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lwr001 said:
McD said:
MMJas said:
Does an unresponsive passenger necessarily mean an OD'd passenger? I'm sorry, I might be lost in the semantics here...
It doesn't, but the overdose narrative has been an exact match for everything that happened subsequently.
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If he really did just collapse due to flu... then TMZ got awfully lucky in that he just happened to also be addicted to the thing that he didn't collapse of, start taking it again, go get some more, call in the opioid addiction specialists, then drop dead just as they arrived. Then the DEA suddenly become worried about a flu epidemic and send in the cavalry in unmarked cars but they left their protective facemasks at home, the dohnuts!
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I'm gonna go with the TMZ narrative.
Harvey Levin is an attorney, He called BS on the FLU narrative for the landing the day it happened ...Jsut so happens Prince dies q4 days latter.. --- That is the problem Harry is a scum bag lawyer not a doctor and while he paid some asshole in Moline to give him the information it does not mean that Opaids killed him. P may have been abusing those pills because he was in some gut wrenching pain from some other ailment. We already know he got no meds from the his Minn doctor and they did not find any scripts for pain meds from the Walgreens but two other Rxs that were not identified. He had some other medical issues and I think scum bag tabloids are going to look like morons for ripping someone with a possible terminal illness. |
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from the rww website, fyi OUR PHILOSOPHY Recovery Without Walls is a personalized outpatient clinic, specializing in innovative, evidence-based medical treatment for chronic pain and drug and alcohol addiction. Our caring and compassionate team of medical professionals works together to resolve problems that other clinicians have found difficult, if not impossible to solve. We integrate advanced pharmacology, exceptional psychotherapy, nutritional support, and the best of the integrative healing methods, when appropriate, to address an individual’s specific needs. Recovery Without Walls has been nationally recognized for its research in advanced pharmacology for chronic pain management, including its use of Buprenorphine, also known as Suboxone® or Subutex. By carefully studying the successes of Buprenorphine in Europe, Recovery Without Walls has stayed years ahead of other pain practitioners. If you feel that our approach might be right for you or a loved one, please contact us for a confidential initial consultation.
Listen,, I will not think of him any less no matter..However, to prestend he is different or specail then any of the other millions of humans who fall victim to addicigton is silly..He could play , piano et al, with that said, no in in the hostory of mankind hasd been able to ., as far as i know, contimue to use narcotics safely for an extended perios of time withput consequences..It makes him normal and human...
When we hear the narrative of "yes men" in his life, you can tell there in shortage as you have them on here as well.,,,As if we are fucking stupidf and have no benefit of liveing life and all that that entails..
You say, its nothing for the DEA to psst up like they going to catch El Chapo at PP as if nothing wa there ot there wanst good probable cause that narcoitiics played a roll |
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What a free-for-all speculation festival.
My advice:
- don't be surprised it Prince had become addicted to pain medication;
- don't judge him, you don't know the pain he was in;
- don't blame his associates, no one could ever tell Prince what to do;
- and if he did it all because not making music was worse than death, so he at least died doing what he loved.
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ThirdStrike said:
OnlyNDaUsa said:
could be he was having one of the uncommon but serious side effects and needed help for his transition off the controlled use of one medication to fight pain to some other means of pain management.
It could. But again, are we to ignore the reports of the doctor to which the camp reached out to in order to set up treatment? It's established FACT that the doctors son was there when P was discovered. That's undisputed truth. We also know his father is a "national authority on opiod addiction treatment". Dots aren't that far from connecting themselves here...
He would still need the same help making the transition.
I just looked at some of the known issues they talk about seizures-- prince was known to have been epileptic until the age of 7. Issues with heart rate and BP. As well as other dangerous interactions with other things.
So it looks like it may well be an abusive use of pain pills it could also be a normal amount that caused the side effects.
But if insisting he must have been abusing them makes you feel good or something cool.
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Aerogram said:
What a free-for-all speculation festival.
My advice:
- don't be surprised it Prince had become addicted to pain medication; I won't
- don't judge him, you don't know the pain he was in; No intention to.
- don't blame his associates, no one could ever tell Prince what to do; Yeah, coming to grips with that one
- and if he did it all because not making music was worse than death, so he at least died doing what he loved. I'm not finding that comforting at all, makes me want to smack him on the back of his head and tell him to snap out it. Yeah, I know too late, but still...
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Aerogram said:
What a free-for-all speculation festival.
My advice:
- don't be surprised it Prince had become addicted to pain medication;
- don't judge him, you don't know the pain he was in;
- don't blame his associates, no one could ever tell Prince what to do;
- and if he did it all because not making music was worse than death, so he at least died doing what he loved.
Well Said! It is not a competition to see who guesses the closest to the truth. My brother died by OD on Percocet after a long abusive addiction and lots of doctor shopping... so i am a little more sensitive than some...but I still strive to keep it all in prospective. I can wait for the results and I know the results my never be made public. I am ready for any finding on the cause.
also remember: addiction is not the same as dependence and neither is the same as abuse.
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ThirdStrike said:
paulludvig said:
ThirdStrike said:
Then why Narcan on the plane? That's a treatment specifically designed to treat opiod overdoses.
Look, it's not at all suprising P could have hid any addictions he may have had from everybody...including a bodyguard. The emergency landing is key here. People are ignoring that in order to help support whatever outlandish consipracy theory they are trying to push. Sometimes a fire is just a fire. Doesn't always mean the fire was set by the Illuminati or Warner Bros. hired Ninjas...
Sometimes people collaps if they push themself to hard. He had been ill for weeks and had just finished performing to intense shows.
Would you then administer NARCAN for a simple collapse? Again, it's specifically designed to treat OPIOD OVERDOSE... If they don't know why someone is unresponsive they give the narcan as precaution. And overdosing is really easy to do even if you're not abusing it. I would even go so far as to say people who don't abuse it may be prone of overdosing simply because they don't take it often. People I think are confusing dangerous consumption of pills, like Prince was shoving handfuls of pills in his mouth like the damn Cookie Monster, with an accident. Fact is just one more pill than your body can handle can get you. That is an overdose. Just ONE too many. It didn't have to be a whole bottle.
It's So So So easy to ACCIDENTLY take to much of this stuff. KNOW THIS it could save your life. [Edited 5/16/16 16:12pm]Surprise, surprise.
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ThirdStrike said:
cardinal said:
McD said:
Yeah, but surely calling in the opioid addiction specialists doesnt qualify as 'better safe than sorry'.
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In the incredibly unlikely event he wasn't addicted to opioids, someone close to him believes he was and has been telling that to the media, the medics and the authorities. And, so far, they all seem to believe it.
there have been suggestions that prince wanted to get off pain meds and transition to other methods of pain relief, which is also something this clinic in CA specialized in(its on their front web page). addiction is one of their specialties..,chronic pain mngmt is the other. so while there may have been a desire on princes part to reduce/change meds, that does not have to mean addiction was the issue. maybe it was the pain.
That's entirely possible. Maybe even probable. But then, would we be saying P died from the pain alone? You have to look at the entirety of the situation here. While again what you say is logical alone, pieced together there are far too many gaps. Doesn't make sense big picture. I believe more logical answer is P was in fact suffering from chronic, debilitating pain. In dealing with this pain, he took overprescribed pain meds to cope. After that show on the plane, he took too many and had to be revived. A few days later, he did the same. Only problem was, there was no one to revive him at that point. Most tragic thing though is, there is a Narcan spray that could have been prescribed in order to mitigate the risk of succumbing to an OD. Why wasn't that an option? i have heard that narcan can be given for home use. but does it need someone to give it? if so, then it would not have helped prince. dr drew uses the term "medical misadventure" to describe the tragedy of overprescription/overuse of pain meds when actual pain is the underlying issue. perhaps that is what happened, as opposed to an addiction which is just feeding itself (a legit, but very different medical problem). either way,it does not change my opinion of him as a musical treasure and decent guy. i trust that sheriff to give us the truth. "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... |
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farnorth said:
He mentions B12 injections; B12 deficiency (a problem for vegans) is related to low red blood cell count, which was reported by KSTP.
But he wasn't a vegan anymore for a very lont time period. |
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MMJas said:
This is the bodyguard that allegedly carried him to the ambulance when the plance incident happened.
No. That was Kirk Johnson. |
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ThirdStrike said:
paulludvig said:
ThirdStrike said:
Would you then administer NARCAN for a simple collapse? Again, it's specifically designed to treat OPIOD OVERDOSE...
I don't think it's uncommon to administer Narcan as a precautian if you don't know why the person has collapsed.
What...seriously? Just so I'm clear, you are saying it would be common for an EMT to as a first resort adminster a drug specifically designed to treat an opiod OD even if they weren't sure they were in fact suffering from an OD? Just want to make sure I'm understanding that correctly... YES if they carry narcan they ABSOLUTELY do give it if the reason is unclear. Surprise, surprise.
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cardinal said:
ThirdStrike said:
That's entirely possible. Maybe even probable. But then, would we be saying P died from the pain alone? You have to look at the entirety of the situation here. While again what you say is logical alone, pieced together there are far too many gaps. Doesn't make sense big picture. I believe more logical answer is P was in fact suffering from chronic, debilitating pain. In dealing with this pain, he took overprescribed pain meds to cope. After that show on the plane, he took too many and had to be revived. A few days later, he did the same. Only problem was, there was no one to revive him at that point. Most tragic thing though is, there is a Narcan spray that could have been prescribed in order to mitigate the risk of succumbing to an OD. Why wasn't that an option?
i have heard that narcan can be given for home use. but does it need someone to give it? if so, then it would not have helped prince. dr drew uses the term "medical misadventure" to describe the tragedy of overprescription/overuse of pain meds when actual pain is the underlying issue. perhaps that is what happened, as opposed to an addiction which is just feeding itself (a legit, but very different medical problem). either way,it does not change my opinion of him as a musical treasure and decent guy. i trust that sheriff to give us the truth.
www.narcannasalspray.com
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lwr001 said:
cardinal said:
from the rww website, fyi OUR PHILOSOPHY Recovery Without Walls is a personalized outpatient clinic, specializing in innovative, evidence-based medical treatment for chronic pain and drug and alcohol addiction. Our caring and compassionate team of medical professionals works together to resolve problems that other clinicians have found difficult, if not impossible to solve. We integrate advanced pharmacology, exceptional psychotherapy, nutritional support, and the best of the integrative healing methods, when appropriate, to address an individual’s specific needs. Recovery Without Walls has been nationally recognized for its research in advanced pharmacology for chronic pain management, including its use of Buprenorphine, also known as Suboxone® or Subutex. By carefully studying the successes of Buprenorphine in Europe, Recovery Without Walls has stayed years ahead of other pain practitioners. If you feel that our approach might be right for you or a loved one, please contact us for a confidential initial consultation.
Listen,, I will not think of him any less no matter..However, to prestend he is different or specail then any of the other millions of humans who fall victim to addicigton is silly..He could play , piano et al, with that said, no in in the hostory of mankind hasd been able to ., as far as i know, contimue to use narcotics safely for an extended perios of time withput consequences..It makes him normal and human... When we hear the narrative of "yes men" in his life, you can tell there in shortage as you have them on here as well.,,,As if we are fucking stupidf and have no benefit of liveing life and all that that entails.. You say, its nothing for the DEA to psst up like they going to catch El Chapo at PP as if nothing wa there ot there wanst good probable cause that narcoitiics played a roll no malady, including addiction, will change my opinion of him, no matter what it turns out to be. the scary thing is that many people die from prescription opioids even when taking them as directed. it doesn't even have to be "too much." the prescribed amount, especially if combined with other meds, can kill. very scary. "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... |
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RiotPaisley said:
ThirdStrike said:
What...seriously? Just so I'm clear, you are saying it would be common for an EMT to as a first resort adminster a drug specifically designed to treat an opiod OD even if they weren't sure they were in fact suffering from an OD? Just want to make sure I'm understanding that correctly...
YES if they carry narcan they ABSOLUTELY do give it if the reason is unclear.
To your point, I just confirmed with a Nurse friend of mine that you are, in fact, correct. It can be administered as a first resort to an unresponsive person. Again, you are correct. |
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ThirdStrike said:
cardinal said:
ThirdStrike said: i have heard that narcan can be given for home use. but does it need someone to give it? if so, then it would not have helped prince. dr drew uses the term "medical misadventure" to describe the tragedy of overprescription/overuse of pain meds when actual pain is the underlying issue. perhaps that is what happened, as opposed to an addiction which is just feeding itself (a legit, but very different medical problem). either way,it does not change my opinion of him as a musical treasure and decent guy. i trust that sheriff to give us the truth.
www.narcannasalspray.com
Oh, and btw...the use of this spray could have absoluteley saved his life. Wondering why this wasn't an option at least if he was, in fact, at risk of OD'ing? |
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cardinal said:
i have heard that narcan can be given for home use. but does it need someone to give it? if so, then it would not have helped prince. dr drew uses the term "medical misadventure" to describe the tragedy of overprescription/overuse of pain meds when actual pain is the underlying issue. perhaps that is what happened, as opposed to an addiction which is just feeding itself (a legit, but very different medical problem). either way,it does not change my opinion of him as a musical treasure and decent guy. i trust that sheriff to give us the truth.
I am almost sure you can not have in in your home in MN. I believe that at press conference they mentioned that it was something the MN legislators had been considering but have not yet passed. That it had been just a few years since first responders were allowed to carry it. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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cardinal said:
lwr001 said:
Listen,, I will not think of him any less no matter..However, to prestend he is different or specail then any of the other millions of humans who fall victim to addicigton is silly..He could play , piano et al, with that said, no in in the hostory of mankind hasd been able to ., as far as i know, contimue to use narcotics safely for an extended perios of time withput consequences..It makes him normal and human...
When we hear the narrative of "yes men" in his life, you can tell there in shortage as you have them on here as well.,,,As if we are fucking stupidf and have no benefit of liveing life and all that that entails..
You say, its nothing for the DEA to psst up like they going to catch El Chapo at PP as if nothing wa there ot there wanst good probable cause that narcoitiics played a roll
no malady, including addiction, will change my opinion of him, no matter what it turns out to be. the scary thing is that many people die from prescription opioids even when taking them as directed. it doesn't even have to be "too much." the prescribed amount, especially if combined with other meds, can kill. very scary.
my point is that it happens,,,Why the DEA, ,cuz if it can happen to a guy with the resources, who lived by all acounts, a healthy life, and it killed him, then USA , we have a problem...No one will stand a chance |
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ThirdStrike said:
ThirdStrike said:
cardinal said:
ThirdStrike said: i have heard that narcan can be given for home use. but does it need someone to give it? if so, then it would not have helped prince. dr drew uses the term "medical misadventure" to describe the tragedy of overprescription/overuse of pain meds when actual pain is the underlying issue. perhaps that is what happened, as opposed to an addiction which is just feeding itself (a legit, but very different medical problem). either way,it does not change my opinion of him as a musical treasure and decent guy. i trust that sheriff to give us the truth.
www.narcannasalspray.com
Oh, and btw...the use of this spray could have absoluteley saved his life. Wondering why this wasn't an option at least if he was, in fact, at risk of OD'ing? for all we know, there could have been a spray at pp and prince was in the elevator trying to get it because he was feeling woozy. the sheriff is clearly not going to tell us anything until the entire picture is clear. my big question is...if this was the issue, why the hell was he alone? yes, prince was stubborn, blah blah. but if od was a real possibility, he should have had someone there at pp. "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... |
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The evidence suggests that the so called addiction was a recent event vs a long term one.
Points of suggestion here:
1. The statements from Prince's personal chef about changes in diet.
2. The knowledge about hip replacement/non replacement.
3. The information about him being sick. He did have the flu or a bad cold as reported by the Atlanta promoter.
4. The emergency plane landing.
5. The appearance at PP Saturday night.
6. The life saving intervention (which smells fishy to me).
7. Info from friends saying that he wasn't abusing.
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You know what sucks? Prince, a musician who has changed my life, died. I don't really care how it happened or what he did. Prince is dead and my family can't ever see him perform again.
[Edited 5/16/16 16:15pm]
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OnlyNDaUsa said:
Aerogram said:
What a free-for-all speculation festival.
My advice:
- don't be surprised it Prince had become addicted to pain medication;
- don't judge him, you don't know the pain he was in;
- don't blame his associates, no one could ever tell Prince what to do;
- and if he did it all because not making music was worse than death, so he at least died doing what he loved.
Well Said! It is not a competition to see who guesses the closest to the truth. My brother died by OD on Percocet after a long abusive addiction and lots of doctor shopping... so i am a little more sensitive than some...but I still strive to keep it all in prospective. I can wait for the results and I know the results my never be made public. I am ready for any finding on the cause.
also remember: addiction is not the same as dependence and neither is the same as abuse.
Thank you.
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If there was no addiction what was the grave medical emergency that required him to go into drug rehab and why were percocettes found on him ?
People don't just go into a rehab program that requires Suboxone for no reason .
JMO |
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ThirdStrike said:
ThirdStrike said:
www.narcannasalspray.com
Oh, and btw...the use of this spray could have absoluteley saved his life. Wondering why this wasn't an option at least if he was, in fact, at risk of OD'ing?
Ok, keep responding to myself. Sign of being crazy. Never-the-less, I have to correct myself again. This nasal spray must be administered by someone other then the patient. So in this case, if he was by himself wouldn't have helped unfortunately. |
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lwr001 said:
cardinal said:
lwr001 said: no malady, including addiction, will change my opinion of him, no matter what it turns out to be. the scary thing is that many people die from prescription opioids even when taking them as directed. it doesn't even have to be "too much." the prescribed amount, especially if combined with other meds, can kill. very scary.
my point is that it happens,,,Why the DEA, ,cuz if it can happen to a guy with the resources, who lived by all acounts, a healthy life, and it killed him, then USA , we have a problem...No one will stand a chance
The DEA is looking at doctors who could have prescribed these medications and if internet sites/communications were made to drug mules.
One interesting TMZ report is getting zero mention here.
http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/11/prince-addiction-aliases-percocet-drugs/
That report says that the DEA monitors over precribing of drugs but so far nothing has come up.
They say that he could have started overusing these drugs in the days prior to his death.
They know what happened to him but as of now they are holding infomation but leaking everything to TMZ.
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OnlyNDaUsa said:
cardinal said:
i have heard that narcan can be given for home use. but does it need someone to give it? if so, then it would not have helped prince. dr drew uses the term "medical misadventure" to describe the tragedy of overprescription/overuse of pain meds when actual pain is the underlying issue. perhaps that is what happened, as opposed to an addiction which is just feeding itself (a legit, but very different medical problem). either way,it does not change my opinion of him as a musical treasure and decent guy. i trust that sheriff to give us the truth.
I am almost sure you can not have in in your home in MN. I believe that at press conference they mentioned that it was something the MN legislators had been considering but have not yet passed. That it had been just a few years since first responders were allowed to carry it. The danger of narcan is it has become a false safety net. Someone has to administer it. Parents of kids addicted are running out and Buying it without addressing the issues causing your need to have it in the first place. So how guilty do you get to feel when your daughter goes to her room at midnight while you're asleep and gives herself a lethal dose- there's no crawling to the spray once you already feel woozy, someone else must administer... Now you had the spray but didn't sit on your kids lap 24/7 and having that safety net just allowed your kid to think, oh if I fall out my moms got that spray. But you gotta sleep sometimes. Federal law just made it legal for HIGH SCHOOLS to have narcan on campus. That should show how massive this problem is. Surprise, surprise.
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Worse part was his dying alone.
Worse then any part of it I can imagine. My biggest fear personally. On business trips, it's hard for me to go to sleep in the hotel room because I'm there alone. My neighbor who was young and lived alone passed in his sleep last year from heart failure. Thought of him (or anyone) at the point of death not being able to ask for help is absolutely tragic and horrifying... |
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We all die alone in a sense, even if you're surrounded by others. |
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I know everyone is tired of the rampant speculation. We just need to remember that all of this is beyond frustrating. Mostly because we are all having to wait for the autopsy results and time in this instance appears to move at a snails pace because we all want answers for this terrible tragedy. I also know there are people that say this is none of our business and I see their viewpoint, however we were all heavily invested in this man's life because his music touched us all on a very deep level. He was family and we all need closure. Speculation aside, we all just need to grieve in our own way. [Edited 5/16/16 16:43pm] |
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Deleted my comment.....it's already been answered. [Edited 5/16/16 17:09pm] Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end  |
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