Thanks for the heads up.

cardinal said:

9 pm est, town hall on cnn hosted by anderson cooper and dr sanjay gupta with dr drew participating. wed may 11.

they will be discussing the problem with rampant overuse of opioids (esp in the usa) and solutions

if this what killed prince, this is the beginning of him saving lives from the other side. too bad it wasn't in time for him


"do i have a friend tonight?" --prince at his last concert in atlanta

I saw Dr. Gupta's comments about the "opioid epidemic" in the US. What I think some people do not realize is how much illness this country has as well. A huge majority of patients on opioid medications are diabetic. Diabetes can cause neuropathy which is very painful and can be debilitating. There is a huge epidemic of diabetes in this country. I cannot emphasize how bad diabetes is in this country and a big majority of it is from the diet, AKA Type II diabetes. As I am writing this, I see yet another commercial about a Type II diabetic medication, they are advertised like they are someting "cool" to be taking. No, diabetes is not cool! I kid you not, there are so many new diabetic medications coming out each month. No, stop medicating it and start changing your diet and lifestyle. Diabetes is expensive and painful.

BTW, I am not saying Prince was a diabetic. I am just speaking broadly on why I feel the US has a higher use of pain medications than the rest of the world. I do not believe it is because the US is just a big country of drug addicts. I think the entire picture should be examined.

gatorgirl said:

gatorgirl said:

I saw Dr. Gupta's comments about the "opioid epidemic" in the US. What I think some people do not realize is how much illness this country has as well. A huge majority of patients on opioid medications are diabetic. Diabetes can cause neuropathy which is very painful and can be debilitating. There is a huge epidemic of diabetes in this country. I cannot emphasize how bad diabetes is in this country and a big majority of it is from the diet, AKA Type II diabetes. As I am writing this, I see yet another commercial about a Type II diabetic medication, they are advertised like they are someting "cool" to be taking. No, diabetes is not cool! I kid you not, there are so many new diabetic medications coming out each month. No, stop medicating it and start changing your diet and lifestyle. Diabetes is expensive and painful.

BTW, I am not saying Prince was a diabetic. I am just speaking broadly on why I feel the US has a higher use of pain medications than the rest of the world. I do not believe it is because the US is just a big country of drug addicts. I think the entire picture should be examined.

I know all about diabetes!! My late husband had Type I(In fact even the worse type above that) and he passed away from Renal Failure halfway through a dialysis session!! He also had neuropathy which is numbness of the hands and feet!! He was on so much medication that wherever we went we almost had to carry it all around in a small suitcase!! My late husband was Mexican/American and the Mexicans(I am not saying all of them) are notorious for bad diets and lack of exercise!! I am afraid that beans, rice and tortillas, pastries, etc. aint gonna cut it for a healthy diet, and as for exercise, well all I see these type of people do is sit in front of TVs, swigging down gallons of beer!! And then Big Pharma steps in and cashes in on all these self-inflicted diseases!!

THE AUTOPSY RESULTS HAVE NOT BEEN RELEASED YET FOR CHRISSAKES.

gatorgirl said:

I saw Dr. Gupta's comments about the "opioid epidemic" in the US. What I think some people do not realize is how much illness this country has as well. A huge majority of patients on opioid medications are diabetic. Diabetes can cause neuropathy which is very painful and can be debilitating. There is a huge epidemic of diabetes in this country. I cannot emphasize how bad diabetes is in this country and a big majority of it is from the diet, AKA Type II diabetes. As I am writing this, I see yet another commercial about a Type II diabetic medication, they are advertised like they are someting "cool" to be taking. No, diabetes is not cool! I kid you not, there are so many new diabetic medications coming out each month. No, stop medicating it and start changing your diet and lifestyle. Diabetes is expensive and painful.

BTW, I am not saying Prince was a diabetic. I am just speaking broadly on why I feel the US has a higher use of pain medications than the rest of the world. I do not believe it is because the US is just a big country of drug addicts. I think the entire picture should be examined.

Type II is a nice way of saying that "You eat too much carbs, sugar, bread/pasta, and salt..and you are probably overweight..."

Even slim, one cna still have it..

In the South, it was called "The Sugar"

gatorgirl said:

I saw Dr. Gupta's comments about the "opioid epidemic" in the US. What I think some people do not realize is how much illness this country has as well. A huge majority of patients on opioid medications are diabetic. Diabetes can cause neuropathy which is very painful and can be debilitating. There is a huge epidemic of diabetes in this country. I cannot emphasize how bad diabetes is in this country and a big majority of it is from the diet, AKA Type II diabetes. As I am writing this, I see yet another commercial about a Type II diabetic medication, they are advertised like they are someting "cool" to be taking. No, diabetes is not cool! I kid you not, there are so many new diabetic medications coming out each month. No, stop medicating it and start changing your diet and lifestyle. Diabetes is expensive and painful.

BTW, I am not saying Prince was a diabetic. I am just speaking broadly on why I feel the US has a higher use of pain medications than the rest of the world. I do not believe it is because the US is just a big country of drug addicts. I think the entire picture should be examined.

Sugar = Fire... Too much, and no burn of calories....Going from the Garage-to-the-Car--To the deck-to the job, and in-reverse...Is not enough to burn all of those carbs in the stream.

Add a chronic injury = Arthritis or Biabetic numbness pain. Neuropathic pain.

His chef said Mr. Nelson liked Sugar, and cakes.. He like candy too.

doodles said:

cardinal said:

doodles said:

I think it's premature to say that opiate dependence was the cause of Prince's death. I think he used what he had to end his life of suffering and perceived impending humiliation. Also he had spoken previously about getting to the next level. There are differences between opiate use, physiological opiate dependence, psychological opiate dependence, accidental opiate overdose and intentional opiate overdose. Many opiate deaths are due to accidental overdose in psychologically and physiologically dependent "addicts."

I suspect Prince had an intentional overdose. I don't understand WHY he was left alone on the night of the 20th?! This is THE MOST SALIENT failure in his treatment. Why wasn't he forcibly hospitalized on a 72 hr hold? Why didn't his good JW friend stand up to Prince and tell him what was what? Why did nobody stand up to Prince and MAKE HIM get help? That very night?!

intentional....just to be clear...you are suggesting that prince took his life on purpose? not judging the opinion, just want to clarify that is what you think he did. or did you mean unintentional? from your statement it sounds like you think he opted out.


"do i have a friend tonight?" --prince at his last concert in atlanta
[Edited 5/11/16 16:36pm]

doodles said:

cardinal said:

intentional....just to be clear...you are suggesting that prince took his life on purpose? not judging the opinion, just want to clarify that is what you think he did. or did you mean unintentional? from your statement it sounds like you think he opted out.


"do i have a friend tonight?" --prince at his last concert in atlanta
[Edited 5/11/16 16:36pm]

Yes I think this was an intentional overdose. I think the failure of the medical profession was less in the prescribing of opiates (I believe he had legitimate pain and legitimate uses for opiates) and more in the vein of failing to supervise a gravely ill, confused, frightened, betrayed and potentially suicidal man.

I think the medical staff were blown away by his superstardom and failed to treat him as the human being he was. I think several people (including close associates) made that same error. Probably difficult not to make that error given the reclusive superstar with whom they were face to face.

Was there a psychiatric consult in Moline? To ensure that wasn't an intentional OD on the plane? If not, why not? Unmarried, medically ill men are at high risk for suicide. But maybe they were more concerned about letting him live out his days in comfort??

I think I've been so obsessed with this story since it broke because I can't believe how badly this man was failed by so many people in the know. I think his medical secrets were leaked to the press either by a close associate or a blabber mouthed medical professional. I think he felt completely humiliated, betrayed and isolated in the end. I absolutely HATE it that he died in that elevator alone not fully realizing how loved he was - with nobody to snatch those pills out of his hand and escort him back to his room and provide medical, psychological and spiritual support.

Suzee said:

cardinal said:

Suzee said:

this is a compelling and heartbreaking thesis. certainly the medical profession has been complicit, even unintentionally, and i put the worst of it on bigpharma and the insurance companies.

and sadly, as you point out, unmarried men, particularly if they don't have another close relationship (blood relative, close friend), are at high risk for death from many causes including suicide. i can't help remember his emotional, even weepy, final concert in atlanta....dammit i want to know what he was feeling.

he was, from childhood, betrayed and abandoned routinely, and i don't think he ever felt unconditional love and the trust that comes with it. and the idea of being scared, alone, and dying in that elevator will haunt me always. the one thing i hold onto is he really seemed to feel tremendous love from the fans (friends, as he called them) during that last series of performances.


"do i have a friend tonight?" --prince at his last concert in atlanta

I just don't like the way the media is trying to paint Prince as this pill-head i think it ran much deeper than that... We as fans will respect him no matter what.. but I just dont want his legacy as a great artist to be tainted by this incident of whatever happened.

dolphinkiing23 said:

I just don't like the way the media is trying to paint Prince as this pill-head i think it ran much deeper than that... We as fans will respect him no matter what.. but I just dont want his legacy as a great artist to be tainted by this incident of whatever happened.

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When you hear Thriller, Off The Wall -- do you think of MJ as a drug addict?

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Hell, most of this country supports Chris Brown (proven domestic abuser) and R. Kelly (video footage of him pissing on minors).

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The autopsy report hasn't been released -- so less not jump the gun. And who cares about the garbage that is posted on this forum from sites like TMZ. That won't change how we feel about his music. Even Prince's own words didn't change that -- at least not for most of us.

No, you are right. A massive majority of Mexican Americans over the age of about 50 are diabetics. It is very scary!!! Diabetes is so expensive to treat. Now, your husband being Type I, diet and exercise may not have been able to help completely but in many cases with Type II, which is the more common, diet and exercise, but mostly diet, could help treat it rather than Big Pharma coming out with a new diabetic medication every month, with most of them costing more than $300 for a 30 day supply. It breaks my heart seeing those on Medicare come to get insulin and they have a deductable so their copay is $400 for something they HAVE to have to survive. This is such a problem. It will only get worse.

PurpleSpirit319 said:

gatorgirl said:

I saw Dr. Gupta's comments about the "opioid epidemic" in the US. What I think some people do not realize is how much illness this country has as well. A huge majority of patients on opioid medications are diabetic. Diabetes can cause neuropathy which is very painful and can be debilitating. There is a huge epidemic of diabetes in this country. I cannot emphasize how bad diabetes is in this country and a big majority of it is from the diet, AKA Type II diabetes. As I am writing this, I see yet another commercial about a Type II diabetic medication, they are advertised like they are someting "cool" to be taking. No, diabetes is not cool! I kid you not, there are so many new diabetic medications coming out each month. No, stop medicating it and start changing your diet and lifestyle. Diabetes is expensive and painful.

BTW, I am not saying Prince was a diabetic. I am just speaking broadly on why I feel the US has a higher use of pain medications than the rest of the world. I do not believe it is because the US is just a big country of drug addicts. I think the entire picture should be examined.

I know all about diabetes!! My late husband had Type I(In fact even the worse type above that) and he passed away from Renal Failure halfway through a dialysis session!! He also had neuropathy which is numbness of the hands and feet!! He was on so much medication that wherever we went we almost had to carry it all around in a small suitcase!! My late husband was Mexican/American and the Mexicans(I am not saying all of them) are notorious for bad diets and lack of exercise!! I am afraid that beans, rice and tortillas, pastries, etc. aint gonna cut it for a healthy diet, and as for exercise, well all I see these type of people do is sit in front of TVs, swigging down gallons of beer!! And then Big Pharma steps in and cashes in on all these self-inflicted diseases!!