FUNKNROLL said:

cardinal said:

i did read somewhere that in the few moments he wasn't making music, he liked classic films. and egr and bela were part of the old school character actors.

maybe we are all just tired and sad and trying to make sense of the incomprehensible

Agreed. EGR played classic Hollywood gangster roles. WB used to have Bugs Bunny imitate him with that classic line "Myeah, see!".

I can imagine Prince digging EGR... and BB!

WB films, cartoons.

Prince seemed like he had a a very Midwest 70s upbringing.

RIP.




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manci said:

manci said:

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That comes from people posting in the org, but I've seen it referenced in some of the articles, too. The closest I can find right now is this: "It seemed, when he started a story about his father teaching him how to play the piano, that the show might include other such personal exposures from the famously private musician. But aside from noting, “Sometimes I forget how emotional these songs can be,” after he briefly hustled offstage following “A Case of U” and its glass-shattering notes, Prince knitted a string songs together sans commentary."

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From: http://music.blog.ajc.com...atre-show/

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Here's another:

"At one point during the earlier show, Prince became overwhelmed with emotion, and briefly retreated to the wings.

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“He played a song and left the stage, and we thought the concert was over so we started chanting for more,” said Celeste Headlee, a public radio show host in Atlanta. Prince returned, telling the audience, “sometimes you forget how emotional this music is.”
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From: http://variety.com/2016/m...201758537/

thanks for these! wow something going on

beachy said:

manci said:

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Here's another:

"At one point during the earlier show, Prince became overwhelmed with emotion, and briefly retreated to the wings.

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“He played a song and left the stage, and we thought the concert was over so we started chanting for more,” said Celeste Headlee, a public radio show host in Atlanta. Prince returned, telling the audience, “sometimes you forget how emotional this music is.”
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From: http://variety.com/2016/m...201758537/

thanks for these! wow something going on

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Sure thing! I totally feel you on needing links. I try not to post anything that isn't an actual fact. I'd say this is the most I stretched in those 18 reasons, but you can see why I think he cried. It's STRONGLY inferred. Even if he wasn't crying, he left the stage and came back discussing how emotional it was.

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Yeah, something weird. To imagine he was staring death down and still continuing to live and perform...it's inspiring.

cardinal said:

cardinal said:

icequeen78 said:

On April 16th at his party he said “I have to leave it in the case or I’ll be tempted to play it,” he said about his new guitar. “I can’t play the guitar at all these days so I can keep my mind on this [the solo piano] and get better.” He just wanted to focus on the piano for now because of the tour theme. Prince played Chopsticks on the piano. The last song he played in public.

Prince let people at the party listen to 30 minutes of his live concert from one of his two Atlanta, Georgia concerts at the Fox Theater on April 14th over the Paisley Park sound system on April 16th. Prince planned to release it as a live Piano & A Microphone album of one of the two Atlanta, Georgia concerts on his Piano and a Microphone tour in the near future.

On April 16th Prince was riding his bike outside Paisley Park studios and had the party at Paisley Park studios that night. I believe Prince's "Wait a few days before you waste any prayers" words at his party at Paisley Park studios on April 16th was intended to mean that he's fine and people didn't need to waste any prayers worrying about him. He showed his brand new purple-colored Yamaha piano and a new matching purple guitar that was hand-made for him in Europe. The point of the party was to try and prove to the public that "he's alive and well" because many worried that he was in poor health after the reports that he was rushed to the hospital in Moline, Illinois on April 15th "with the flu", so he was trying to send a message to the public like "look, I'm fine, don't worry, I'm not sick and dying, don't waste any prayers worrying about me". Prince didn't want people to see him weak and to know he was having problems and that it wasn't dehydration or flu, he wasn't the kind of guy that would open up to the public about things like that.

On April 15th Prince was rushed to the hospital in Moline, Illinois and the emergency records show that the pilot radioed that an unresponsive passenger was on board. Prince was carried off the plane by his bodyguard Kirk Johnson, the records said. Emergency medical personnel treated him with Narcan, which is typically administered to treat opioid overdoses, according to a law enforcement official briefed on the case.

I believe Prince's "Just when u thought u were safe" Instagram message meant that just when people thought he was in poor health, he's alive and he was coming back with a vengeance. I believe the message was removed by either Prince's Paisley Park Studios Estate Manager Kirk Johnson or personal assistant Meron Bekure with access to Prince's Instagram account after he died because people were misinterpreting his message after he died as something eerie and morbid and a conspiracy as if Prince wrote "Just when I thought I was safe...the evil illuminati Warner Brothers black magik ninjas r trying 2 get me" etc.

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rudeboynpg said:

On April 16th at his party he said “I have to leave it in the case or I’ll be tempted to play it,” he said about his new guitar. “I can’t play the guitar at all these days so I can keep my mind on this [the solo piano] and get better.” He just wanted to focus on the piano for now because of the tour theme. Prince played Chopsticks on the piano. The last song he played in public.

Prince let people at the party listen to 30 minutes of his live concert from one of his two Atlanta, Georgia concerts at the Fox Theater on April 14th over the Paisley Park sound system on April 16th. Prince planned to release it as a live Piano & A Microphone album of one of the two Atlanta, Georgia concerts on his Piano and a Microphone tour in the near future.

On April 16th Prince was riding his bike outside Paisley Park studios and had the party at Paisley Park studios that night. I believe Prince's "Wait a few days before you waste any prayers" words at his party at Paisley Park studios on April 16th was intended to mean that he's fine and people didn't need to waste any prayers worrying about him. He showed his brand new purple-colored Yamaha piano and a new matching purple guitar that was hand-made for him in Europe. The point of the party was to try and prove to the public that "he's alive and well" because many worried that he was in poor health after the reports that he was rushed to the hospital in Moline, Illinois on April 15th "with the flu", so he was trying to send a message to the public like "look, I'm fine, don't worry, I'm not sick and dying, don't waste any prayers worrying about me". Prince didn't want people to see him weak and to know he was having problems and that it wasn't dehydration or flu, he wasn't the kind of guy what would open up to the public about things like that.

On April 15th Prince was rushed to the hospital in Moline, Illinois and the emergency records show that the pilot radioed that an unresponsive passenger was on board. Prince was carried off the plane by his bodyguard Kirk Johnson, the records said. Emergency medical personnel treated him with Narcan, which is typically administered to treat opioid overdoses, according to a law enforcement official briefed on the case.

I believe Prince's "Just when u thought u were safe" Instagram message meant that just when people thought he was in poor health, he's alive and he was coming back with a vengeance. I believe the message was removed by either Prince's Paisley Park Studios Estate Manager Kirk Johnson or personal assistant Meron Bekure with access to Prince's Instagram account after he died because people were misinterpreting his message after he died as something eerie and morbid and a conspiracy as if Prince wrote "Just when I thought I was safe...the evil illuminati Warner Brothers black magik ninjas r trying 2 get me" etc.

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^^This!!! Thank you!

gerardv said:

The 'he knew' idea really hinges on whether he had a serious terminal illness or not. The blind item posted before he died that seemed to reference him throws some weight to the idea.

beachy said:

Superfan1984 said:

manci said:

FUNKNROLL said:

manci said: If you listen to a recording of the last P&M show, you'll hear Prince say something about the song causing "EGR funk face". EGR had a characteristic look... squinting his eyes with pursed lips. I believe Prince was into the old black and white films, remember UTCM and the scene about Bela Legosi face? That's as deep as it goes for me.

Yeah, I've heard he was into classics. You could be 100% correct, and that's all it is, but there are a myriad of things that line up that seem to point to him knowing he wasn't long for this world.

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Again, could all be coincidences...I'm not saying I KNOW, but from having gone through the process with people, these things are all striking. I know I'm going to leave some things out, and you don't need to counter each thing with a reason why it's NOT indicative of death, because I'm already aware that there are counters that make perfect sense. Here's my reasoning, and this is all within the last two years:

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1) Reaching out to old friends and family, many of which he hadn't spoken to in years.

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2) Asking both The Time and The Family to appear at Paisley Park.

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3) His rapid aging in the last 18 months.

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4) The dramatic weight loss in the last year.

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5) The song, "Way Back Home."

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6) Saying, "I don't need a Doctor," at the Atlanta shows.

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7) Altering or avoiding certain lyrics.

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8) The memoirs.

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9) Pretty much dying on Friday only to continue to outright LIVE in a very public way, throwing a party, riding his bike, going to a wreka stow, going to a jazz club.

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10) Writing "I am #transformed," after either dying or being one step away from death.

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11) The "phases" avatars that eventually progressed to him putting on shades, to covering both eyes, to the third eye glasses, to the removal with the earthly eyes closed and his third eye open on, what, the day of his death, right?
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12) Posting a link with a picture of a guy who died of bladder cancer.

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13) Confirmed stories of him having lucid dreams talking with dead people.

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14) Crying during the ATL shows. This is a rare occurence, if it's ever happened before.

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15) Embarking on a tour that allowed him to sit the entire time. Something he's never done before.

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16) Embarking on a tour that allowed him to PLAN shows well ahead of time, but not ANNOUNCE them until just prior to the performances. This allowed a ton of flexibility in that no ticket refunds would be due in case of last minute postponement.

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17) The instagram posts that formed a O-+> shape that were finished right on the day of his death.

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That's 17, which is a good Princely number to stop at.

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Again, I don't need someone telling me, for example, that #4 wasn't true and that it was just lighting or that he's always been thin. Yes, he's always been thin, but never has he looked frail until recently. And then you can counter, "Well, I didn't think he looked frail," and that's cool. My point is that I ALREADY UNDERSTAND all of these can be coutnered by fair arguments. I am not interested in hashing them out back and forth.
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The bottom line is that this is my theory and it's either right or wrong, and we will all know soon enough, I'm sure, whether it's off the mark.

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I have a #19 to add (onto a previous poster's #18 about him leaving his Piano and a Microphone concert coming back to say how emotional the songs were)...

This interview with Damaris:-

https://www.youtube.com/w...BQg9_nnZOk#mce_temp_url#

...note how she responds when asked about Prince's health - after fumbling a bit, she rather firmly states how his inner circle need to respect his privacy right now.

...Telling on its own. So they knew SOMETHING.

She also then says ... "I CAN tell you that he had the flu.." ...Sounds like a bit of the truth, but not a big part of it.

She also states something like 'People need to understand that he did what he wanted to towards the end... *sorry not a direct word for word quote -see the video for this.

And gives the example of Prince telling her to take a selfi of them together, which was very unusual.

Sounded to me like a man who did know that his health was declining.

As for the need for the privacy... not sure. Bowie was open about having cancer.

The thing that I cannot get out of my mind is how did the family know he wanted to be cremated so soon? He must have told them this as they acted on it pretty swiftly and those Purple Boxes handed out the next day were like in all cartons ready to go? It kind of stuck me as odd as soon as I saw that on the news footage being handed out at PP?

For what it's worth: I have had the suspicion that Prince was dying since February. My first thought when I got the news was Oh no, I was right.

It was actually my dad who suggested it. I saw his February piano shows in Sydney and was blown away by the intimacy of them; it didn't seem like the Prince I knew. I was telling Dad about it, how confused I was by whatever had brought on this latest change of heart, how he was dancing and socialising with fans in Melbourne, grieving Vanity really openly with his audience, which didn't seem like him either... Dad said: "You think he's dying?" It made a lot of sense to me, especially with the clarity of a non-fan perspective.

Nobody knows anything at this point. I wouldn't rule out that he knew something was coming, maybe not so soon but that it was on its way. It's true as well, as someone else said, that somebody so spiritually connected to life may have "known" without consciously knowing.

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MrSquiggle said:

For what it's worth: I have had the suspicion that Prince was dying since February. My first thought when I got the news was Oh no, I was right.

It was actually my dad who suggested it. I saw his February piano shows in Sydney and was blown away by the intimacy of them; it didn't seem like the Prince I knew. I was telling Dad about it, how confused I was by whatever had brought on this latest change of heart, how he was dancing and socialising with fans in Melbourne, grieving Vanity really openly with his audience, which didn't seem like him either... Dad said: "You think he's dying?" It made a lot of sense to me, especially with the clarity of a non-fan perspective.

Nobody knows anything at this point. I wouldn't rule out that he knew something was coming, maybe not so soon but that it was on its way. It's true as well, as someone else said, that somebody so spiritually connected to life may have "known" without consciously knowing.

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Wow... he socialized with fans in Melbourne...

I am wondering if that was at one of the special $700 ticket events. Bet it was. I got that email and just in time -but I simply could not afford it.

If I had known what was coming, I would have found a way to afford it.

EloiseEloise said:

MrSquiggle said:

For what it's worth: I have had the suspicion that Prince was dying since February. My first thought when I got the news was Oh no, I was right.

It was actually my dad who suggested it. I saw his February piano shows in Sydney and was blown away by the intimacy of them; it didn't seem like the Prince I knew. I was telling Dad about it, how confused I was by whatever had brought on this latest change of heart, how he was dancing and socialising with fans in Melbourne, grieving Vanity really openly with his audience, which didn't seem like him either... Dad said: "You think he's dying?" It made a lot of sense to me, especially with the clarity of a non-fan perspective.

Nobody knows anything at this point. I wouldn't rule out that he knew something was coming, maybe not so soon but that it was on its way. It's true as well, as someone else said, that somebody so spiritually connected to life may have "known" without consciously knowing.

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Wow... he socialized with fans in Melbourne...

I am wondering if that was at one of the special $700 ticket events. Bet it was. I got that email and just in time -but I simply could not afford it.

If I had known what was coming, I would have found a way to afford it.

No, it was the afterparty at Aria Bar Docklands. The DJ played all this rare soul music and Prince really got into it. Danced and chatted with everyone, all the fans. Apparently one of his minders made a comment to the DJ along the lines of "He never, ever does this." I was used to plot twists with Prince as we all were but usually they made him more distant, not less-- this one really seemed weird to me at the time. There's a good writeup about it here: http://themusic.com.au/ne...fterparty/

MrSquiggle said:

EloiseEloise said:

Wow... he socialized with fans in Melbourne...

I am wondering if that was at one of the special $700 ticket events. Bet it was. I got that email and just in time -but I simply could not afford it.

If I had known what was coming, I would have found a way to afford it.

No, it was the afterparty at Aria Bar Docklands. The DJ played all this rare soul music and Prince really got into it. Danced and chatted with everyone, all the fans. Apparently one of his minders made a comment to the DJ along the lines of "He never, ever does this." I was used to plot twists with Prince as we all were but usually they made him more distant, not less-- this one really seemed weird to me at the time. There's a good writeup about it here: http://themusic.com.au/ne...fterparty/

Thanks.

I thought he kept "Thanking" his doctor at the Atlanta show?

This is suspicious to me, because that night he overdosed on the plane.

Why was a doctor at his show?

maybe the lucid dreams were coming from the Opiods.

This paragraph also puzzles me. Who dropped him off?

"Prince seemed to lead a mundane life from there, stopping by a show at the Dakota Jazz Club in Minneapolis on Tuesday, April 19. The next day, police said, someone dropped him off at his compound at about 8 p.m. He was found dead the next morning, setting off the sweeping investigation"

source: http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=1

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gollygirl said:

The thing that I cannot get out of my mind is how did the family know he wanted to be cremated so soon? He must have told them this as they acted on it pretty swiftly and those Purple Boxes handed out the next day were like in all cartons ready to go? It kind of stuck me as odd as soon as I saw that on the news footage being handed out at PP?

The 2009 media circus of Michael Jackson's death and very public memorial service likely got Prince talking at the time to then girlfriend/muse protegee Bria Valente and bodyguard/personal trainer Kirk Johnson about wanting to just be cremated and have a small private funeral if he were to die, not anything like Michael Jackson's extravagant gody $25,000 golden platted casket and Michael Jackson's costume designers Dennis Tompkins and Michael Bush designing a $35,000 costume for Michael Jackson's corpse to wear for his funeral in a lavish ceremony that cost at least $1 million and then buried in the Hollywood Hills. I know Prince watched CNN and Prince must have made it clear that he wouldn't want anything like that.

And about those Purple Boxes handed out as gifts that were obviously ready to go, those were just some of the left over 2003 Prince merchandise called the Prince in Hawaii Gift Box from Prince's 2001-2006 NPG Music Club website official store that hadn't sold.

Judith Hill was handing out one of the boxes, that guy in the sunglasses and white shirt is Kirk Johnson whom was Prince's bodyguard, driver, Paisley Park Studios Estate Manager, and the other guy is Van Jones whom was Prince's lawyer that helped Prince regain ownership of his masters from Warner and helped Prince organize his charity work.

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MrSquiggle said:

For what it's worth: I have had the suspicion that Prince was dying since February. My first thought when I got the news was Oh no, I was right.

It was actually my dad who suggested it. I saw his February piano shows in Sydney and was blown away by the intimacy of them; it didn't seem like the Prince I knew. I was telling Dad about it, how confused I was by whatever had brought on this latest change of heart, how he was dancing and socialising with fans in Melbourne, grieving Vanity really openly with his audience, which didn't seem like him either... Dad said: "You think he's dying?" It made a lot of sense to me, especially with the clarity of a non-fan perspective.

Nobody knows anything at this point. I wouldn't rule out that he knew something was coming, maybe not so soon but that it was on its way. It's true as well, as someone else said, that somebody so spiritually connected to life may have "known" without consciously knowing.

[Edited 5/19/16 5:01am]

I was there that night too, and I thought something may have been different too, but put it down to the style of show. Of course I ws blown away too and then when I heard about the plane thing, I was scared but in denial - and I am still in denial coz I dont want to believe it.....

gollygirl said: