manci said:

well, edward g robinson was known to be politically outspoken and was quite philanthropic. he was a talented and versatile actor. he died from bladder cancer. as to why prince pointed us to him, i have no idea.

any theories? what dots are we supposed to be seeing here? i have an idea but would rather not go there at this time.

cardinal said:

His picture appeared along with a link to Him performing "Black Sweat" on 4/14, right?

manci said:

i don't remember the date, but it was recent. are you suggesting that the plane landing and his death were from a similar malady?

sorry, my brain ain't working too great for the past three weeks. not able to deal with complex cognitive tasks, and no i am not kiddin

also, didn't egr star in soylent green?

cardinal said:

I'm on my phone, so can't type what I really want. I'll try to get back later with the long version. But, I think he had bladder cancer. I also think he OD'd from pain management.

Yes, Edward was in Soylant Green. I can't think of a reason why he'd connect Edward with Black Sweat, other than it fitting into all of the other things he did in the last couple years that points to a cancer diagnosis. But I'm open to other interpretations, for sure.

manci said:

I'll also add that my first wife died from cancer, and when the end became inevitable, she went off treatment and literally stared death defiantly in the face and lived actively until the day she died.

I think P knew time was short, especially after Friday, and just decided to go and LIVE until he fell over, rather than lay in bed feeling sorry for himself.

manci said:

i could not figure out why egr was on his twitter feed, but now, the case you make, it makes sense...and prince's comment to caption it....egr said "where is your messiah now, moses?" in TTC and perhaps, if prince was ill, he was thinking about God. and the idea that he would say "fuck death" in his own way makes sense, too. not to mention him changing the words at that final concert about going to the dr and the dr said "PRINCE you got to have fun now" or something. and the comment about saving prayers,.....damn...if he knew he did not have much time....

i wish all this didn't fit. i wish we would find out soon so we don't keep torturing ourselves.

sorry to hear about your first wife. cancer sux.

According to this article in the New York Times Prince seemed depressed, to his friends, since January when Bowie died and especially after Vanity died in February. And they said he may have had concerns about his career being stagnant.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/arts/music/friends-sought-help-for-princes-addiction-lawyer-says.html?_r=0
in the New York Times May 4th article, they cite Jeremiah Freed as relating that Prince told him in January he was having lucid dreams of communicating with the dead. Same guy also said at the PP last gathering that Prince looked bad.

I'm not saying he knew he was dying, because we don't have that info, but the notion he was happy and excited these last few months is hard to believe. I'm sure he knows how to project positivity to the public though after all he is a celebrity and he has been doing PR for 40 years or more.

manci said:

He's well known.
Dots? Sounds like you have some ideas.

Care to simply speak your mind?


Everybody, really, if you're going to share in this forum please stop alluding to the things in your heads and speak freely. I think the "guess what I'm thinking" games on here are driving a lot of the drama and incivility.

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FUNKNROLL said:

i am also having difficulty since my brain aint working right since prince's death. the question you refer to, check a few posts up...the poster did elaborate on their thoughts as to what may have been happening ....maybe three or four comments upthread in the edward g robinson discussion

i think we are all still grieving and weary and are trying to understand this tragedy.

peace,

The reported events don't seem to add up for sure. Why would they wait a week to call in some doctors son if he OD'd on the plane? Why are his friends often saying they know the reason for his death but can't say? People talk about his 'hip pain' as if it is a euphemism for something esle. I remember being concerned when people started discussing his hip pain and being very relieved when I saw him bouncing around in an unnecessarily spritely manner. I have family taking oxy for pain and two family members that have had hip problems and there are just actions that they would both avoid that he wouldn't hesitate to do. It seemed strange - but Prince never did like telling his tale upfront so I was just glad his hips seemed OK and hoped there wasn'tt anything seriously wrong with him.

When you go down this line of thinking, other things strike you too. When I heard that he was listening to controvery (single version) the line "some people wanna die so they can be free" just screamed at me. I then read he had replied about his health "Perfect. Save your prayers. Controversy" and it just sent shivers down my spine. It makes me wonder what Mani was referring to with Charlie Sheen too.

I try to think that Prince believed in the afterlife and wanted to celebrate going to God. Whatever happened, he was torn from this earth way too soon but he would not have thought about it the same as me, to him he would have been going back home.

manci said:

If you listen to a recording of the last P&M show, you'll hear Prince say something about the song causing "EGR funk face". EGR had a characteristic look... squinting his eyes with pursed lips. I believe Prince was into the old black and white films, remember UTCM and the scene about Bela Legosi face? That's as deep as it goes for me.

FUNKNROLL said:

manci said:

His picture appeared along with a link to Him performing "Black Sweat" on 4/14, right?

If you listen to a recording of the last P&M show, you'll hear Prince say something about the song causing "EGR funk face". EGR had a characteristic look... squinting his eyes with pursed lips. I believe Prince was into the old black and white films, remember UTCM and the scene about Bela Legosi face? That's as deep as it goes for me.

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Thank you mentioning this! It keeps me grounded so my thoughts aren't flying everywhere.

cardinal said:

Agreed. Personally, I'm here for community... but having trouble with the obtuse hints. Prince is responsible for cultivating esoteric language traditions into his most loyal fanbase. People expect there to be a secret message someplace. But with him gone it really seems to be amping up the drama. Wish nothing but wellness to all.

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[Edited 5/15/16 13:13pm]

FUNKNROLL said:

i did read somewhere that in the few moments he wasn't making music, he liked classic films. and egr and bela were part of the old school character actors.

maybe we are all just tired and sad and trying to make sense of the incomprehensible

FUNKNROLL said:

yes, hints are harder when the brain is tired, but i do understand that people don't want to delve too far into speculation since we have basically almost no hard data.

(((group hug)))

cardinal said:

Agreed. EGR played classic Hollywood gangster roles. WB used to have Bugs Bunny imitate him with that classic line "Myeah, see!".

I can imagine Prince digging EGR... and BB!

WB films, cartoons.

Prince seemed like he had a a very Midwest 70s upbringing.

RIP.




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[Edited 5/15/16 13:28pm]

beachy said:

the notion he was happy and excited these last few months is hard to believe. I'm sure he knows how to project positivity to the public though after all he is a celebrity and he has been doing PR for 40 years or more.

YES to all of this. I don't care what was "planned", something was terribly wrong and couldn't be "fixed". I believe there was a dire medical situation going on aside from the percocet dependence for the pain he was in. I'm also not sure at all that we'll get the full story when the autopsy comes out because it will tell us the cod, but not necessarily any underlying conditions that he may have had. We'll be told what they want us to hear.

Yes he knew...we all know we're dying. Listen to his final show and his repoire with the crowd...it's like he was saying his farewell.

TopazGirl said:

avajane said:

But he always had an acoustic part in his shows, be it with the guitar like in the Musicology tour or just with the piano. I felt in this tour he wanted to tell his story through his songs like how he did in the Paisley shows on Jan. 21. Perhaps he saw some of the musical documentaries that came out last year like the Nina Simone one and was inspired to tell his story through his music. I don't know that's just my reasoning behind this tour, other than the usual "he knew he was dying." [Edited 5/14/16 17:54pm]

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This is a good observation too. I had not heard of the Nina Simone musical documentary, but it sounds plausible that he could have drawn inspiration from this. And yes, I think he had creative motivation for this tour and it didn't have anything to do with him thinking he was checking out. Thank you for your thoughts.

Nina Simone also passed away on April 21st..

FUNKNROLL said:

manci said:

His picture appeared along with a link to Him performing "Black Sweat" on 4/14, right?

If you listen to a recording of the last P&M show, you'll hear Prince say something about the song causing "EGR funk face". EGR had a characteristic look... squinting his eyes with pursed lips. I believe Prince was into the old black and white films, remember UTCM and the scene about Bela Legosi face? That's as deep as it goes for me.

Yeah, I've heard he was into classics. You could be 100% correct, and that's all it is, but there are a myriad of things that line up that seem to point to him knowing he wasn't long for this world.

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Again, could all be coincidences...I'm not saying I KNOW, but from having gone through the process with people, these things are all striking. I know I'm going to leave some things out, and you don't need to counter each thing with a reason why it's NOT indicative of death, because I'm already aware that there are counters that make perfect sense. Here's my reasoning, and this is all within the last two years:

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1) Reaching out to old friends and family, many of which he hadn't spoken to in years.

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2) Asking both The Time and The Family to appear at Paisley Park.

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3) His rapid aging in the last 18 months.

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4) The dramatic weight loss in the last year.

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5) The song, "Way Back Home."

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6) Saying, "I don't need a Doctor," at the Atlanta shows.

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7) Altering or avoiding certain lyrics.

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8) The memoirs.

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9) Pretty much dying on Friday only to continue to outright LIVE in a very public way, throwing a party, riding his bike, going to a wreka stow, going to a jazz club.

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10) Writing "I am #transformed," after either dying or being one step away from death.

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11) The "phases" avatars that eventually progressed to him putting on shades, to covering both eyes, to the third eye glasses, to the removal with the earthly eyes closed and his third eye open on, what, the day of his death, right?
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12) Posting a link with a picture of a guy who died of bladder cancer.

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13) Confirmed stories of him having lucid dreams talking with dead people.

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14) Crying during the ATL shows. This is a rare occurence, if it's ever happened before.

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15) Embarking on a tour that allowed him to sit the entire time. Something he's never done before.

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16) Embarking on a tour that allowed him to PLAN shows well ahead of time, but not ANNOUNCE them until just prior to the performances. This allowed a ton of flexibility in that no ticket refunds would be due in case of last minute postponement.

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17) The instagram posts that formed a O-+> shape that were finished right on the day of his death.

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That's 17, which is a good Princely number to stop at.

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Again, I don't need someone telling me, for example, that #4 wasn't true and that it was just lighting or that he's always been thin. Yes, he's always been thin, but never has he looked frail until recently. And then you can counter, "Well, I didn't think he looked frail," and that's cool. My point is that I ALREADY UNDERSTAND all of these can be coutnered by fair arguments. I am not interested in hashing them out back and forth.
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The bottom line is that this is my theory and it's either right or wrong, and we will all know soon enough, I'm sure, whether it's off the mark.

[Edited 5/15/16 13:42pm]

manci said:

FUNKNROLL said:

manci said: If you listen to a recording of the last P&M show, you'll hear Prince say something about the song causing "EGR funk face". EGR had a characteristic look... squinting his eyes with pursed lips. I believe Prince was into the old black and white films, remember UTCM and the scene about Bela Legosi face? That's as deep as it goes for me.

Yeah, I've heard he was into classics. You could be 100% correct, and that's all it is, but there are a myriad of things that line up that seem to point to him knowing he wasn't long for this world.

.

Again, could all be coincidences...I'm not saying I KNOW, but from having gone through the process with people, these things are all striking. I know I'm going to leave some things out, and you don't need to counter each thing with a reason why it's NOT indicative of death, because I'm already aware that there are counters that make perfect sense. Here's my reasoning, and this is all within the last two years:

.

1) Reaching out to old friends and family, many of which he hadn't spoken to in years.

.

2) Asking both The Time and The Family to appear at Paisley Park.

.

3) His rapid aging in the last 18 months.

.

4) The dramatic weight loss in the last year.

.

5) The song, "Way Back Home."

.

6) Saying, "I don't need a Doctor," at the Atlanta shows.

.

7) Altering or avoiding certain lyrics.

.

8) The memoirs.

.

9) Pretty much dying on Friday only to continue to outright LIVE in a very public way, throwing a party, riding his bike, going to a wreka stow, going to a jazz club.

.

10) Writing "I am #transformed," after either dying or being one step away from death.

.

11) The "phases" avatars that eventually progressed to him putting on shades, to covering both eyes, to the third eye glasses, to the removal with the earthly eyes closed and his third eye open on, what, the day of his death, right?
.
12) Posting a link with a picture of a guy who died of bladder cancer.

.

13) Confirmed stories of him having lucid dreams talking with dead people.

.

14) Crying during the ATL shows. This is a rare occurence, if it's ever happened before.

.

15) Embarking on a tour that allowed him to sit the entire time. Something he's never done before.

.

16) Embarking on a tour that allowed him to PLAN shows well ahead of time, but not ANNOUNCE them until just prior to the performances. This allowed a ton of flexibility in that no ticket refunds would be due in case of last minute postponement.

.

17) The instagram posts that formed a O-+> shape that were finished right on the day of his death.

.

That's 17, which is a good Princely number to stop at.

.

Again, I don't need someone telling me, for example, that #4 wasn't true and that it was just lighting or that he's always been thin. Yes, he's always been thin, but never has he looked frail until recently. And then you can counter, "Well, I didn't think he looked frail," and that's cool. My point is that I ALREADY UNDERSTAND all of these can be coutnered by fair arguments. I am not interested in hashing them out back and forth.
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The bottom line is that this is my theory and it's either right or wrong, and we will all know soon enough, I'm sure, whether it's off the mark.

[Edited 5/15/16 13:42pm]

I agree with many of your points, except EGR. I believe there was a chronic illness and he may have been trying to choose the how/when. I hope the autopsy will make all things clear and 80% believable. Regardless - not trying to convince you otherwise.

I only took issue with not speaking your mind, aka connecting the dots.

If we believe something and it's of value to the forum, we should all just come out and say it. It's tempting to connect the dots. It's been an exhausting month around here. Random strangers (Prince's family) are being torn down.

PEACE.

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This is all too sad... Why would his dr be hand delivering results on the morning of his death?
Do Larry Graham and the rest of the crew know? La La says he definitely did not have AIDS or HIV...just alot of questions
Also, i know what everybody means by their brains not working quite right. I have been extremely rundown since P's death and mentally not with it 😳😳

FUNKNROLL said:

I agree with many of your points, except EGR. I believe there was a chronic illness and he may have been trying to choose the how/when. I hope the autopsy will make all things clear and 80% believable. Regardless - not trying to convince you otherwise.

I only took issue with not speaking your mind, aka connecting the dots.

If we believe something and it's of value to the forum, we should all just come out and say it. It's tempting to connect the dots. It's been an exhausting month around here. Random strangers (Prince's family) are being torn down.

PEACE.

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I hear ya. I was out and about earlier, so there was no way I was going to try to type all that on the phone while in the midst of other things. haha.

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Yes, exhasuting is right... It's like grieving for a family member. No matter how you cut it though, I don't have any beef with P's family or anyone else. He was a grown man making his own decisions. If he OD'd popping for pills for pleasure, so be it. Doesn't change anything for me. Elvis died, as Prince sang, "Butt naked on the throne!" and that hasn't seemed to have changed his legacy.
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I just hope for a magical ending, that's all. Him defiantly staring death in the face...just continuing to live, create, and perform music in spite of everything. What an ending that would be.

[Edited 5/15/16 14:41pm]

Adore4ever said:

This is all too sad... Why would his dr be hand delivering results on the morning of his death? Do Larry Graham and the rest of the crew know? La La says he definitely did not have AIDS or HIV...just alot of questions Also, i know what everybody means by their brains not working quite right. I have been extremely rundown since P's death and mentally not with it 😳😳

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That's a good point that I forgot to include above.

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18) Doc is delivering test results the day of his death. No doc is going to deliver drug testing results in person. "Well, Prince, looks like you're on Percocet!" The tests were for something else, and they weren't good...which is why he was there personally.

[Edited 5/15/16 14:45pm]

Adore4ever said:

This is all too sad... Why would his dr be hand delivering results on the morning of his death? Do Larry Graham and the rest of the crew know? La La says he definitely did not have AIDS or HIV...just alot of questions Also, i know what everybody means by their brains not working quite right. I have been extremely rundown since P's death and mentally not with it 😳😳

May I ask, who is La La?

manci said:

FUNKNROLL said:

manci said: If you listen to a recording of the last P&M show, you'll hear Prince say something about the song causing "EGR funk face". EGR had a characteristic look... squinting his eyes with pursed lips. I believe Prince was into the old black and white films, remember UTCM and the scene about Bela Legosi face? That's as deep as it goes for me.

Yeah, I've heard he was into classics. You could be 100% correct, and that's all it is, but there are a myriad of things that line up that seem to point to him knowing he wasn't long for this world.

.

Again, could all be coincidences...I'm not saying I KNOW, but from having gone through the process with people, these things are all striking. I know I'm going to leave some things out, and you don't need to counter each thing with a reason why it's NOT indicative of death, because I'm already aware that there are counters that make perfect sense. Here's my reasoning, and this is all within the last two years:

.

1) Reaching out to old friends and family, many of which he hadn't spoken to in years.

.

2) Asking both The Time and The Family to appear at Paisley Park.

.

3) His rapid aging in the last 18 months.

.

4) The dramatic weight loss in the last year.

.

5) The song, "Way Back Home."

.

6) Saying, "I don't need a Doctor," at the Atlanta shows.

.

7) Altering or avoiding certain lyrics.

.

8) The memoirs.

.

9) Pretty much dying on Friday only to continue to outright LIVE in a very public way, throwing a party, riding his bike, going to a wreka stow, going to a jazz club.

.

10) Writing "I am #transformed," after either dying or being one step away from death.

.

11) The "phases" avatars that eventually progressed to him putting on shades, to covering both eyes, to the third eye glasses, to the removal with the earthly eyes closed and his third eye open on, what, the day of his death, right?
.
12) Posting a link with a picture of a guy who died of bladder cancer.

.

13) Confirmed stories of him having lucid dreams talking with dead people.

.

14) Crying during the ATL shows. This is a rare occurence, if it's ever happened before.

.

15) Embarking on a tour that allowed him to sit the entire time. Something he's never done before.

.

16) Embarking on a tour that allowed him to PLAN shows well ahead of time, but not ANNOUNCE them until just prior to the performances. This allowed a ton of flexibility in that no ticket refunds would be due in case of last minute postponement.

.

17) The instagram posts that formed a O-+> shape that were finished right on the day of his death.

.

That's 17, which is a good Princely number to stop at.

.

Again, I don't need someone telling me, for example, that #4 wasn't true and that it was just lighting or that he's always been thin. Yes, he's always been thin, but never has he looked frail until recently. And then you can counter, "Well, I didn't think he looked frail," and that's cool. My point is that I ALREADY UNDERSTAND all of these can be coutnered by fair arguments. I am not interested in hashing them out back and forth.
.
The bottom line is that this is my theory and it's either right or wrong, and we will all know soon enough, I'm sure, whether it's off the mark.

[Edited 5/15/16 13:42pm]

I didn't hear about #14 him crying during the atlanta shows. can you elaborate or point me to a source? thanks

beachy said:

I didn't hear about #14 him crying during the atlanta shows. can you elaborate or point me to a source? thanks

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That comes from people posting in the org, but I've seen it referenced in some of the articles, too. The closest I can find right now is this: "It seemed, when he started a story about his father teaching him how to play the piano, that the show might include other such personal exposures from the famously private musician. But aside from noting, “Sometimes I forget how emotional these songs can be,” after he briefly hustled offstage following “A Case of U” and its glass-shattering notes, Prince knitted a string songs together sans commentary."

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From: http://music.blog.ajc.com...atre-show/

manci said:

i got test results once, and thankfully it turned out not to be as bad as originally thought. but the dr called and told me to come at blank a clock and bring someone. i KNEW it was bad. concierge medicine aside, they never want to see you for good news.

manci said:

beachy said:

I didn't hear about #14 him crying during the atlanta shows. can you elaborate or point me to a source? thanks

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That comes from people posting in the org, but I've seen it referenced in some of the articles, too. The closest I can find right now is this: "It seemed, when he started a story about his father teaching him how to play the piano, that the show might include other such personal exposures from the famously private musician. But aside from noting, “Sometimes I forget how emotional these songs can be,” after he briefly hustled offstage following “A Case of U” and its glass-shattering notes, Prince knitted a string songs together sans commentary."

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From: http://music.blog.ajc.com...atre-show/

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Here's another:

"At one point during the earlier show, Prince became overwhelmed with emotion, and briefly retreated to the wings.

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“He played a song and left the stage, and we thought the concert was over so we started chanting for more,” said Celeste Headlee, a public radio show host in Atlanta. Prince returned, telling the audience, “sometimes you forget how emotional this music is.”
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From: http://variety.com/2016/m...201758537/

cardinal said:

manci said:

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That's a good point that I forgot to include above.

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18) Doc is delivering test results the day of his death. No doc is going to deliver drug testing results in person. "Well, Prince, looks like you're on Percocet!" The tests were for something else, and they weren't good...which is why he was there personally.

[Edited 5/15/16 14:45pm]

i got test results once, and thankfully it turned out not to be as bad as originally thought. but the dr called and told me to come at blank a clock and bring someone. i KNEW it was bad. concierge medicine aside, they never want to see you for good news.

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Exactly...