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There's also the theory that Prince was having trouble sleeping and may have accidently mixed sleep medication with the Percocet which is apparently a deadly combination. |
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That's my point. DEA would have absolutely no part in a non drug related investigation. I mean, the word "drug" is right in the name. It'[s the first letter... | |
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Would you then administer NARCAN for a simple collapse? Again, it's specifically designed to treat OPIOD OVERDOSE... I don't think it's uncommon to administer Narcan as a precautian if you don't know why the person has collapsed. The wooh is on the one! | |
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You'd be absolutely correct if there was no Narcan shot administered. If that wasn't part of the treatment, then collapse from exhaustion...illness...etc would be very logical. But that's not what happened. If you are being operated on by a BRAIN SURGEON, then the most likely conclusion you can make is that they are working on your brain, right? Just common sense... | |
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Why would anyone be disappointed about any way that the man died? | |
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What...seriously? Just so I'm clear, you are saying it would be common for an EMT to as a first resort adminster a drug specifically designed to treat an opiod OD even if they weren't sure they were in fact suffering from an OD? Just want to make sure I'm understanding that correctly... | |
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It doesn't, but the overdose narrative has been an exact match for everything that happened subsequently. . If he really did just collapse due to flu... then TMZ got awfully lucky in that he just happened to also be addicted to the thing that he didn't collapse of, start taking it again, go get some more, call in the opioid addiction specialists, then drop dead just as they arrived. Then the DEA suddenly become worried about a flu epidemic and send in the cavalry in unmarked cars but they left their protective facemasks at home, the dohnuts! . I'm gonna go with the TMZ narrative.
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What...seriously? Just so I'm clear, you are saying it would be common for an EMT to as a first resort adminster a drug specifically designed to treat an opiod OD even if they weren't sure they were in fact suffering from an OD? Just want to make sure I'm understanding that correctly... Yes,I think so. A shot of Narcan isn't dangerous. Waiting to long could be. The wooh is on the one! | |
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I understand what you are saying, but I'm going by the fact that I read somewhere that Narcan is sometimes administered when someone is unresponsive whether its drug related or not. I might be wrong, of course, and if they only give it to opiate related ODs, then yes, you are right. If they did actually give him Narcan. Was that confirmed anywhere? There's just so much going on that I don't even remember if it was anymore. | |
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You have two half siblings that made statements about Prince having an addiction in the past. How they "knew" that is anyone's guess given he didn't seem to be close to them. But if they stated that to the police and specifically stated he used straw buyers to get them then the police have an obligation to investigate and rule it out if its false or persue the lead until they get something if its true. I said don't read to much into their presence because they have to investigate before they rule anything out. You can't rule out a lead unless you've done your leg work. In these things you can't read too much into anything until you 1) have more verified info leaks or 2) until the investigation is done. I don't see any of #1 and #2 has happened yet. Change it one more time.. | |
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What...seriously? Just so I'm clear, you are saying it would be common for an EMT to as a first resort adminster a drug specifically designed to treat an opiod OD even if they weren't sure they were in fact suffering from an OD? Just want to make sure I'm understanding that correctly... actually, yes. dr drew said that when emts get an unresponsive patient, nearly 100%of the time they administer narcan just in case. the exceptions would be if the person has a well documented medical issue that would cause blackouts (diabetes for example) and there was someone there to verify that. but narcan is safe even when there are no opioids in the system so is often given "better safe than sorry" "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... | |
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I do know how big, i also served in the military and have many a friend who are DEA...They dont do that type of search and orcommit those type of resources unless there is fire... | |
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If doctors are told by Prince's people that he took a percocet, then narcan is a natural failsafe in case it is actually an OD, you don't wait for a toxicology report to administer it. Change it one more time.. | |
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I am referring to the reason he was unresponsive it could have been related to pain pills but not a over dose. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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Agreed. Anything discussed here is pure speculation. I'll concede that much... | |
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ivey0126 said: Unfotunately, I feel like this is going to boil down to how healthy he was at the (which does not seem to be like he was very healthy at all). I know most people will probably not want to hear this but I genuinely believe he died from complications of flu complied with an already deteriorated immune system. The flu is no joke and if you push yourself as hard as he did then it can kill you as it has done to millions before. SOunds mundane but I think this is what happened. I'm not sure what to believe anymore but yes it's definitely possible. When my brother was 16 one of his fit young otherwise healthy team mates dropped dead during a soccer game trying to play with flu. Physical exertion and flu definitely don't mix well. As for the pill stuff... Honestly it frustrates me that some people keep trying to find the most sensational angle when there are absolutely no facts either way at this point. The specialist doctor who has confirmed that he was called was also a pain specialist, not just an opioid specialist. I think it is very likely he was in pain - going back over old videos, photos, etc you can see the change in his performances from running round dancing jumping etc then to moving around a bit but no dancing and then with the piano to sitting... Around 2014 some of the photos from tour you can see a change in his face and his eyes that at the time was attributed by commenters to tiredness but could equally be pain. Comments by people who saw him regularly have also suggested that he had been unwell for some time, so perhaps he had another underlying condition. However - even if he was in pain and/or taking pain meds or even addicted to them, that does not mean that is what killed him. It could have been flu, he also did a lot of flying so it could have been something as mundane as a blood clot. Until the results are made public, we're all just grasping at straws, basically. | |
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Yeah, but surely calling in the opioid addiction specialists doesnt qualify as 'better safe than sorry'. . In the incredibly unlikely event he wasn't addicted to opioids, someone close to him believes he was and has been telling that to the media, the medics and the authorities. And, so far, they all seem to believe it. | |
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Harvey Levin is an attorney, He called BS on the FLU narrative for the landing the day it happened ...Jsut so happens Prince dies q4 days latter..
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I remember when I saw a rider for one of Prince's tours and I saw the B12 requirement, then someone who I was friend's with at the time said that a lot of performers who travel and a lot on tour have them in their riders with MD's to give it. Just a vitamin to keep your healthy. That was before musicalogy biut it was also in that tour rider. Beautiful, Loved and Blessed
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Again so I'm clear. Are you saying there is a difference between taking "pain pills" to the point of being unresponsive and that NOT being an OD? Again, just want to be clear in vetting my response... | |
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This ^ | |
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If there's smoke you mean. Only an investigation can tell you whether there's fire or not. [Edited 5/16/16 15:31pm] Change it one more time.. | |
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could be he was having one of the uncommon but serious side effects and needed help for his transition off the controlled use of one medication to fight pain to some other means of pain management. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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It all adds up. Sucks to say, but it does. At this point, I think it's just a matter of for how long he's been addicted. Anybody who knows anything about addiction is that the addict is EXPERT in disguising his addiction...even from those closest to them. Doesn't suprise me at all if people close say with exact belief that P wasn't an addict. Because, they truly believe that as fact because they've never seen it, nor have seen any evidence of it. That's common... | |
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Yeah, but surely calling in the opioid addiction specialists doesnt qualify as 'better safe than sorry'. . In the incredibly unlikely event he wasn't addicted to opioids, someone close to him believes he was and has been telling that to the media, the medics and the authorities. And, so far, they all seem to believe it. there have been suggestions that prince wanted to get off pain meds and transition to other methods of pain relief, which is also something this clinic in CA specialized in(its on their front web page). addiction is one of their specialties..,chronic pain mngmt is the other. so while there may have been a desire on princes part to reduce/change meds, that does not have to mean addiction was the issue. maybe it was the pain. "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... | |
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It could. But again, are we to ignore the reports of the doctor to which the camp reached out to in order to set up treatment? It's established FACT that the doctors son was there when P was discovered. That's undisputed truth. We also know his father is a "national authority on opiod addiction treatment". Dots aren't that far from connecting themselves here... | |
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Looks like we have a case of he said, she said, some other he said, then they said, etc.. ¡The Future Is Ours, If You Can Count! https://www.youtube.com/w...A_zTY0qWWk | |
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That's entirely possible. Maybe even probable. But then, would we be saying P died from the pain alone? You have to look at the entirety of the situation here. While again what you say is logical alone, pieced together there are far too many gaps. Doesn't make sense big picture. I believe more logical answer is P was in fact suffering from chronic, debilitating pain. In dealing with this pain, he took overprescribed pain meds to cope. After that show on the plane, he took too many and had to be revived. A few days later, he did the same. Only problem was, there was no one to revive him at that point. Most tragic thing though is, there is a Narcan spray that could have been prescribed in order to mitigate the risk of succumbing to an OD. Why wasn't that an option? | |
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