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Thread started 05/03/16 9:39pm

tollyc

The truth: timeline of events with doctors

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Reply #1 posted 05/03/16 9:46pm

bilbolives

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http://m.startribune.com/...378051471/

Thank you. If only someone had insisted on getting him the help he sought sooner. "May U live 2 see the dawn."--Prince

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Reply #2 posted 05/03/16 9:50pm

babynoz

Already posted in the investigation thread.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #3 posted 05/03/16 9:57pm

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A day too late.... disbelief pissed broken

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Reply #4 posted 05/03/16 10:01pm

beacheemom

I'm not sure to how to say this.... and believe me it's hard to even fathom but I keep hearing "OD'd" on pain medicine. Wouldn't Prince have known to not take so many pills otherwise the obvious could happen? And we know it happened once, and maybe twice? So as hard as this is to even say, explain why this can't be a suicide. I don't mean to offend anyone here by asking this. I'm just trying to understand. I've personally had three suicides in my family so I understand what a delicate subject it is.
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Reply #5 posted 05/03/16 10:04pm

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beacheemom said:

I'm not sure to how to say this.... and believe me it's hard to even fathom but I keep hearing "OD'd" on pain medicine. Wouldn't Prince have known to not take so many pills otherwise the obvious could happen? And we know it happened once, and maybe twice? So as hard as this is to even say, explain why this can't be a suicide. I don't mean to offend anyone here by asking this. I'm just trying to understand. I've personally had three suicides in my family so I understand what a delicate subject it is.

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It sounds like he was addicted and addiction is in the brain (obviously) and makes you think and do crazy things. He probably just had to take more pills...everything in his brain was screaming that he needed more and he rationalized it and assumed he would be ok. At that point, you just want the pain and discomfort to stop. If the article is true, he was probably just way out of control at that point and wasn't his fault because he was physically addicted.

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Reply #6 posted 05/03/16 10:10pm

beacheemom

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beacheemom said:


I'm not sure to how to say this.... and believe me it's hard to even fathom but I keep hearing "OD'd" on pain medicine. Wouldn't Prince have known to not take so many pills otherwise the obvious could happen? And we know it happened once, and maybe twice? So as hard as this is to even say, explain why this can't be a suicide. I don't mean to offend anyone here by asking this. I'm just trying to understand. I've personally had three suicides in my family so I understand what a delicate subject it is.

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It sounds like he was addicted and addiction is in the brain (obviously) and makes you think and do crazy things. He probably just had to take more pills...everything in his brain was screaming that he needed more and he rationalized it and assumed he would be ok. At that point, you just want the pain and discomfort to stop. If the article is true, he was probably just way out of control at that point and wasn't his fault because he was physically addicted.



I can understand that. Heartbreaking. Oh why oh why was he left alone that evening....I will never understand that .
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Reply #7 posted 05/03/16 10:11pm

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beacheemom said:


I'm not sure to how to say this.... and believe me it's hard to even fathom but I keep hearing "OD'd" on pain medicine. Wouldn't Prince have known to not take so many pills otherwise the obvious could happen? And we know it happened once, and maybe twice? So as hard as this is to even say, explain why this can't be a suicide. I don't mean to offend anyone here by asking this. I'm just trying to understand. I've personally had three suicides in my family so I understand what a delicate subject it is.

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It sounds like he was addicted and addiction is in the brain (obviously) and makes you think and do crazy things. He probably just had to take more pills...everything in his brain was screaming that he needed more and he rationalized it and assumed he would be ok. At that point, you just want the pain and discomfort to stop. If the article is true, he was probably just way out of control at that point and wasn't his fault because he was physically addicted.



It really doesn't take much to overdose. One pill could get you. You are in a pretty fragile state after narcan... He should have been in the hospital right away after that. I still don't get why he couldn't have a private room. That sounds suspicious. Hospitals love ya money so there may have been more to that.
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Reply #8 posted 05/03/16 10:12pm

tollyc

beacheemom said:

I'm not sure to how to say this.... and believe me it's hard to even fathom but I keep hearing "OD'd" on pain medicine. Wouldn't Prince have known to not take so many pills otherwise the obvious could happen? And we know it happened once, and maybe twice? So as hard as this is to even say, explain why this can't be a suicide. I don't mean to offend anyone here by asking this. I'm just trying to understand. I've personally had three suicides in my family so I understand what a delicate subject it is.


My heart feels this way as well. This has been going on for several years and I don't think he had the will to break the addiction. So sorry to think this way...either way I am so sad that no one was with him. It's so gatsby like.
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Reply #9 posted 05/03/16 10:15pm

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someone mentioned that the shot he had received in the hospital was blocking the pills effect. This could explain why he may have taken more than prescribed. so upsetting that they were so close to getting him help.

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Reply #10 posted 05/03/16 10:15pm

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beacheemom said:

FunkiestOne said:

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It sounds like he was addicted and addiction is in the brain (obviously) and makes you think and do crazy things. He probably just had to take more pills...everything in his brain was screaming that he needed more and he rationalized it and assumed he would be ok. At that point, you just want the pain and discomfort to stop. If the article is true, he was probably just way out of control at that point and wasn't his fault because he was physically addicted.

I can understand that. Heartbreaking. Oh why oh why was he left alone that evening....I will never understand that .

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Yes that's what makes absolutely zero sense. Maybe he just ordered everyone away from him and they didn't have a choice.

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Reply #11 posted 05/03/16 10:16pm

bashraka

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beacheemom said:

I'm not sure to how to say this.... and believe me it's hard to even fathom but I keep hearing "OD'd" on pain medicine. Wouldn't Prince have known to not take so many pills otherwise the obvious could happen? And we know it happened once, and maybe twice? So as hard as this is to even say, explain why this can't be a suicide. I don't mean to offend anyone here by asking this. I'm just trying to understand. I've personally had three suicides in my family so I understand what a delicate subject it is.

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It sounds like he was addicted and addiction is in the brain (obviously) and makes you think and do crazy things. He probably just had to take more pills...everything in his brain was screaming that he needed more and he rationalized it and assumed he would be ok. At that point, you just want the pain and discomfort to stop. If the article is true, he was probably just way out of control at that point and wasn't his fault because he was physically addicted.

A question I hope will be answered when the toxicology reports come back is, what were the illnesses and physical discomfort he endured? I can emphathize because body pain for a working class person is terrible but it's especially taxing for a performer who performs hours at a time and for decades did dizzingly inventive choreography and concerts. Addiction is serious and I can only imagine Prince's natural restlessness was a hindrance for any long term medical care. Prince was driven to finish that last song, that last album, that last memoir, that concert until it drove his body right to the ground (no pun intended). The Star Tribune article really gave a good overview of the state of affairs for Prince before the 21st.

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Reply #12 posted 05/03/16 10:22pm

Purpleone4Eva

Well, I'm crying again.

If the appointment was scheduled one day earlier, or if he recognized he could not be left alone until he saw the assistant and received buprenorphine, he could be in California right now, getting himself well.

Maybe in some alternate reality the dice rolled differently. sad

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Reply #13 posted 05/03/16 10:22pm

bilbolives

beacheemom said:

FunkiestOne said:

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It sounds like he was addicted and addiction is in the brain (obviously) and makes you think and do crazy things. He probably just had to take more pills...everything in his brain was screaming that he needed more and he rationalized it and assumed he would be ok. At that point, you just want the pain and discomfort to stop. If the article is true, he was probably just way out of control at that point and wasn't his fault because he was physically addicted.

I can understand that. Heartbreaking. Oh why oh why was he left alone that evening....I will never understand that .

Yes, that's the question. On Wednesday night, did Prince insist he was fine? Why didn't whoever dropped him off Wednesday night insist on staying with him and/or getting him help? "I wish U heaven."--Prince

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Reply #14 posted 05/03/16 10:23pm

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F*** f*** f***!!! I'm sorry. I'm just f***ing devastated reading this 😢 😢 😢
How could this have happened??!!??!! How could they have left him alone like that??!!??!! Omg and he was so close to getting help...so close. He deserved a chance to get better. I'm sorry I just in shock and incredibly sad again. This is the very saddest outcome of all the scenarios in my head. I'm so sorry for what he was going thru and that help came too late. It all makes sense now. Everything from the 911 call to just everything. I don't even want to know anymore. That just shattered my heart into a million pieces. It's just not right.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #15 posted 05/03/16 10:26pm

bilbolives

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Well, I'm crying again.

If the appointment was scheduled one day earlier, or if he recognized he could not be left alone until he saw the assistant and received buprenorphine, he could be in California right now, getting himself well.

Maybe in some alternate reality the dice rolled differently. sad

Thank you so much. I am touched by your caring, as I'm sure he would be too. "I wish U heaven."--Prince

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Reply #16 posted 05/03/16 10:28pm

bilbolives

sonshine said:

F*** f*** f***!!! I'm sorry. I'm just f***ing devastated reading this 😢 😢 😢 How could this have happened??!!??!! How could they have left him alone like that??!!??!! Omg and he was so close to getting help...so close. He deserved a chance to get better. I'm sorry I just in shock and incredibly sad again. This is the very saddest outcome of all the scenarios in my head. I'm so sorry for what he was going thru and that help came too late. It all makes sense now. Everything from the 911 call to just everything. I don't even want to know anymore. That just shattered my heart into a million pieces. It's just not right.

Thank you for your deep love for Prince. We all share your pain. Peace un2 u.

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Reply #17 posted 05/03/16 10:42pm

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Well, that just did a number on me. Kinda feel like been punched in the gut. To know it was so close.

But if people around him knew they were dealing with a "grave medical emergency" when they call Dr. Kornfeld on 4/20, then why are they stopping by walgreens, loading him up with meds, then dropping him off alone at PP??! Seriously, I don't care if he fires me, I'd insist someone stay. I'd be the "unwanted female" trespassing on the property, banging a drum outside, pulling fire alarms, etc.
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Reply #18 posted 05/03/16 10:45pm

firebird319

this is just heartbreaking, why was he alone???
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Reply #19 posted 05/03/16 11:04pm

beacheemom

My brain won't stop!!!.
When Prince said , "Save your prayers.... for a couple of days.." did he mean for when he goes into rehab? Or was the call placed to the rehab doctor after the emergency plane landed? Trying to piece it all together. Or- once again I'm sorry- but did he send whoever was with him home that night after Walgreens insisting he be left Ali e because he knew he wasn't getting relief since the save shot and knew that he might possibly have to take more pills than usual in order to get relief and he knew what might happen as a result (death). I'm not familiar with with where the elevator is located. Anyone know? Would he have been just getting in to the complex or what?
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Reply #20 posted 05/03/16 11:08pm

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beacheemom said:

My brain won't stop!!!. When Prince said , "Save your prayers.... for a couple of days.." did he mean for when he goes into rehab? Or was the call placed to the rehab doctor after the emergency plane landed? Trying to piece it all together. Or- once again I'm sorry- but did he send whoever was with him home that night after Walgreens insisting he be left Ali e because he knew he wasn't getting relief since the save shot and knew that he might possibly have to take more pills than usual in order to get relief and he knew what might happen as a result (death). I'm not familiar with with where the elevator is located. Anyone know? Would he have been just getting in to the complex or what?

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I always assumed that he started to feel really bad and didn't want to call 911 for some reason (maybe didn't have cell phone?) and was trying to get downstairs or out of there, via the elevator, but just collapsed in there.

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