I suppose this is a fairly audacious topic for a newbie org.er to start. But. I was thinking...You know. My spirituality is inclined towards the idea that we have a life purpose and one or a handful of intentions when we incarnate. And when we have basically done all we came here to do, we are essentially free to return to our spiritual home at any time. I have even read about "exit points" that are pre-built into our life plan. And if you aren't quite feeling like you did what you came to do, you can reject that exit point and wait for the next one. Maybe it truly, simply, was Prince's time to go home.

We don't have to like it, we don't have to want it to be that way. No one was psychologically prepared. It's a shocker. But c'mon! He arguably did everything on his to-do list, and mastered his mission.

Take the world by storm? Check. Do it MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY? Check. Become one of the greatest musicans of the 20th century, if not of all time? Aw shucks, ya got me. Check. Preach the message of love, friendship, and community? Check. Stick my neck out for causes and help countless people both through my powerful music, and also through altruism of many flavors, including finanical and mentoring? Check. Sticking it to The Suits on behalf of all artists everywhere in front of the entire planet, in graphic, assertive, cocky and creative ways? AWWW YEAH. Oh! Acting in movies, always wanted to do that. Did I do it? CHECK. Recording in every conceivable genre (jazz, rock, funk, pop, classical, techno, folk, torch, experimental, a capella...? Check check check. And finally, the final cherry on the cake: doing a show with only me and a piano? Total vulnerability, total transparency? Boom shakalaka.

I would say he pretty much left no stone unturned. In short, just because there were show dates on the docket, or the will wasn't completed, or there was a doctor heading to his house the next morning, doesn't mean he wasn't supposed to go, or that he had pressing business left. Maybe he slipped out just in time so that he didn't have to deal with all the medical stuff that was looming. Not worth it. Would have fucked up his flow. He sorta needed to scoot before shit got real on a physical level with the medical stuff, I think. Who wants to end on a low when you can go out on a high note? That's got Prince written all over it!

A WORD ON EXIT POINTS:

If we follow this logic, April 21 seems to have been deliberately woven into the plan, as a beacon, or a cue. He recorded "Sometimes it Snows in April" (about dying in April) on April 21st, 1985 (foreshadowing his exit). He almost killed himself with wine and pills on April 21st 1996 (first exit point, but decided that he hadn't accomplised enough?). And on April 21st of this year, he had another full 20 years to achieve closure. So he went.

Nicely said. I'm a big proponet on purpose too. "We all got a space to fill". We might as well fill it with something meaningful. To say anything less in reference to Prince or about Prince would be an understatement. His life's work makes the average person appear lazy . He was so accomplished. He is and will always be known as a genius.

Someone has been reading Michael Newton, no? I had just finished Destiny of Souls a few days before Prince passsed, so of course I immediately considered the possibility that he had fulfilled his life's purpose and chose an exit point. I agree with you that it makes sense. I like the idea that there was something better waiting for him, and will be for all of us, on the other side.

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I tried that thought on for a minute too. It didn't help.

If God took him, he did accomplish what he was supposed to do.

FUNKYNESS said:

If God took him, he did accomplish what he was supposed to do.

I suppose cancer babies have also accomplished their life goals too?

What about the custom bass guitar he had ordered? I don't suppose he paid the full cost up front, so that right there is some unfinished business.

NouveauDance said:

FUNKYNESS said:

If God took him, he did accomplish what he was supposed to do.

I suppose cancer babies have also accomplished their life goals too?

Babies with cancer are not funny, yet somehow this comment is.

NouveauDance said:

FUNKYNESS said:

If God took him, he did accomplish what he was supposed to do.

I suppose cancer babies have also accomplished their life goals too?

Yeah. They have, actually. If their goal was to deepen the capacity for empathy and compassion, then yes. If they're goal was to open someone's heart to total unconditional love, and to generate in their loved ones gratitude for the short amount of time we have with each other on this planet, then yes. Understand, that this whole dialogue is predicated on the assumption that we still have life after we appear to "die," and that "death" is not the "end" for any soul.

Magic doesn't exist and there is no plan. Period.

NorthC said:

And what about all the people dying in Syria? I know, it's a nice comforting thought, it crossed my mind too. Somebody once told me the same thing: that every soul has a certain time on earth. But when you think about people dying in wars and terrorist attacks, it just doesn't hold up. [Edited 5/18/16 9:20am] [Edited 5/18/16 9:22am]

I disagree, I think it holds up MORE. Historical atrocities like the Holocaust can feel meaningless and devoid of any possible good outcome. But when seen in terms of eliciting a mass enlightenment, in which the human race, when brought face to face with genocide, recoils from the inhumanity of prejudice, towards a deep awareness that we are all One...then suffering and death do serve a purpose. And combined with a belief in reincarnation, we get a further idea of the temporary nature of suffering. The transient suffering of those 6,000,000 Jews was a selfess gift for the development of humanity from the animalistic, greedy, warring, tribal, ego-based creatures, to selfless, compassionate,all- inclusive beings of light. It's Buddhism 101. The next question is: How does it move you, or deepen your love for yourself and your fellow man, to witness suffering? That impact, and the change that is wrought because of the mass scale of suffering, is always the quickest way for humanity to break out of its spiritual lethary and make a quick, efficient leap forward in the development of higher spiritual ethics. This way of reframing human suffering as a temporary means to an end, is, of course, very suspect for many folks, because we don't typically have intellectual or visual access to the other side when we are here.

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fakir said:

Heidegger wrote : "As soon as a man is born,he is old enough to die" I guess it applies to all human race, sadly... We still have his music and i must say something close to his... "I guess he's better off than he was before,a whole lot better off than the fools he left here".

Wow.. I never thought I'd hear someone on the org quote philosophy. I'm impressed.

twinkieG said:

NouveauDance said:

I suppose cancer babies have also accomplished their life goals too?

Yeah. They have, actually. If their goal was to deepen the capacity for empathy and compassion, then yes. If they're goal was to open someone's heart to total unconditional love, and to generate in their loved ones gratitude for the short amount of time we have with each other on this planet, then yes. Understand, that this whole dialogue is predicated on the assumption that we still have life after we appear to "die," and that "death" is not the "end" for any soul.

Also, if their goal is to get someone to write utter nonsense on the internet. In which case, job done.

TheEnglishGent said:

twinkieG said:

Yeah. They have, actually. If their goal was to deepen the capacity for empathy and compassion, then yes. If they're goal was to open someone's heart to total unconditional love, and to generate in their loved ones gratitude for the short amount of time we have with each other on this planet, then yes. Understand, that this whole dialogue is predicated on the assumption that we still have life after we appear to "die," and that "death" is not the "end" for any soul.

Also, if their goal is to get someone to write utter nonsense on the internet. In which case, job done.

In all due respect, just because it makes no sense to you, doesn't mean it's senseless. I get what she's theorizing and it's something that's been purported by a lot of spiritualist types. Some believe that souls plan their life's path before their birth in conjuntion with others in their soul family or group. According to them, we all have a purpose and sometimes it can simply be to help another person or persons get closer to enlightenment. If a soul has fulfilled that purpose or realizes that they can't in this lifetime, whether it has been a year or a hundred years, they can choose to go home.

No, none of that can be proven and may not be true, but from a theoretical standpoint, it shouldn't be called nonsense. People's beliefs, especially if they arrived at them through careful research and consideration should be respected, just like a persons lack of belief should.

And I hope this didn't come across like I'm up on a high horse. There's not a hint of pretension in my what I've written.

twinkieG said:

NouveauDance said:

I suppose cancer babies have also accomplished their life goals too?

Yeah. They have, actually. If their goal was to deepen the capacity for empathy and compassion, then yes. If they're goal was to open someone's heart to total unconditional love, and to generate in their loved ones gratitude for the short amount of time we have with each other on this planet, then yes. Understand, that this whole dialogue is predicated on the assumption that we still have life after we appear to "die," and that "death" is not the "end" for any soul.

You are confusing "goal" with "purpose."

Just imagine that music up there now.....

mailaccount63 said:

Just imagine that music up there now.....

Maybe he's found the answer to all the April snow.....

I know that he has found another friend.....

he did...straightening his life out...living for others...

Any way you frame it, dude was looking mighty tired the last year.

twinkieG said:

I suppose this is a fairly audacious topic for a newbie org.er to start. But. I was thinking...You know. My spirituality is inclined towards the idea that we have a life purpose and one or a handful of intentions when we incarnate. And when we have basically done all we came here to do, we are essentially free to return to our spiritual home at any time. I have even read about "exit points" that are pre-built into our life plan. And if you aren't quite feeling like you did what you came to do, you can reject that exit point and wait for the next one. Maybe it truly, simply, was Prince's time to go home.

We don't have to like it, we don't have to want it to be that way. No one was psychologically prepared. It's a shocker. But c'mon! He arguably did everything on his to-do list, and mastered his mission.

Take the world by storm? Check. Do it MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY? Check. Become one of the greatest musicans of the 20th century, if not of all time? Aw shucks, ya got me. Check. Preach the message of love, friendship, and community? Check. Stick my neck out for causes and help countless people both through my powerful music, and also through altruism of many flavors, including finanical and mentoring? Check. Sticking it to The Suits on behalf of all artists everywhere in front of the entire planet, in graphic, assertive, cocky and creative ways? AWWW YEAH. Oh! Acting in movies, always wanted to do that. Did I do it? CHECK. Recording in every conceivable genre (jazz, rock, funk, pop, classical, techno, folk, torch, experimental, a capella...? Check check check. And finally, the final cherry on the cake: doing a show with only me and a piano? Total vulnerability, total transparency? Boom shakalaka.

I would say he pretty much left no stone unturned. In short, just because there were show dates on the docket, or the will wasn't completed, or there was a doctor heading to his house the next morning, doesn't mean he wasn't supposed to go, or that he had pressing business left. Maybe he slipped out just in time so that he didn't have to deal with all the medical stuff that was looming. Not worth it. Would have fucked up his flow. He sorta needed to scoot before shit got real on a physical level with the medical stuff, I think. Who wants to end on a low when you can go out on a high note? That's got Prince written all over it!

You saw the same psychic channelling video that I put up here - which I won't here, as the first time I put it up, as an addition to a thread with a different topic, the thread got locked, and the second time I put the link up the thread was wiped out completely.

But your mentioning "exit points" and other stuff is exactly what was said in this video ...which again Moderator: I WILL NOT PUT A LINK TO, SO NO WORRIES ABOUT THAT.

...Amazing.

Amazing that what is down to personal opinion, some feel should be censored entirely, as if people cannot think for themselves. ..or for that matter, as if the actual 'reading' even said anything particularly 'meaty' : it was all pretty much lovey-dovey blandness and "it'll all be right in the end" sort of stuff. That, you were free to take or leave, depending on whether you wanted to allow yourself a little gullibility/believability in things like psychic ability, mediums and the existence of an afterlife.

But hey, what do I know!!!??

Genesia said:

twinkieG said:

Yeah. They have, actually. If their goal was to deepen the capacity for empathy and compassion, then yes. If they're goal was to open someone's heart to total unconditional love, and to generate in their loved ones gratitude for the short amount of time we have with each other on this planet, then yes. Understand, that this whole dialogue is predicated on the assumption that we still have life after we appear to "die," and that "death" is not the "end" for any soul.

You are confusing "goal" with "purpose."

Not if a soul's intention is to effect others -and not just to live for it's own smaller self interests.

It is all the same -all about what a person perceives as being in their own best interests. Some will see giving to others as being good for the self -selfish in a sense (whilst it isn't of course); whilst others, without this level of empathy, of a broader perspective, will be focused on a smaller and -as we understand it- more "truly" self centred agenda.

There is no confusion between "goal" and "purpose" as you put it, then, unless you see the two as separate -unless you see yourself and your best interests as being separate and in opposition to the best interests of others. ...It all comes down to how big and wide one's perspective is, how evolved they are in their empathy.

EloiseEloise said:

Genesia said:

You are confusing "goal" with "purpose."

Not if a soul's intention is to effect others -and not just to live for it's own smaller self interests.

It is all the same -all about what a person perceives as being in their own best interests. Some will see giving to others as being good for the self -selfish in a sense (whilst it isn't of course); whilst others, without this level of empathy, of a broader perspective, will be focused on a smaller and -as we understand it- more "truly" self centred agenda.

There is no confusion between "goal" and "purpose" as you put it, then, unless you see the two as separate -unless you see yourself and your best interests as being separate and in opposition to the best interests of others. ...It all comes down to how big and wide one's perspective is, how evolved they are in their empathy.

...oh, wanted to add: don't mean to sound all smug and preachy -since I'm not particularly evolved in terms of my empathy.

Was just relaying what was basic info I learned/believe I have understood. (not the same as having put it into practice yet or of having realised it to any substantial degree.)

[Edited 5/19/16 5:00am]