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Medican Examiner's Press Release (No Results) I just got an email update (I signed up for alerts) from the Anoka County Medical Examiner. _________________ Posted on: May 5, 2016 PRINCE ROGERS NELSON INVESTIGATION 5-5-16 1415 CDTFOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Martha Weaver Ramsey, MN: Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office has not released any information regarding the Prince Rogers Nelson investigation to anyone, including law enforcement. Results are pending. This is an ongoing investigation in partnership with the Carver County Sheriff’s Office. We will have no further comment at this time. ________________ . The waiting game is torturous. Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. |
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I'm guessing this was in response to the report this morning of a "dangerously low" RBC and Percocet in his system? The waiting really is becoming torturous. I think we're starting to unhinge. | |
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Yup, they just tweeted this too. |
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moderatorThe wait is killing me. I can't deal with all of the stupid rumors and all that junk anymore Forever In My Life, forever in my heart. I love you Prince Rogers Nelson  | |
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Yep.TrivialPursuit said: I just got an email update (I signed up for alerts) from the Anoka County Medical Examiner. _____ Posted on: May 5, 2016 PRINCE ROGERS NELSON INVESTIGATION 5-5-16 1415 CDTFOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Martha Weaver Ramsey, MN: Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office has not released any information regarding the Prince Rogers Nelson investigation to anyone, including law enforcement. Results are pending. This is an ongoing investigation in partnership with the Carver County Sheriff’s Office. We will have no further comment at this time. _____ . The waiting game is torturous. I work at a pathology department, as a research technician/PhD. A typical post mortem examination takes up to two weeks. A typical forensic post mortem can take longer, here's why... As we know, Prince is a high profile celebrity and the world is watching. Medical records have to be recovered and all kinds of experiments are needed, possibly sequences of experiments, to be performed. Some can be done in a day, some may actually take two weeks and one experiment may lead to another and so on. Then the analysis has to be done and conclusions must be drawn based on before mentioned medical data and the figures found in the results. And of course, the police is investigating his case in parallel. So, experiments and legal aspects combined cause why it takes as long as it takes. Just be patient, it will be done very thoroughly. | |
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Are there certain conditions that cannot show up as the cause of death? (ie a seizure, etc)
Also...for example...just because (if) they find certain drug X, Y. Z in his system, does that mean that they will ASSUME that is what killed him? OR..are there ways to find out the concentration of Drug Xyz to make those kinds of assummptions..Or do they take that information and compare it with for example, with the lungs, heart whatever...
Sorry to be blunt, I just had quesitons how the science of this works..
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I'm definitely no pathology expert but I remember when Heath Ledger passed away and his COD was determined to be "acute intoxication of drug X Y and Z" they were able to say that there were "therapeutic levels" of each drug in his system, so they know he didn't overdose on any one of them, but that mixing them had caused a reaction that killed him. (They can read contraindications and see if certain drugs cannot be used together.) So I'm assuming they can tell exactly how much is in the blood and determine based on levels if the drug itself is what killed the individual.
I've also seen it done with alcohol when there is a fatal drunk crash. But I know the pathology employee can give a far better answer than that.  [Edited 5/5/16 12:52pm] | |
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If the press and rumors bother you, just don't read it. Iknow that sounds harsh, but if it bothers you that much pay no attention to the junk. Step back from what is in the press and just look after yourself. For some of us, that is what we need to do. | |
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in dbl speak it means its true..... | |
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Pfff... There are so many things they can find. But believe me, there won't be any assumptions. That is why it takes so long. Just a short disclaimer: I am not a pathologist/MD, so don't hang me if I am not entirely accurate. But I do know some of the standard procedures. The exam is always objective, so there are standard tests like weighing the organs and a global macroscopy of the body. But given the conditions of his sudden death there will probably arise or be some focus points. They have probably looked at his heart for signs of a heart attack or any other disorder/damage. They have probably looked in other vital organs for blood clots. A stroke in the brain, or a lung emboly. Medication can damage the liver and the kidneys, so they will probably look at those organs on a microscopic level (histology) to see whether or not cells or structures are damaged. This may give insight in how long he took meds. And of course, if he was skinny and possibly dehydrated that will also show up by examining the kidneys and liver. Any medication use can also be traced in blood (recent use) or in the hair (long term use). When hair grows, trace amounts of medication can be deposited in the cells. The longer from the hair root trace amounts are found, the longer the use. Hair grows about 1 centimeter per month, so they will divide some hairs in 1 cm pieces for toxicology. He had quite a fro, so it will give good insight. And maybe, a big maybe, they will also test for HIV, to debunk or confirm those rumours. vandeluca said: Are there certain conditions that cannot show up as the cause of death? (ie a seizure, etc)
Also...for example...just because (if) they find certain drug X, Y. Z in his system, does that mean that they will ASSUME that is what killed him? OR..are there ways to find out the concentration of Drug Xyz to make those kinds of assummptions..Or do they take that information and compare it with for example, with the lungs, heart whatever...
Sorry to be blunt, I just had quesitons how the science of this works..
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kapo74 said: Pfff... There are so many things they can find. But believe me, there won't be any assumptions. That is why it takes so long. Just a short disclaimer: I am not a pathologist/MD, so don't hang me if I am not entirely accurate. But I do know some of the standard procedures. The exam is always objective, so there are standard tests like weighing the organs and a global macroscopy of the body. But given the conditions of his sudden death there will probably arise or be some focus points. They have probably looked at his heart for signs of a heart attack or any other disorder/damage. They have probably looked in other vital organs for blood clots. A stroke in the brain, or a lung emboly. Medication can damage the liver and the kidneys, so they will probably look at those organs on a microscopic level (histology) to see whether or not cells or structures are damaged. This may give insight in how long he took meds. And of course, if he was skinny and possibly dehydrated that will also show up by examining the kidneys and liver. Any medication use can also be traced in blood (recent use) or in the hair (long term use). When hair grows, trace amounts of medication can be deposited in the cells. The longer from the hair root trace amounts are found, the longer the use. Hair grows about 1 centimeter per month, so they will divide some hairs in 1 cm pieces for toxicology. He had quite a fro, so it will give good insight. And maybe, a big maybe, they will also test for HIV, to debunk or confirm those rumours. vandeluca said: Are there certain conditions that cannot show up as the cause of death? (ie a seizure, etc)
Also...for example...just because (if) they find certain drug X, Y. Z in his system, does that mean that they will ASSUME that is what killed him? OR..are there ways to find out the concentration of Drug Xyz to make those kinds of assummptions..Or do they take that information and compare it with for example, with the lungs, heart whatever...
Sorry to be blunt, I just had quesitons how the science of this works..
[Edited 5/5/16 12:42pm] Thank you for this. | |
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Don't mention it. I feel aweful for sharing my pathology know how in this context. I really feel sorry for the med examiners team in MPLS, some of them are likely to be Prince fans, living kinda next door and all. It must be so unreal for them. Professionalism is one thing, but examining your idol... Brrr...  | |
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vandeluca said: Are there certain conditions that cannot show up as the cause of death? (ie a seizure, etc)
Also...for example...just because (if) they find certain drug X, Y. Z in his system, does that mean that they will ASSUME that is what killed him? OR..are there ways to find out the concentration of Drug Xyz to make those kinds of assummptions..Or do they take that information and compare it with for example, with the lungs, heart whatever...
Sorry to be blunt, I just had quesitons how the science of this works..
[Edited 5/5/16 12:42pm] Well that's why it takes so long. So say FOR EXAMPLE someone was drinking and then did an "unknown" amount of heroin. They have to know if it was the amount of heroin that killed them or the combo of alcohol and heroin which is super deadly. The extensive testing it what helps determine that. It's very hard to be patient. But we want them to check everything. Maybe he had been taking his pain pills as prescribed but stopped eating and died from complications that anorexic people suffer... Maybe he took tamiflu and the combo was deadly. It's hard cuz the media speculation but no matter what, he's gone and freaking out about why doesn't bring him back. We want someone to blame ... But that isn't helpful either. It was an accident or he was sick. It's hard to deal with and we won't ever fully get over our loss. He meant so much to all of us... I think we are all worried for his legacy. I think he is watching us and amazed how much we care. Maybe he didn't realize that in the flesh because everything gets clouded by money and critics. By the way I am not saying the original poster is freak My out ... I am just responding in general. I love you all and am so grateful for this community right now cause I'd be even more lost without y'all cuz no one I know gets what I (we) are going through. Love you all!!! Surprise, surprise.
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. . My sister was an LPN years ago and she and I were discussing all this and she said that if he'd taken something, or had a condition which caused certain heart arrhythmias, that an irregular heartbeat WOULDN'T necessarily be able to be detected as the cause of death. Other causes of heart attack or heart problem can be found through examination and blood tests and such and concluded to be cause of death, but a fatal abnormal heart rhythm isn't always detectable. Is that true? | |
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. . My sister was an LPN years ago and she and I were discussing all this and she said that if he'd taken something, or had a condition which caused certain heart arrhythmias, that an irregular heartbeat WOULDN'T necessarily be able to be detected as the cause of death. Other causes of heart attack or heart problem can be found through examination and blood tests and such and concluded to be cause of death, but a fatal abnormal heart rhythm isn't always detectable. Is that true? I am not sure, but prolonged tachycardia (racing heart beat) may have exhausted certain energy sources in the myocardial (heart muscle) cells, which could be detected with (enzyme or immuno)histochemical stains on heart tissue samples. And some metabolites in the blood may give an indication of tachycardia. Any other irregular heart beat signals will be hard to detect post mortem, indeed. But again, don't shoot me if I'm wrong. I think the press report will show the general results and conclusions only, the technical details and all blood levels and other numbers may or may not be included. We'll have to wait and see. | |
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. And let me emphasize - EVERYTHING is speculation. . The "I think Prince knew..." or "he did this knowing..." is exhausting. . No, stop right there. We don't know the workings of Prince's mind, despite how much we know about him. He didn't just give up. While I don't want to seem morbid, I'm ready for that autopsy to come out, simply to settle the endless threads on here of speculation, guessing, conjecture, and armchair psychosis. Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. |
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I thought that EVERYONE is equal (nobody is special) when it comes to the law and autopsies etc.. No matter how "high profile" the person is. Hence, the wait. [Edited 5/5/16 14:22pm] | |
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To answer the question, yes, one could have a seizure as mentioned. In right setting, airway not protected or complete cessation of breathing leads to respiratory arrest, subsequent cardiopulmonary arrest and death. Opiods can act in same ways as they are sedatives. You'd not see a gross difference, that's what labs are for. If he had posterior shoulder dislocations, you might then think seizure, but that's a secondary sign. Opioids could cause seizures as well. The million dollar question is what was in his system? Like always, devil in the details and toxicology is coming. Yes, I'm a doctor, only speculating... Cuz baby you shock my wire with sexual electricity extraordinaire | |
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