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Reply #150 posted 05/17/16 2:29am

Eileen

Linn4days said:

Prince was not a vegan...Nor is his friend Erykah Badu...He eats eggs.. He probably feared B-vitamin deficiency, and continued to eat eggs. (So, over-eating eggs puts a lot fo cholesterol in your blodd vessels...Eh...)


That whole egg/cholesterol/blood vessels thing has been pretty well debunked, from what I understand. It's more often now seen as bad advice that helped spark the substantial rise in diabetes.

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Reply #151 posted 05/17/16 3:23am

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FunkiestOne said:

Very interesting and this guy doesn't have a big reason to lie now.


If not out of loyalty, how about for his own protection? Can you imagine the heat he'd get if he admitted that he knew about a possible addiction and did absolutely nothing to help? You think he'd want to be labelled as an enabler?

I'm not saying the guy is right or wrong, all I'm saying is IF there was an addiction and IF he knew about it, he has PLENTY of reason to lie about it. Saying he knew nothing about an addiction is what anybody in his position would do to cover their ass.


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Reply #152 posted 05/17/16 4:48am

missfee

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SexFiendNikki said:

"I packed this man's bag on the daily. I have been on tour with him for months. So if anybody had an addiction that would be something you would see. That would be something that you would know,"

With all the so-called friends or acquaintances leaking information to the tabloids about Prince's alleged drug addiction, I am so glad that he still has people in his corner speaking positively about him.

Exactly.

I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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Reply #153 posted 05/17/16 4:59am

8675309

Pokeno4Money said:

FunkiestOne said:

Very interesting and this guy doesn't have a big reason to lie now.


If not out of loyalty, how about for his own protection? Can you imagine the heat he'd get if he admitted that he knew about a possible addiction and did absolutely nothing to help? You think he'd want to be labelled as an enabler?

I'm not saying the guy is right or wrong, all I'm saying is IF there was an addiction and IF he knew about it, he has PLENTY of reason to lie about it. Saying he knew nothing about an addiction is what anybody in his position would do to cover their ass.


That's a good point. However, it seems more likely that had he seen things he would simply not answer questions or say "no comment".

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Reply #154 posted 05/17/16 5:10am

gigilamorosa

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cardinal said:


from the rww website, fyi OUR PHILOSOPHY Recovery Without Walls is a personalized outpatient clinic, specializing in innovative, evidence-based medical treatment for chronic pain and drug and alcohol addiction. Our caring and compassionate team of medical professionals works together to resolve problems that other clinicians have found difficult, if not impossible to solve. We integrate advanced pharmacology, exceptional psychotherapy, nutritional support, and the best of the integrative healing methods, when appropriate, to address an individual’s specific needs. Recovery Without Walls has been nationally recognized for its research in advanced pharmacology for chronic pain management, including its use of Buprenorphine, also known as Suboxone® or Subutex. By carefully studying the successes of Buprenorphine in Europe, Recovery Without Walls has stayed years ahead of other pain practitioners. If you feel that our approach might be right for you or a loved one, please contact us for a confidential initial consultation.


They sound like professionals.



Too bad they didn't seem to know that the laws and regulations regarding Suboxone are strict and that carrying it across state lines is against the law.



I think they do know the laws about Suboxone, but saw it as a "life saving mission," i.e. they may be breaking laws but it's justified. Very few in Minnesota have the proper licensing to distribute Suboxone.
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Reply #155 posted 05/17/16 5:35am

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Thing is we don't know so we can assume anything at this point that we want too. Health, the Flu, anything. I mean a few years back there was a keyoard player for a band from the late 80's "Saraya" that died from the flu and he was mid 40's. Also alot of what I am hearing sounds a lot like Glenn Frey's death. Especially the Flu, Glenn had gone in and out of hospitals and was dealing with a lot of health issues and his rheumatoid athritis which he battled for years. We just don't know, Prince could have had this also and just been taking pain medication to deal with it because he did not want to go other routes with it, developed a bad flu and sickness and died, that is very similar to Glenn. The point is we just do not know, and as many doctors interviewed NOT connected with this case have said, if it was something very simple and natural like a heart attack, theyd know that Friday what it was, and even if it was an OD, they would have known awhile ago. The fact that it's been this long is that they are searching for more in his system possibly.


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Reply #156 posted 05/17/16 5:54am

keenly

Eileen said:

Linn4days said:

Prince was not a vegan...Nor is his friend Erykah Badu...He eats eggs.. He probably feared B-vitamin deficiency, and continued to eat eggs. (So, over-eating eggs puts a lot fo cholesterol in your blodd vessels...Eh...)


That whole egg/cholesterol/blood vessels thing has been pretty well debunked, from what I understand. It's more often now seen as bad advice that helped spark the substantial rise in diabetes.

Eggs are great for us, as is cholesterol.

Anyone recommending low fat diets is an ignoramus.

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Reply #157 posted 05/17/16 5:56am

keenly

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But people have B12 shots all the time, as a kind of energy booster. Doesn't have to be to treat an underlying condition.

Indeed. As long as you use an active form there are no issues with toxicity.

B12 is wonderful and everyone should take it. Big Pharma is threatened by it.

I use MEGA doses for neuropathy. It helps with every symptom.

Vegans DO have issues with low B12 BTW.

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Reply #158 posted 05/17/16 8:02am

Trickology

SoulAlive said:

I was thinking the same thing.Plus,several of Prince's friends have already confirmed that he had chronic pain (hip problems) and was taking painkillers to deal with it.This bodyguard seems like an honest guy,but perhaps there are things that he doesn't know regarding Prince's use of painkillers.

Trickology said:

He doesn't have a reason to lie, but Prince could've been hiding his personal habits and over time figured out a way so none of his inner circle could be able to detect his issue.

[Edited 5/16/16 14:10pm]

One thing that I noticed, the sunglasses were constant almost. His reasoning was, "Ive been in the studio all night" His weight fluctuation was serious at times.

There is just a lot of stuff not adding up.

Another thing I found curious was that Prince allegedly visited Mancow (a popular shock dj) and mentioned how he liked his work and Alex Jones. (Mancow could've lied) but to say Prince visited you and your studio and was interested in coming forward. It sort of veers into Prince's interests. Mancow treated Prince horribly after he passed, some of these dj's are sociopaths.

And if you really want to go eek think about all the conspiracies that Prince was mentioning on Tavis,his JFK mention in other interviews, if he was listening to Alex Jones, it would explain why he didn't go to the doctors regularly. He might think the illuminati was going to kill him. A LLOOOT of celebrities who are "Eccentric" listen to Alex Jones on the dl.

Many listeners who are into Alex Jones are on drugs & that make you ultra-paranoid if you continue listening to this toxic neverending conspiracy theory theater. If Prince was listening to Info Wars (which is pretty goddamn crazy to think about) and this was his regular morning routine to check out youtube clips of Alex Jones? That drove Charlie Sheen to his breaking point, I believe. Imagine Prince listening in Private to Info Wars. He wouldn't tell anyone, Alex has a habit of being more than a kook, a fraud and a heavy eek

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Reply #159 posted 05/17/16 8:05am

Trickology

djThunderfunk said:

Trickology said:

He doesn't have a reason to lie, but Prince could've been hiding his personal habits and over time figured out a way so none of his inner circle could be able to detect his issue. I tell you, it didn't surprise me when the rumors came out that prince was on various substances. Usually when a high profile scolds you for doing drugs in a particular forceful tone, its because that person is suffering as well. Its easier to preach from the pulpit rather than looking in the mirror.

No, I don't think Prince was clean at all, I wouldnt be surprised if he was on speed to keep up with his productivity or something of that nature.

I've heard the painkiller rumors for years, it isn't adding up that he was living a clean lifestyle.

I think people were fooling themselves in the past year or so that Prince was healthy. Whatever it was, (I doubt very much that someone that deep in religious cult philosophies) it wasn't just a "Vegan lifestyle" It doesn't take anything away from his genius or legacy, but it does point to a obvious point: Maybe certain drugs are needed to keep going at the pace these artists are living life at.


There is no way Prince could have an ongoing substance abuse problem and this man not be aware of it.

If you are leveling with different substances, it isn't hard to imagine with Prince's intelligence & his desire to keep going. This shit happens all the time to people who want to constantly operate on "higher level" as you age.

Who is going to watch after him, Thunderfunk? You got a whole camp of yes men & a few sycophants lurking in the building as well. That shit is toxic.

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Reply #160 posted 05/17/16 8:10am

Trickology

Genesia said:

morningsong said:

I remembered about Prince getting B shots and looked it up. There is a genetic deficiency that has nothing to do with being a vegan or vegetarian also.


It also can be a matter of normal aging. I have never, in my entire life, been a vegetarian - and my B12 levels were low enough at my physical last year that I had to take sublingual methylated B12 for months to get it up where it should be. My doctor told me that even if you get enough B12 in your diet, you might not absorb adequate amounts of it in the ileum. And if Prince was a vegetarian for a long time, he might not have gotten enough B12 in his diet or had the co-factors necessary for assimilation.

The B 12 thing is likely due to performing on stage at optimal level. This was a regular thing for entertainers like James Brown. It is likely why James was able to scoot across the stage still in his fifties/sixties. It never gets easier to perform on that level.

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Reply #161 posted 05/17/16 8:19am

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He has been doing pills since 2000. We have to face it.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #162 posted 05/17/16 8:20am

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He also paid you off asshat.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #163 posted 05/17/16 8:21am

novabrkr

ludwig said:

farnorth said:

He mentions B12 injections; B12 deficiency (a problem for vegans) is related to low red blood cell count, which was reported by KSTP.

But he wasn't a vegan anymore for a very lont time period.


The problems generated by a B12 deficiency never go away entirely if they are severe enough. Not saying Prince had a deficiency of that kind, but I'm just stating it as someone with personal experience on it. Taking B-vitamins can also lead to all kinds of nasty side effects, like respiratory problems.

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Reply #164 posted 05/17/16 8:21am

Mintchip

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missfee said:

SexFiendNikki said:

With all the so-called friends or acquaintances leaking information to the tabloids about Prince's alleged drug addiction, I am so glad that he still has people in his corner speaking positively about him.

Exactly.

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No. It's this moral equation - that to speak of drug addiction = negative, and to deny it = positive, that's the problem. It's shame and denial of addiction that keeps addicts from getting the help they need. In Prince's case, that could have been to wait a few hours - while the nation's leading opiod specialist raced to be at his side - before using.

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Morally, if Prince went out due of addiction or heart disease, it's the same: a disease got the best of him.

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Reply #165 posted 05/17/16 8:24am

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Sharon Osbourne said there are non addictive ways to deal with pain. Too bad.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #166 posted 05/17/16 8:30am

Ingela

2freaky4church1 said:

Sharon Osbourne said there are non addictive ways to deal with pain. Too bad.



Yeah it's easy to spout this kind of stuff, but jeez, really. Smh

No one wants to feel bad and no one wants to become an addict, let's not be simpletons here. Way more complicated than that. When people suffer, physically or emotionally, we try to make ourselves feel better. No judgement from me here.
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Reply #167 posted 05/17/16 8:34am

avajane

lastdecember said:

Thing is we don't know so we can assume anything at this point that we want too. Health, the Flu, anything. I mean a few years back there was a keyoard player for a band from the late 80's "Saraya" that died from the flu and he was mid 40's. Also alot of what I am hearing sounds a lot like Glenn Frey's death. Especially the Flu, Glenn had gone in and out of hospitals and was dealing with a lot of health issues and his rheumatoid athritis which he battled for years. We just don't know, Prince could have had this also and just been taking pain medication to deal with it because he did not want to go other routes with it, developed a bad flu and sickness and died, that is very similar to Glenn. The point is we just do not know, and as many doctors interviewed NOT connected with this case have said, if it was something very simple and natural like a heart attack, theyd know that Friday what it was, and even if it was an OD, they would have known awhile ago. The fact that it's been this long is that they are searching for more in his system possibly.


Perhaps he kept the pain to himself. But what I found odd is how come he visited Kirk J.'s docotor? Didn't Prince have his own doctor? If he didn't, then how come?
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Reply #168 posted 05/17/16 8:45am

luvsexy4all

lastdecember said:

Thing is we don't know so we can assume anything at this point that we want too. Health, the Flu, anything. I mean a few years back there was a keyoard player for a band from the late 80's "Saraya" that died from the flu and he was mid 40's. Also alot of what I am hearing sounds a lot like Glenn Frey's death. Especially the Flu, Glenn had gone in and out of hospitals and was dealing with a lot of health issues and his rheumatoid athritis which he battled for years. We just don't know, Prince could have had this also and just been taking pain medication to deal with it because he did not want to go other routes with it, developed a bad flu and sickness and died, that is very similar to Glenn. The point is we just do not know, and as many doctors interviewed NOT connected with this case have said, if it was something very simple and natural like a heart attack, theyd know that Friday what it was, and even if it was an OD, they would have known awhile ago. The fact that it's been this long is that they are searching for more in his system possibly.

great band by the way....SARAYA

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Reply #169 posted 05/17/16 8:49am

lastdecember

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lastdecember said:

Thing is we don't know so we can assume anything at this point that we want too. Health, the Flu, anything. I mean a few years back there was a keyoard player for a band from the late 80's "Saraya" that died from the flu and he was mid 40's. Also alot of what I am hearing sounds a lot like Glenn Frey's death. Especially the Flu, Glenn had gone in and out of hospitals and was dealing with a lot of health issues and his rheumatoid athritis which he battled for years. We just don't know, Prince could have had this also and just been taking pain medication to deal with it because he did not want to go other routes with it, developed a bad flu and sickness and died, that is very similar to Glenn. The point is we just do not know, and as many doctors interviewed NOT connected with this case have said, if it was something very simple and natural like a heart attack, theyd know that Friday what it was, and even if it was an OD, they would have known awhile ago. The fact that it's been this long is that they are searching for more in his system possibly.

Perhaps he kept the pain to himself. But what I found odd is how come he visited Kirk J.'s docotor? Didn't Prince have his own doctor? If he didn't, then how come?

I am little troubled by what I have read about Kirk recently, I had really lost track of him and didn't realize how close he still was and possibly the closest. Kirk is also a fitness instructor too and that is troubling because he possibly could have been the one getting things prescribed if he "knew" doctors like that. Anyway its all just again, thoughts we still do not know, but at some point IF Prince was addicted or asking for this medication excessively and cut off, he might have had someone getting it for him, I really HOPE it does not turn out like that where Kirk was getting it for him through his own doctor saying it was for him, mainly because that then turns into a murder trial, and that would be beyond sadder than it is now.


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Reply #170 posted 05/17/16 8:49am

paulludvig

Mintchip said:



missfee said:




SexFiendNikki said:



With all the so-called friends or acquaintances leaking information to the tabloids about Prince's alleged drug addiction, I am so glad that he still has people in his corner speaking positively about him.




Exactly.



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No. It's this moral equation - that to speak of drug addiction = negative, and to deny it = positive, that's the problem. It's shame and denial of addiction that keeps addicts from getting the help they need. In Prince's case, that could have been to wait a few hours - while the nation's leading opiod specialist raced to be at his side - before using.


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Morally, if Prince went out due of addiction or heart disease, it's the same: a disease got the best of him.



It's not the same morally.
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Reply #171 posted 05/17/16 8:50am

paulludvig

2freaky4church1 said:

Sharon Osbourne said there are non addictive ways to deal with pain. Too bad.



Like what?
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Reply #172 posted 05/17/16 8:57am

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His bodyguard could easily be right... or at least think he's right.

Prince could have just been taking the painkillers when he came off stage, if he was hurting, or at night to help him sleep.

Totally normal use... except maybe he took too much recently. Or, tried to stop and realised he was getting withdrawl symptoms.

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Reply #173 posted 05/17/16 9:38am

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Perhaps he kept the pain to himself. But what I found odd is how come he visited Kirk J.'s docotor? Didn't Prince have his own doctor? If he didn't, then how come?[/quote]

Not sure I believe the drs story. Who knows maybe the dr was really there to see Kirk? A lot of this story does not add up. I do think the body guard is telling the truth.
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Reply #174 posted 05/17/16 9:46am

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Don't care what anyone says. The only ones that knew what was going on is Prince and his doctors.

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Waiting for the autopsy results.

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Why? Well, let's say your Mom died. Suddenly there were all of these rumors about drug use -- but for sure you knew your Mom and she wasn't a drug addict. But how could you know for sure?

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All of these stupid hypotheticals mean nothing. The autopsy results will lead the investigation where it needs to go. Until then, folks around here continue to speculate and give energy to rumors.

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Would you do the same with your own mother? I'm guessing not. You'd show some respect and wait for the autopsy results.

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Reply #175 posted 05/17/16 9:50am

tmo1965

ERINAMONDO said:

I don't know how long lived him being a vegan was as I can't find many references supporting a vegan lifestyle. For at least this year, he was just a vegetarian. But yes, coupled with the "dangerously low red blood cell count," makes me wonder if there was an underlying condition.

I've heard Prince say several times that he eats eggs, so he was not a vegan. During one interview (I think it was with Arsenio Hall) he said that the only thing he could cook was omlettes and that all his friends have high cholestrol.

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Reply #176 posted 05/17/16 9:53am

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Bodyguard is telling the truth about the side of Prince that he knows, but I have no doubt that an addiction to pain killers was present or that another underlying condition was present. The doctors son had Suboxone and that drug is given in detox folks cuz I've given it myself.
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Reply #177 posted 05/17/16 9:56am

luvsexy4all

look at west hollywood aftershow footage from 2011 ..and tell me he had hip problems...

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Reply #178 posted 05/17/16 10:19am

missfee

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suomynona said:

Don't care what anyone says. The only ones that knew what was going on is Prince and his doctors.

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Waiting for the autopsy results.

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Why? Well, let's say your Mom died. Suddenly there were all of these rumors about drug use -- but for sure you knew your Mom and she wasn't a drug addict. But how could you know for sure?

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All of these stupid hypotheticals mean nothing. The autopsy results will lead the investigation where it needs to go. Until then, folks around here continue to speculate and give energy to rumors.

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Would you do the same with your own mother? I'm guessing not. You'd show some respect and wait for the autopsy results.

clapping Thank you for saying this!!!

I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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Reply #179 posted 05/17/16 10:24am

lwr001

missfee said:

suomynona said:

Don't care what anyone says. The only ones that knew what was going on is Prince and his doctors.

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Waiting for the autopsy results.

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Why? Well, let's say your Mom died. Suddenly there were all of these rumors about drug use -- but for sure you knew your Mom and she wasn't a drug addict. But how could you know for sure?

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All of these stupid hypotheticals mean nothing. The autopsy results will lead the investigation where it needs to go. Until then, folks around here continue to speculate and give energy to rumors.

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Would you do the same with your own mother? I'm guessing not. You'd show some respect and wait for the autopsy results.

clapping Thank you for saying this!!!

well, if my mama was on a planbe 4 days earlier that had to be fuckign diverted then me and my mama woudl have had a talk,,if mama died 4 days later then ,,,,,

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