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PrintableAerogram said: I didn't even cross my mind Prince should NOT be blamed for the entire record, so he should get credit where credit is due... and blame where it is justified.
There are some classic Prince tracks like Come On, The One and Wasted Kisses, but too much of the rest seems to a product of uninspired jamming at Paisley Park, with some pancrea-challenging tunes thrown in.
That said, he was dealing with massive grief when he made this album. It's almost a miracle it has at least three classic Prince tracks. [Edited 5/7/16 16:10pm] I don't think I was super in love with it when it came out but I definitely grew to appreciate it. I'd really like to hear it now but I'm supposed to be studying and not dragging out the collection! I've been listening to SIRIUSXM all day and I'm surprised by the repeats when there is still so much they haven't played yet. Surprise, surprise.
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I don't see the relevance of his name or face on the cover. That's just a marketing tool and doesn't affect the music. Other people have not had their names or faces on albums but it doesn't prevent the album from being theirs. . Likewise touring is irrelevant. . Why is lead vocals so important? He has John Blackwell on the drums for HnR2 but it's still a Prince album. Why can't he have someone else on vocals and he plays the rest of the instruments and it still being his album? . If it's an instrumental with him playing most of the instruments, it's his song. If he then adds a vocalist, does it cease to being his song? . I'd agree that NPS is a Prince album but I'd suggest that there's a lot more as well. [Edited 5/8/16 1:17am] | |
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Not only do I see it as a Prince album, I actually see Newpower Soul as the last album of his "classic" phase. I mean, before he became full-on religious and completely Larried. I'm using Larry as a verb because there's no other way to explain it. Yes, I know that Larry is on the album, but his influence wasn't fully on Prince just yet. | |
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Here's the original promo blurb, by BMG Records: Following up the 4-CD opus that was Crystal Ball is New Power Soul, yet another collaboration between the Artist Formerly Known As Prince and his recording unit, the New Power Generation. Continuing down the path of musical independence has allowed the Artist to mix and match musical cues. Hence, within the measures of Mad Sex, we find minor key brass arrangements tangoing with hip-hop scratching and call-and-response chanting. His horn charts are also used to great effect on songs such as the percolating (Eye Like) Funky Music and the chugging funk of When U Love Somebody, a track that finds our hero's falsetto in fine form. As is the case with much of the Artist's career, his broad creative strokes make it easy to envision his compositions fitting perfectly into other artists' repertoires. Shoo-Bed-Ooh could be a long-lost TLC track while Salt 'N Pepa could have a ball kicking it on Push It Up! One of the most interesting compositions is Come On, a sexual paean to an older woman that finds the Glyph collaborating with a barely audible Chaka Khan over a bed of swirling synths, bottleneck acoustic guitar and a stripped-down trip-hop beat | |
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In TIME magazine, the 40th album they missed was The Truth. |
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Was The Truth ever available on its own, not as a bonus CD to CB? | |
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No. | |
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I consider any album made by Prince a Prince album regardless of the credits, who sings or who's name and picture is on the cover. When Stephen King, JK Rowling or Sophie Kinsella release novels under a moniker they are nonetheless considered novels written by them. If we include every studio and live album made by Prince, in both audio and video, we get around 80. . . The Truth is a separate album from CB, and Lotusflow3r, Elixer and Mplsound are 3 distinct albums, there is no discussion about that: they have separate titles and concepts. . The figure 39 includes 39 studio audio-only albums credited to Prince and is correct: For You, Prince, Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999, Purple Rain, Around The World In A Day, Parade, Sign O The Times, The Black Album, Lovesexy, Batman, Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds And Pearls, Symbol, Come, The Gold Experience, Chaos & Disorder, The Vault Old friends 4 Sale, Emancipation, The Truth, Crystal Ball, Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic, The Chocolate Invasion, The Slaughterhouse, The Rainbow Children, One Nite Alone, Xpectation, NEWS, Musicology, 3121, Planet Earth, Lotusflow3r, Mplsound, 20ten, Plectrumelectrum, Art Official Age, HitnRun Phase One, HitnRun Phase Two: that's 39 and accurate. . I believe The Undertaker could be included because it was a studio album (there is no debate about that either, live means in front of an audience, not live in the studio: lots of songs were cut live in the studio, and so was NEWS as well, again people who say The Undertaker is a live album show a lack of knowledge about terms and definition). However since it was a video-only release I understand why people usually discard it from the list. . So in the end there's the 39 figure (40 with The Undertaker) that fits a definition and makes it easier for the general audience to understand, and then there's a more comprehensive approach that consists in including the rest: live albums, audio or video, compilations such as The B=)-Sides, Ultimate or 1800 New-Funk, and Prince albums released under a moniker or the name of another artist/band. . Debating about NPS or other albums being or not being part of the discography based on criterias such as the cover or who sings is childish and as arbitrary as deciding an album doesn't count just because u don't like it. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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C-Note is an album, there is no debate about this: what u say is "I don't consider it an album so it ain't one", lucky us u consider Dirty Mind an album! However it's a live album and as revealed by the cover art on Tidal it was in fact meant as a NPG album, not a Prince one. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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George Duke and Herbie Hancock have albums with guest vocalists only and they're still officially their albums. People don't understand the creative process. All NPG albums are Prince albums, and many more side projects. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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databank said: I consider any album made by Prince a Prince album regardless of the credits, who sings or who's name and picture is on the cover. When Stephen King, JK Rowling or Sophie Kinsella release novels under a moniker they are nonetheless considered novels written by them. If we include every studio and live album made by Prince, in both audio and video, we get around 80. . . The Truth is a separate album from CB, and Lotusflow3r, Elixer and Mplsound are 3 distinct albums, there is no discussion about that: they have separate titles and concepts. . The figure 39 includes 39 studio audio-only albums credited to Prince and is correct: For You, Prince, Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999, Purple Rain, Around The World In A Day, Parade, Sign O The Times, The Black Album, Lovesexy, Batman, Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds And Pearls, Symbol, Come, The Gold Experience, Chaos & Disorder, The Vault Old friends 4 Sale, Emancipation, The Truth, Crystal Ball, Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic, The Chocolate Invasion, The Slaughterhouse, The Rainbow Children, One Nite Alone, Xpectation, NEWS, Musicology, 3121, Planet Earth, Lotusflow3r, Mplsound, 20ten, Plectrumelectrum, Art Official Age, HitnRun Phase One, HitnRun Phase Two: that's 39 and accurate. . I believe The Undertaker could be included because it was a studio album (there is no debate about that either, live means in front of an audience, not live in the studio: lots of songs were cut live in the studio, and so was NEWS as well, again people who say The Undertaker is a live album show a lack of knowledge about terms and definition). However since it was a video-only release I understand why people usually discard it from the list. . So in the end there's the 39 figure (40 with The Undertaker) that fits a definition and makes it easier for the general audience to understand, and then there's a more comprehensive approach that consists in including the rest: live albums, audio or video, compilations such as The B=)-Sides, Ultimate or 1800 New-Funk, and Prince albums released under a moniker or the name of another artist/band. . Debating about NPS or other albums being or not being part of the discography based on criterias such as the cover or who sings is childish and as arbitrary as deciding an album doesn't count just because u don't like it. Then why spend a long post doing it. [Snipped - langebleu - moderator] No point in describing calling NPS a Prince album 'immature', and not backing it up with ANYTHING. If you feel it's a side project and not a Prince project, you need to say why. The Undertaker was never released as an album, and is a live 'take' of old songs, a cover, and some extended jams that would never have made a studio album in that format. Not sure why anything said leads you to such a stupid comment of saying people don't know what 'live' means. They do. It has less new songs than some Prince singles. You can pull anything out of your ass. But was it released by Prince as a Prince album? In the case of NPS, the answer is Yes. As for NEWS, and what its inclusion means, read the first post again. Dealt with. And ultimately it was a Prince studio album, released as such - that's all there is to that one. You can't count live albums in a list of studio albums by definition. Suddenly acts like Pearl Jam and Tori Amos are in three figures easy for album releases, when they've only done a third of Prince's studio releases. [Edited 5/8/16 7:49am] | |
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Bluedell said: I don't see the relevance of his name or face on the cover. Seriously? The name on the cover is a CREDIT. If you don't trust that, you must get awfully confused in a wrecka stow. The point was both a) it is NAMED as a Prince album, pure and simple. And b) not just that, if featured more Prince and less of owt else on the cover than anything since the 70's. The cover is proof of nothing on its own. But considering everything else about this release, the music itself, and it's promotion screams Prince Studio Album, then the cover helps the argument. Since it appears there is one. Like I said before, NPS counts he same way Purple Rain does. And in a way the Jill Jones album doesn't, can't. To repeat myself, most of these albums have material written or performed by others in a way a Prince record never does. Unfortunately, the number of Prince studio albums is being reported everywhere now. An article tends to mention his age and how many albums he released. I believe they're getting it from Wiki, probably compiled from the guys behind Princevault / Uptown, since they made this (bad) call some time ago. Check the blurb posted above by Girlbrother, check his name on the cover, check the picture, listen to the music, look at the promo interviews, see how many shows he played to support it. It's a slam dunk as a Prince solo studio album. With only a little confusion around its place in the New Power Pack. But right now, Prince's official discography is being written in stone and reported everywhere. And I feel - as it appears Most do - that it's wrong. And it comes from just one source (I think). I've just had a look at the write up in The Vault (2004 book), which I think is part of the source for this. They make a lot of good observations, as always. But seem to miss the Prince credit on the cover. And assume that as the album is a return to funk (really?) it's like a modern day The Time album, and treat it as such. Which is truly bizarre. | |
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When I bought the album, it was referred to as an album by the 'New Power Generation'. ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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moderatorlangebleu said: When I bought the album, it was referred to as an album by the 'New Power Generation'. Isn't that a self-defeating post? Can you really type that much on something whilst telling us you have a life instead of bothering with it? Or spend two paras explaining you were told it was NPG, yet beginning the next two with 'Having made the decision...' I'm sure plenty of fans don't care and discussing it is beneath them. Fair enough. But we won't see them here. Certainly not posting the same thing two days in a row about how little they care. | |
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I was not attacking anyone by name and was adressing the partisans of various theories in general. I would appreciate it if you didn't make this personal. . I don't know who you are neither for how long you've been a member of this community, but you don't seem to have read my post at all besides a few sentences. Nevertheless, I'm going to reply to you in a clear and civil manner. I won't re-explain the same things more than twice and I will not start a row so if things go that way I'll be gone. . As for backing-up the fact that NPS is a side-project and not a "Prince" album, see Langebleu's reply above. Besides a few promotional texts, it was credited to New Power Generation, on an equal level with Gold Nigga, Exodus or The War. I don't see what need there is for back-up. Do I need to back-up the fact that an album has a particular credit on its cover, spine and booklet? I don't believe I do. You can say it was released as a Prince album if you will, you can also say that Thriller was credited to the Beatles if that'll make you happy, but you will not convince anyone that what's written on the album is not there, or that what's not is. . Regarding The Undertaker, it's unheard of that the artistic content of an album defines whether it's an album or not. An album is usually simply a collection of unreleased songs, or possiblky even a compilation of previously released tracks, but whether the content is covers, self-covers, 10 minutes jams or anything else has never been taken into consideration. I know ambient albums that are one hour-long track, others that are a series of instrumental jams, others that are only covers. It wouldn't cross anyone 's mind to say those are not albums, if only because the artists that released them dubbed their release their "new album" and they know whether they have released an album or... a thing. I'll add that if The Undertaker had been released on CD as originally planned, you'd never even think of excluding it from an album discography. The Undertaker was released on video, and there is such a concept as "video albums": https://en.wikipedia.org/...categories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Prince_(musician)_video_albums Now I recognized above that video albums may or may not be considered on an equal level with audio albums, but The Undertaker is what it is and it's a video album AND a studio album. Again, you are free to say it is, in fact, a toaster or a car if u will, but you won't be able to convince others that it is what it is not, or that it is not what it is. . For the record, I've seen many times on this forum people who didn't know that "live" is not similar to "live in the studio". Not everyone is an expert at music terminology (and neither should everyone be expected to be one). . I've never written anywhere that live albums should be considered, or counted as studio albums (please refrain yourself from making me say things I haven't said in the future). Live albums are nevertheless part of the albums discography of an artist, which has subcategories (live, studio, audio, video...) and itself is part of the overall discography (including singles, promos, etc.). . Thank you. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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I may politely suggest that attacking members of this board, let alone a mod, in such a systematic way may be assimilated to trolling and that you may end-up with a deleted or temporarily suspended account. I'm sure you have a desire to share your passions with fellow fans, and we've all been shaken pretty hard lately, nd we all share a common passion for P's music. Let us be civil if nothing else. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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I got to 39 but in what i consider the correct way
For You Prince Dirty Mind Controversy 1999 Purple Rain Around The World In A Day Parade Sign Of The Times Lovesexy Batman Graffiti Bridge Diamonds and Pearls Love Symbol Come The Black Album The Gold Experience Chaos & Disorder Emancipation New Power Soul The Truth Crystal Ball Kamasutra Old Friends For Sale Rave Un2 the Joy Rave In2 the Joy The Rainbow Children One Nite Alone N.E.W.S. Musicology 3121 Planet Earth Lotus Flow3r MPLS Sound 20Ten Art Official Age Plectrum Electrum Hit N Run I Hit N Run II
The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days... | |
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. Hey, I don't like that album either. "Love And Anger" is superb, rest of the album never grabbed me. I can't recall why Prince thanked Kate Bush on his "Diamonds And Pearls" album. Was there a working partnership at that time? Was he just a huge fan? | |
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The Madhouse joints[quote] | |
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They had met in 1990 and discussed working together. It's possible that Kate had already sent Prince the demo for Why Should I Love You when D&P was released, since it is known to have happened in 1991. My source is Princevault: http://www.princevault.co...ove_You%3F [Edited 5/8/16 10:10am] A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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Yes for sure. | |
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Newpower Soul is more of a Prince album, than Graffiti Bridge is... Discuss.  Actually, I'd rather listen to Newpower Soul than Graffiti Bridge. There is nothing as soul-crushingly awful as the Graffiti Bridge title track, on the Newpower Soul album. | |
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Exodus by NPG | |
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Cloreen said:
. Hey, I don't like that album either. "Love And Anger" is superb, rest of the album never grabbed me. I can't recall why Prince thanked Kate Bush on his "Diamonds And Pearls" album. Was there a working partnership at that time? Was he just a huge fan? I like side one. Side two not so much until that glorious finale (well, on the LP which I never owned). Michael Koppelman gave all the inside dope on Kate and Prince to a Kate Bush fanzine called Homeground. They re-published it in an omnibus book about 18 months ago. It's a fascinating read, an essential insight into Prince right up there with that Rolling Stone 90's article. Koppelman hasn't much positive to say about Prince, and claims he ruins the song, but gives a breakdown of his process. Which, if you read between the lines, just deepens an appreciation for Prince's art. Kate Bush worked on that song for 2 years. Prince for a day. Kate's studio right hand man Del Palmer gave the story from her side too in the same article. Kate's demo was leaked by Koppelman himself so people can decide for themselves. It's stunning. Did Prince improve it? I'm not sure. Did he do something utterly incredible with it? IMHO, absolutely. | |
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I consider NPS part of Ps discography, although u can also place it with the other NPG releases Exodus and Gold N*#@a. I also like the New Power Soul album and theres some strong trax on it. Also the underrated ballad Until Ur In My Arms Again. Also it has some party jams like Push It Up!. | |
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What about Kamasutra? If a man is considered guilty
For what goes on in his mind Then give me the electric chair For all my future crimes" | |
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My other half just bought me a gift whilst grocery shopping - the Newsweek commemorative special.
They have an Album Section. They list 45! The 40 under discussion, plus the first two NPG albums (perhaps since they included NPS), both Madhouse albums (see the NEWS comparison) and both version of Rave (me = 'ouch'). So, um, basically... In Your Face, C-Noters!! EDIT: Elsewhere in a 'Prince by the numbers' section, they quote 39 as the number of studio albums. [Edited 5/8/16 18:44pm] | |
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Of course "Newpower Soul" should count toward 40. I can't believe this is still an issue.
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i suppose a fairer way to say it would be "Albums produced by Prince" (that were officially released).
"In his career Prince produced a staggering amount of albums, a total of xx". | |
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I remember going mad at some guy who kept on calling Dirty Mind and Controversy EP's. [Edited 5/9/16 5:03am] | |
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