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Thread started 05/01/16 11:40pm

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Is Art Official Age more deserving of being Prince's swansong than Hit'n'Run?


I should note that I still do not own the Hit'n'Run albums so everything i'm about to say might be undone upon hearing those albums.
I've just finished listening to this album and, at least to me, this album is to Prince what Black Star is to David Bowie. That is, a thematic and tonal foreshadowing that the work is indeed his swansong. Even the coverart seems to have the relevant overtones. But lyrically, tracks like Clouds, This Could Be Us, Way Back Home, and Time along with the Affirmation interludes seem to serve as a farewell of sorts. It's almost as though Prince, though i'm sure he wasn't, to close the book on his legacy in the same way Bowie did back in January with Blackstar. Not to mention the way it brings together a lot of the sounds he worked with over his career.

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Reply #1 posted 05/01/16 11:49pm

Thizz

his next album would've been his 40th album

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Reply #2 posted 05/01/16 11:55pm

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Oh wow! I wonder if that was in the pipeline.

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Reply #3 posted 05/02/16 12:37am

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It doesn't really matter whether or not AOA is more deserving, it will never be his final album.

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Reply #4 posted 05/02/16 12:41am

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Hitnrun Phase II ends with Prince saying, "that's it", and as sad as it is, that's a hell of a way to end it.

RIP sad
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Reply #5 posted 05/02/16 1:00am

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MattyJam said:

It doesn't really matter whether or not AOA is more deserving, it will never be his final album.



Yes if you think of the HNR releases as some kind of anthology serie.

Think about it.... tracks already released, remixes, old unreleased tunes remade....
I look at HNR like I can look at 1998 Crystal Ball or at "Oldfriends 4 Sale... The Vault".

So as I said in another thread, I also think AOA is really P's final and swansong album.

The last proper album, thematically and musically.

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Reply #6 posted 05/02/16 1:27am

EmmaMcG

HitnRun Phase One is pretty bad by Prince standards. However, there are still some gems on it. 1000 Hugs and Kisses and June are really good.
Phase Two is really good. Its not perfect. There's 3 songs that I have to skip (Baltimore, RnR Affair and Screwdriver) but the rest of the album is really good.
It would be impossible to pick out any album and say that it's a suitable ending point for a career like Prince's, but Phase Two is as good as any, in that regard.
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Reply #7 posted 05/02/16 3:38am

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I really like Hit 'N' Run Phase One.

It's my favourite album of his since Musicology.

You know, it sounds like an album, rather than a collection of random tracks. It had a very cohesive feeling.

Yes, it's very poppy, but I was glad he was trying something new. As a venture into contemporary Pop, it's more successful than something like Madonna's MDNA album.
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Reply #8 posted 05/02/16 3:52am

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BoraBora said:

MattyJam said:

It doesn't really matter whether or not AOA is more deserving, it will never be his final album.



Yes if you think of the HNR releases as some kind of anthology serie.

Think about it.... tracks already released, remixes, old unreleased tunes remade....
I look at HNR like I can look at 1998 Crystal Ball or at "Oldfriends 4 Sale... The Vault".

So as I said in another thread, I also think AOA is really P's final and swansong album.

The last proper album, thematically and musically.

Agreed. I like the HNRs a lot, but I dont see them as proper albums. They're collections of the odds and ends he's thrown out over the last few years. I would like to see more in the series. It'd be a great way to release the outtakes. AOA was the last true album.

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Reply #9 posted 05/02/16 4:22am

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Yes.

Personally, I considered AOA a return to the standards of 3121. A long way from his peak, but better than a run of albums that I'd have to label poor following in between the two. And, to be bluntly honest, HNR was another dip in that direction.

I'm glad his final album at least kicked off with Baltimore, which was majestically produced.
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Reply #10 posted 05/02/16 4:26am

DiscoBallz

AOA was a ghastly album. HitNRun1 was ghastly as well. I like HNR2, but unfortunately it was evidently too late.

The lack of material from 2010-2014 was deafening and to be welcomed back with 2 horrible albums was distressing. Glad HNR2 serves as a bit of a hail mary.

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Reply #11 posted 05/02/16 4:50am

vladimir

Yes; for my money it's the final masterpiece album.

With that said I have to agree that the line "That's it" is quite an ending to HNRP2 in hindsight.

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Reply #12 posted 05/02/16 5:10am

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DiscoBallz said:

AOA was a ghastly album. HitNRun1 was ghastly as well. I like HNR2, but unfortunately it was evidently too late.

The lack of material from 2010-2014 was deafening and to be welcomed back with 2 horrible albums was distressing. Glad HNR2 serves as a bit of a hail mary.

All three albums are pretty bad and ultimately forgettable. That's ok though and P was doing the best he could at the time. He has more incredible songs over his career than any other artist and probably by a factor of 5 or 10, when you include the unreleased ones.

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Reply #13 posted 05/02/16 6:18am

BoraBora

FunkiestOne said:

All three albums are pretty bad and ultimately forgettable.



Well, as ever it's a matter of taste.

While I agree that Hnr1 is a weak collection of tracks (I still save only 4 of them), I find HnR2 more consistent and all in all really good (not a masterpiece, but really good).

Regarding AOA, I honestly think it is the best P album of the entire 2010-2016.

Yes, it has its faults (the unnecessary and intrubsive inclusion of FunknRoll, to say one) but it stands up as the more complex and inspired of this late era of P releases.


Just my opinion.


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Reply #14 posted 05/02/16 6:28am

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AhPook said:

Agreed. I like the HNRs a lot, but I dont see them as proper albums. They're collections of the odds and ends he's thrown out over the last few years. I would like to see more in the series. It'd be a great way to release the outtakes. AOA was the last true album.


But even though HNRP1 was somewhat of a compilation, it really does sound like a cohesive album. It really flows well.

Maybe that has something to do with Josh Welton (re?)producing it. You know, like it was made to sound like it was all from the same emotional place & time.

I don't think that AOA flows as well as HNRP1. Even if AOA was recorded as a specific set of songs for a specific album release, it just doesn't gel as a whole.
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Reply #15 posted 05/02/16 6:29am

FUNKYNESS

I prefer AOA be the swan song. I posed a similar question about Hit n Run being the last thing remebered from him and was roundly attacked here for even mentioning it. AOA was a Prince album. HitnRun 1 will sound like an aging Prince and some unqualified and too young "producer" trying to get back on charts and in the clubs.

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Reply #16 posted 05/02/16 6:36am

BoraBora

GirlBrother said:

I don't think that AOA flows as well as HNRP1. Even if AOA was recorded as a specific set of songs for a specific album release, it just doesn't gel as a whole.

The only thing out of place in AOA is "FunkNRoll".

This apart, I think it flows really well, musically and thematically.

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Reply #17 posted 05/02/16 2:00pm

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AOA is, deservedly so, his final mainstream release.

The HnR releases are, as someone else said, no different than The Vault release it would appear.

However, I seem to recall comments attributed to Prince that you're only as good as your last release. It's sad that Phase Two was it.

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