bcuz he did try to keep getting her back (according to Nikki Sixx) and after she died he said ''we loved each other deeply...'' i would believe him over anything or anyone else

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if what you guys say is true, I can't believe prince would cheat on mayte, he seemed so in love with her, from the oprah interview to the interview on good morning america, it would be hard to believe he would cheat on the mother of his child, he doesnt seem like the kind of guy who would break her heart like that, he seems like a really sweet guy, not a cheater.

CalhounSq said:

BanishedBrian said:

This song is definitely not about Mayte - in fact, I don't believe any of the trilogy of "breakup" songs on Rave about her.

Rave was recorded in the spring of 1999. This is during the period when Prince had been cheating with Mani for more than a minute, and Prince was still trying to hide it all from Mayte. Prince was not writing bitter "breakup" songs about Mayte breaking his heart... it was more that he was losing interest in her at a time when she was busy being the young/naive one in the marriage.

After this album was done, Prince was out in Spain with Mayte talking up their marriage to InTouch magazine with the album playing in the background.

Separately, the incident at Float happened long after Rave.

Keep in mind that as of the Celebration when Kevin Smith was visiting, Prince was sensitive about playing songs about Mayte because he knew what he had done... he was not bitter about it but, rather, clearly feeling guilty because he knew what he had been doing with Mani behind Mayte's back for all that time.

I am pretty sure "I Love U But..." is about Vanity, but whether it is isn't, it definitely isn't about Mayte. Same thing with "Come On," which people also used to try to say was about her.

[Edited 6/28/16 14:58pm]

I hate to ask, since EVERYONE here is simply speculating, but... what is "the incident at Float"? I suppose I should just do an Org search? **NEVERMIND**

Goodness, how "we" crawled up this man's ass for every detail, it's kinda weird Not saying this about YOU in particular, BanishedBrain, but just the general speculation that went on around everything in his life. It gets to me sometimes, like nothing could be just for him. Fans want to know everything. Must have been bizarre.

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Hi CalhounSq

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You make a valid point. People are looking at him in depth and speculating but isn't that what this forum is for?

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It would appear the one thing everyone should be taking away from any discussion to do with Prince since Vanity's death is that alot of what you've been led to believe looks questionable. What's true? What's not? There's a really strong narrative coming out that's contradicting alot of things and whether things are ever clarified fully (through his book etc) who knows?

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And until then, you're right people will speculate (they were already speculating before any of this anyway). There's actually nothing wrong with discussing things. It's pretty normal behaviour to want to try and talk things through when things are shifting.

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Most of this discussion isn't necessarily for gossipy reasons at all but because he's a great artist. And like all great artists, there's alot of interest in understanding how and why he created that art, what his motivations/drivers were, muses/inspirations etc so people can learn from and emulate him. He's left us a great gift

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He may have dedicated it to the 80s during the concert, but the song originally was written about Mayte and their breakup. A lot of songs, Prince seemed to dedicate to people after the fact, because the sentiment of the song fit with what he was feeling at the time he dedicated it to those people, but originally the people they were wrote for were different from who he dedicated them to afterwards.

And there are some that think EVERY song is about Vanity.