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Thread started 05/08/16 5:41pm

phoenixrising

Question and Prince and the NPG live

I heard a cut of a live recording of Prince and the NPG (sorry I don't remember which song) where there was a break and the horns took over, and then the keyboards..
My question is, how did that work out? That is to say, Prince didn't play any brass or wind instruments as far as I know so did he tell the horns you have 48 bars to improvise and I want it to go something like this and then demonstrate on the piano or guitar,
Or did they just have hours and weeks of rehearsal to learn what Prince wanted?
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Reply #1 posted 05/08/16 5:45pm

TheSacrificeOf
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I'd say it's mostly rehearsal - Prince always had a great way of making things look like improv.

What it is?!?!
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Reply #2 posted 05/08/16 6:34pm

MrMoops

phoenixrising said:

I heard a cut of a live recording of Prince and the NPG (sorry I don't remember which song) where there was a break and the horns took over, and then the keyboards.. My question is, how did that work out? That is to say, Prince didn't play any brass or wind instruments as far as I know so did he tell the horns you have 48 bars to improvise and I want it to go something like this and then demonstrate on the piano or guitar, Or did they just have hours and weeks of rehearsal to learn what Prince wanted?

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Any idea what year? I could probably answer this in detail if it was the 90's NPG

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Reply #3 posted 05/08/16 7:04pm

phoenixrising

MrMoops said:



phoenixrising said:


I heard a cut of a live recording of Prince and the NPG (sorry I don't remember which song) where there was a break and the horns took over, and then the keyboards.. My question is, how did that work out? That is to say, Prince didn't play any brass or wind instruments as far as I know so did he tell the horns you have 48 bars to improvise and I want it to go something like this and then demonstrate on the piano or guitar, Or did they just have hours and weeks of rehearsal to learn what Prince wanted?

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Any idea what year? I could probably answer this in detail if it was the 90's NPG



Sorry not sure of the year, but maceo was called out by name
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Reply #4 posted 05/08/16 9:26pm

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Those guys are professional, and Maceo is a legend. 48 bars ain't shit if you're called out.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #5 posted 05/08/16 10:02pm

MrMoops

phoenixrising said:

MrMoops said:

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Any idea what year? I could probably answer this in detail if it was the 90's NPG

Sorry not sure of the year, but maceo was called out by name

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Maceo did most of his stuff with P in the 2000s

if he called out Maceo, then it was all improvised. That would pretty much always be the case with individual soloists. If it was the horn section playing something together, then it would be something they already worked out. When we got in those jams at the end of a show, we would usually have a lead line and/or hook of some sort to go to if he called a "horns on the one". We also had some simple riffs to back up other soloists or just add to the jam. I would call those out using hand signals. On the D&P and the Act I & II tours, the outro would have specific cues for the big horn stuff at the end like "Horns, hit me in the back" and "Horns, kick some ass"

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Reply #6 posted 05/09/16 12:29am

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^Yeah, I remember that! I can still hear it even when reading this! biggrin
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Reply #7 posted 05/09/16 12:35am

luv2tha99s

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MrMoops said:



phoenixrising said:


MrMoops said:


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Any idea what year? I could probably answer this in detail if it was the 90's NPG



Sorry not sure of the year, but maceo was called out by name

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Maceo did most of his stuff with P in the 2000s


if he called out Maceo, then it was all improvised. That would pretty much always be the case with individual soloists. If it was the horn section playing something together, then it would be something they already worked out. When we got in those jams at the end of a show, we would usually have a lead line and/or hook of some sort to go to if he called a "horns on the one". We also had some simple riffs to back up other soloists or just add to the jam. I would call those out using hand signals. On the D&P and the Act I & II tours, the outro would have specific cues for the big horn stuff at the end like "Horns, hit me in the back" and "Horns, kick some ass"


Were you a member of the NPG?
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Reply #8 posted 05/09/16 11:43am

MrMoops

luv2tha99s said:

MrMoops said:

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Maceo did most of his stuff with P in the 2000s

if he called out Maceo, then it was all improvised. That would pretty much always be the case with individual soloists. If it was the horn section playing something together, then it would be something they already worked out. When we got in those jams at the end of a show, we would usually have a lead line and/or hook of some sort to go to if he called a "horns on the one". We also had some simple riffs to back up other soloists or just add to the jam. I would call those out using hand signals. On the D&P and the Act I & II tours, the outro would have specific cues for the big horn stuff at the end like "Horns, hit me in the back" and "Horns, kick some ass"

Were you a member of the NPG?

Yes

Michael B. Nelson - trombone/horn arranger, leader of NPG Horns/Hornheads

I worked with Prince from 1991-2001, and again from 2011-2016 as horn arranger and string producer.

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Reply #9 posted 05/09/16 11:49am

prittypriss

MrMoops said:

luv2tha99s said:

MrMoops said: Were you a member of the NPG?

Yes

Michael B. Nelson - trombone/horn arranger, leader of NPG Horns/Hornheads

I worked with Prince from 1991-2001, and again from 2011-2016 as horn arranger and string producer.

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I am so sorry for your loss.

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Reply #10 posted 05/09/16 1:02pm

endymion

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MrMoops said:



luv2tha99s said:


MrMoops said:


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Maceo did most of his stuff with P in the 2000s


if he called out Maceo, then it was all improvised. That would pretty much always be the case with individual soloists. If it was the horn section playing something together, then it would be something they already worked out. When we got in those jams at the end of a show, we would usually have a lead line and/or hook of some sort to go to if he called a "horns on the one". We also had some simple riffs to back up other soloists or just add to the jam. I would call those out using hand signals. On the D&P and the Act I & II tours, the outro would have specific cues for the big horn stuff at the end like "Horns, hit me in the back" and "Horns, kick some ass"



Were you a member of the NPG?

Yes


Michael B. Nelson - trombone/horn arranger, leader of NPG Horns/Hornheads


I worked with Prince from 1991-2001, and again from 2011-2016 as horn arranger and string producer.




I used to assume you were his brother
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What you don't remember never happened
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Reply #11 posted 05/09/16 7:03pm

MrMoops

prittypriss said:

MrMoops said:

Yes

Michael B. Nelson - trombone/horn arranger, leader of NPG Horns/Hornheads

I worked with Prince from 1991-2001, and again from 2011-2016 as horn arranger and string producer.

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I am so sorry for your loss.

Thank you. It's been a lot tougher than I ever imagined (partly because I never imagined)

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Reply #12 posted 05/09/16 7:23pm

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MrMoops, did you play on "Freaks On This Side"?

If so, just wanna say those are my favorite horns on any song, pretty much ever. Always get that riff stuck in my head.

Hope you're holding up, all things considered.

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Reply #13 posted 05/09/16 10:03pm

MrMoops

dustoff said:

MrMoops, did you play on "Freaks On This Side"?

If so, just wanna say those are my favorite horns on any song, pretty much ever. Always get that riff stuck in my head.

Hope you're holding up, all things considered.

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Thanks

yeah, that's a pretty crazy fun one. He gave me the track with the main horn hooks on it and I arranged different variations for him to work with. Also, he gave me space to write the horn break that happens in the middle and near the end. Then we would go in the studio and proceed to mess around with everything. At one point in the song he just told us to play a lick as high as we could. I still smile when I hear it. Only P would try that.

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Reply #14 posted 05/09/16 11:35pm

baabahope

MrMoops said:



dustoff said:


MrMoops, did you play on "Freaks On This Side"?

If so, just wanna say those are my favorite horns on any song, pretty much ever. Always get that riff stuck in my head.

Hope you're holding up, all things considered.



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Thanks


yeah, that's a pretty crazy fun one. He gave me the track with the main horn hooks on it and I arranged different variations for him to work with. Also, he gave me space to write the horn break that happens in the middle and near the end. Then we would go in the studio and proceed to mess around with everything. At one point in the song he just told us to play a lick as high as we could. I still smile when I hear it. Only P would try that.


It's a great honor to hear from you Michael. I've listened to your work with Prince for so long...I play woodwinds myself and I always dreamed of playing/arranging horns for Prince but to hear from someone who actually did it is just so uplifting in this tough time. My thoughts and prayers are with you and thank you for your amazing work and may you be blessed.
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