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Reply #90 posted 05/19/16 8:22am

Se7en

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They're completely different artists who just happen to hit superstardom at the same time, and they're black. The media has tried to draw as many comparisons as possible.

You can't discount MJ's Motown youth, but I personally don't think adult MJ was as good as Prince.

Off The Wall - 1999

Thriller - Purple Rain

Bad - SOTT

Dangerous - Diamonds & Pearls

MJ's 4 biggest albums vs arguably Prince's 4 biggest albums. Now pepper in another album per year from Prince to fill in the gaps.

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Reply #91 posted 05/19/16 9:11am

DoItAllNight4U

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Se7en said:

They're completely different artists who just happen to hit superstardom at the same time, and they're black. The media has tried to draw as many comparisons as possible.

You can't discount MJ's Motown youth, but I personally don't think adult MJ was as good as Prince.

Off The Wall - 1999

Thriller - Purple Rain

Bad - SOTT

Dangerous - Diamonds & Pearls

MJ's 4 biggest albums vs arguably Prince's 4 biggest albums. Now pepper in another album per year from Prince to fill in the gaps.

I always wondered why Michael Jackson took so long to release albums.

Off The Wall in 78-79

Thriller in 82

Bad in 87

Dangerous in early 90's

HIStory in Mid 90's but it was a Greatest Hits so it probably doesn't count

Blood On The Dancefloor in Late 90's?

Invincible in 2001

What's up with that? If an artist did that now they'd lose their career/become irrelevant

"I was here in the beginning and I'll be here forever more"
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Reply #92 posted 05/19/16 9:57am

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DoItAllNight4U said:

I always wondered why Michael Jackson took so long to release albums.

Off The Wall in 78-79

Thriller in 82

Bad in 87

Dangerous in early 90's

HIStory in Mid 90's but it was a Greatest Hits so it probably doesn't count

Blood On The Dancefloor in Late 90's?

Invincible in 2001

What's up with that? If an artist did that now they'd lose their career/become irrelevant

I always wondered about that too, with MJ. However, I think he just took the time because he could. While he was very musical, and it flowed through him, I don't think he had the natural tether to music like Prince did. I think if MJ played more instruments (he did play, btw), then he'd have been making music more. We know he does have a lot of music in the vault, but those usually came from intense recording sessions, not a daily routine like Prince.

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I also have the theory that MJ gets wrapped up in his own world a lot, trying to occupy his time, and would rather do anything than record. He once said in an interview closer to the end of his life that he hated touring. That opinion changed from one before where he said he was most at ease and at home on stage; that he "could sleep on stage" and be happy. MJ had these long ass campaigns with an album, sometimes not touring until a year later, and the tour itself was a year long. So that's three years for an album. Prince puts something out, tours right after, takes about 3-4 months of downtime (ie: not releasing singles or touring, but still recording or hanging out) before he pops up with something new.

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I'd definitely count HIStory as an album, because it was a whole new CD of music coupled with the greatest hits disk. Disk One stands on its own. Disk Two was later released as a stand alone greatest hits. Blood On The Dance Floor was 1997. I remember, because I worked in a record store at the time. (Also the time of Biggie's death, etc.) I loved hearing "Morphine" blast through the speakers at the store. Did anyone note that the Flyte Tyme remix of "Scream" with Janet uses the same "Thank You" loop from Sly that "Rhythm Nation" does? That's begging for a mash up.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #93 posted 05/19/16 10:09am

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Definitely sick of it. If anything MJ should be compared to Elvis or Sinatra while Prince should be compared to James Brown & Jimi Hendrix.

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Reply #94 posted 05/19/16 10:25am

destinyc1

https://www.youtube.com/w...YMK7S8PTBQ BEST VIDEO OF MJ AND PRINCE'S HISTORY.cOULD YOU IMAGINE IF PRINCE AND LATOYA WOULD OF HOOKED UP.DAVID BOWIE IS NEAR THE END.LOVE HIM PT1

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Reply #95 posted 05/19/16 11:16am

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DoItAllNight4U said:

Se7en said:

They're completely different artists who just happen to hit superstardom at the same time, and they're black. The media has tried to draw as many comparisons as possible.

You can't discount MJ's Motown youth, but I personally don't think adult MJ was as good as Prince.

Off The Wall - 1999

Thriller - Purple Rain

Bad - SOTT

Dangerous - Diamonds & Pearls

MJ's 4 biggest albums vs arguably Prince's 4 biggest albums. Now pepper in another album per year from Prince to fill in the gaps.

I always wondered why Michael Jackson took so long to release albums.

Off The Wall in 78-79

Thriller in 82

Bad in 87

Dangerous in early 90's

HIStory in Mid 90's but it was a Greatest Hits so it probably doesn't count

Blood On The Dancefloor in Late 90's?

Invincible in 2001

What's up with that? If an artist did that now they'd lose their career/become irrelevant



I think with MJ, each album was "designed" to produce a certain amount of singles and longevity. Also, MJ didn't write all of his own stuff. The albums were crafted and each detail was pored over. I say this now as a bad thing. No spontaneity.

The long span between Thriller and Bad was probably not anticipated. Thriller blew up like nothing before (or since, really) and lasted for years. Then came the Victory album and tour, which Michael seemed to do a little half-heartedly. The hair/fire accident was also part of that Thriller-Bad gap.

With Prince, the music poured out of him and he seemed to be releasing albums as fas as he could (or as fast as WB would let him). With his side projects, he really put out like 2-3 albums per year for a very long time!

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Reply #96 posted 05/19/16 11:29am

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MJ actually kept pretty busy from his time as a Motown star until the late-2000's. Destiny, Off The Wall, Triumph, Thriller and Victory and Bad were all smashed together with relatively normal times between albums. MJ was also writing for and recording with other artists during this time.

There are quit a few comparisons that can be made between the two, but also a lot of differences. I think they're respective talents being so huge and dominating around the same eras is a big reason for the comparisons.
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Reply #97 posted 05/19/16 11:32am

destinyc1

https://www.youtube.com/w...i32YQrZ5Q0 hERE IS PT 2 DAMN PRINCE KILLED IT.NEVER KNEW HIM AND BIG CHICK ATTENDED MJ'S CONCERT.LOVE THAT WHITE OUTFIT HE WAS WEARING.

[Edited 5/19/16 11:59am]

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Reply #98 posted 05/19/16 11:38am

destinyc1

Superstition said:

MJ actually kept pretty busy from his time as a Motown star until the late-2000's. Destiny, Off The Wall, Triumph, Thriller and Victory and Bad were all smashed together with relatively normal times between albums. MJ was also writing for and recording with other artists during this time. There are quit a few comparisons that can be made between the two, but also a lot of differences. I think they're respective talents being so huge and dominating around the same eras is a big reason for the comparisons.

Watch part2 omg .The prob with the victory tour was that the damn songs were sung to damn fast.Saw them in king of pressia in philly.Mj was ready to go out on his own.He still lived at home and the brothers would of failed on their own.

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Reply #99 posted 05/19/16 11:44am

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Very sick of it. This has been going on for over 30 years.

Two different artists. Two different styles. Two different types of music.

Let two black icons be great.

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Reply #100 posted 05/19/16 12:11pm

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The comparisons have always confused me, prior & posthumously.

I think their "rivalry" was always hyped for sensationalism. It kept people talking, but in my opinion about the wrong things. Recently, the talk has turned to death comparisons,, people trying to draw conclusions to make a point that doesn't really need to be made at all. It is aggravating, but to be expected.

In terms of musical worth? Their work ethic was unique. Prince was singular, from the start he wanted control, writing, producing etc... all this goes without saying. MJ seemed to assemble teams (to fill in the blanks Prince seldom had). I would wager his work was a little more... contrived. & Prince was polished just as well don't get me wrong but I feel like it came to him more naturally... maybe he had more of a musical theory background? Say if the 2 of them were in a room & someone dared either of them to create something with several instruments on the spot, Prince would be up on that like a 1 man symphony. I also bet he only had to hear something once or twice before committing it to memory & say, arranging it on the piano (see: "Summertime" lovesexy era rehearsal.)

Then again, I don't know much about MJ & never really wanted to because Prince was teaching me everything about music I cared to know. Perhaps I was always drawn to Prince because of his constitution, I sensed he was on a spiritual quest, music being his compass of sorts. I think it was more than a livelihood to him, music was learning & life itself. It made him more aware, in tune with himself & the world around him. I'd like to think I'm not romanticising, based on how he spoke of the process with reverence. Zeal. Euphoria... & exasperation even, "Music is a blessing... & a curse." Hell, he even hated reducing it to business with "contracts"... if you were gonna create with Prince it would be a collaboration in the truest of senses, not a design prompted by a record company.

It was so deeply rooted it is harder for me to separate Prince from music, as it was with MJ.

If I could define it, I guess I'd say MJ was a performer. Prince was truly an artist. In my personal opinion Prince was way more prolific & powerful... but that doesn't dismiss or detract from MJ.
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Reply #101 posted 05/19/16 1:15pm

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Se7en said:



DoItAllNight4U said:




Se7en said:


They're completely different artists who just happen to hit superstardom at the same time, and they're black. The media has tried to draw as many comparisons as possible.

You can't discount MJ's Motown youth, but I personally don't think adult MJ was as good as Prince.

Off The Wall - 1999


Thriller - Purple Rain


Bad - SOTT


Dangerous - Diamonds & Pearls



MJ's 4 biggest albums vs arguably Prince's 4 biggest albums. Now pepper in another album per year from Prince to fill in the gaps.





I always wondered why Michael Jackson took so long to release albums.


Off The Wall in 78-79


Thriller in 82


Bad in 87


Dangerous in early 90's


HIStory in Mid 90's but it was a Greatest Hits so it probably doesn't count


Blood On The Dancefloor in Late 90's?


Invincible in 2001


What's up with that? If an artist did that now they'd lose their career/become irrelevant





I think with MJ, each album was "designed" to produce a certain amount of singles and longevity. Also, MJ didn't write all of his own stuff. The albums were crafted and each detail was pored over. I say this now as a bad thing. No spontaneity.

The long span between Thriller and Bad was probably not anticipated. Thriller blew up like nothing before (or since, really) and lasted for years. Then came the Victory album and tour, which Michael seemed to do a little half-heartedly. The hair/fire accident was also part of that Thriller-Bad gap.

With Prince, the music poured out of him and he seemed to be releasing albums as fas as he could (or as fast as WB would let him). With his side projects, he really put out like 2-3 albums per year for a very long time!



MJ wasn't too concerned with being prolific. He'd work on material for years then compile the songs (ones he wrote and some others brought to him) then they'd be pared down the ones that fit the album direction
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Reply #102 posted 05/19/16 5:57pm

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hmmm Not really. Both created an era in Pop that was better than anything since.

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