Whatever you say, chief.

TheGhostlyNun said:

No matter what happens with regards to unreleased music, whether released via a bona fide record label or not, any Prince material released from now on will be unauthorised by the man himself and will therefore be considered a bootleg. I will welcome them for listening purposes, but they will never be official releases, no matter who distributes them.

Don't matter to me. If it's good I'll buy it. The second Michael Jackson album after his death, "Xscape", was terrific. Fans that whine about someone else'slegacy give me a laugh.

Well it's possible he has finished albums he was planning to release someday.

homesquid said:

sro100 said:

If Free Ur Self and Hit n Run Phase Three come out, It doesn't matter what you label them. The music stays the same.

SquirrelMeat said:

TheGhostlyNun said:

TheGhostlyNun said:

SquirrelMeat said:

If Free Ur Self and Hit n Run Phase Three come out, It doesn't matter what you label them. The music stays the same.

Free Urself has already been released with Prince's blessing on Tidal. Not a bootleg as it had an official release via the artist. Any release of a Phase 3 would be without the artist's approval, so cannot be anything but a bootleg,

I mean the potential of the Free Ureself album. Regardless, you can label them bootleg, official, or whatever. It doesn't change the music.

Hit N Run 2 will always be the last album while we was alive, but so what?

And what about the live Altanta album? Prince announced it 2 weeks ago, but its not out yet. Is that a bootleg? We'll never know if it would have come out under P's watch.

TheGhostlyNun said:

homesquid said:

Don't matter to me. If it's good I'll buy it. The second Michael Jackson album after his death, "Xscape", was terrific. Fans that whine about someone else'slegacy give me a laugh.

If you think Xscape was terrific, then that kind of tells us all we need to know on your opinion on respecting an artists work.

Your opinion could not mean less to me.

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TheGhostlyNun said:

Please keep it a bit civilized people.

I get the point of the OP. About terminology, bootleg means illegal. We will be talking about posthumous releases when the release is authorized by whoever owns the legal rights. Official bootleg is a gimmick.

TheGhostlyNun said:

TheGhostlyNun said:

No matter what happens with regards to unreleased music, whether released via a bona fide record label or not, any Prince material released from now on will be unauthorised by the man himself and will therefore be considered a bootleg. I will welcome them for listening purposes, but they will never be official releases, no matter who distributes them.

go to the wikipedia page for the discography of a deceased artist

notice that separate section that says "posthumously released" - Ya, that's a separate section intended to create a distinction between the albums the artist released while alive and the albums that were put together after the artist died

example . .

Makaveli 22 = Bootleg

Until the End of Time = official album

see how that works? carry on

TheGhostlyNun said:

No matter what happens with regards to unreleased music, whether released via a bona fide record label or not, any Prince material released from now on will be unauthorised by the man himself and will therefore be considered a bootleg. I will welcome them for listening purposes, but they will never be official releases, no matter who distributes them.

Hello darling. Yes you are correct!

If vault recordings are ever released, they'd better not be touched in any way other than assembling in date order, 12 at a time...

TheGhostlyNun said:

sro100 said:

Well it's possible he has finished albums he was planning to release someday.

True, but ultimately he didn't. So we can never know if it's what he would have wanted. And if they are released, it'll be on someone else's terms.

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A live release of the 2nd Atlanta show would be "official" as Prince mentioned wanting to put that out as a live album.

Sadly it may be years before we see any new offical released music, since Prince didn't have an will. His family will be fighting for ownership of Prince's music for an long time. Bootlegs is the safe bet in the meantime.

God its all soo depressing. It might be better for them to all agree to sell his cataloge and unreleased recording and videos to Warners or another huge company like Disney. Take a wad of money then run. And then we might see some stuff coming out in some kind of professional order.

I see where the OP is coming from, I actually had the same thought.

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It's possible that whole unreleased albums that were compiled by Prince get a release and those would at least acquire a certain level of canonicity: things such as The Flesh, Madrid 2 Chicago, the 2 Madhouse 24 albums, Milk & Honey or Margie Cox' album for example. We don't know how many of those exist. Unedited live shows could also be considered canon to a certain extent.

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Other studio albums that would be compilation made without Prince would not be the products of his minds

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Now when it comes to "official", it means released by whomever is legally entitled to do so. 94 East material for example was never endorsed by Prince for release and nonetheless official. There are some (but few) other ambiguious cases in P's discography, things that are official but that he didn't personally endorse (for example certain things released or streamed by former associates without P's direct consent, but since the music was "theirs" too, it could be considered official). Whomever ends-up legally owning the vault will be entitled to release "official" posthumous material. The first posthumous material has already been made available with SNL's broadcast of the previously unaired Let's Go Crazy per4mance. NBC owned the right to the video but Prince hadn't approved of its airing.

TheGhostlyNun said:

SquirrelMeat said:

And what about the live Altanta album? Prince announced it 2 weeks ago, but its not out yet. Is that a bootleg? We'll never know if it would have come out under P's watch.

I wonder if we're actually now more likely to see the Purple Rain remaster with bonus stuff. I suspect so.

I didn't think of it that way, but you have a point because all the music will not be released by Prince at this point. An release that Tyka deems "official" is not really moreso than some leaked songs that a band member allows to surface and circulate.

I get a bit of a bad taste in my mouth about how people will take advantage of his death. I just hope it's done with respect, and that they to their best ability will serve his wishes, and also support whatever he was supporting.

antonb said:

TheGhostlyNun said:

No matter what happens with regards to unreleased music, whether released via a bona fide record label or not, any Prince material released from now on will be unauthorised by the man himself and will therefore be considered a bootleg. I will welcome them for listening purposes, but they will never be official releases, no matter who distributes them.

I couldnt agree more. As a Prince purist since the beginning, I only regard those recordings that I know are the way Prince wanted them released. People are going to fuck over his catalog and release things the way they think it should be released - people of "a different persuasion" (to paraphrase Prince from the classic BET interview); people who dont care about Prince - just the money that can be made.

sro100 said:

Well it's possible he has finished albums he was planning to release someday.

Sure it is - but how do we know? You think those who will manage the posthumous releases are going to tell us otherwise? And Prince was known to go back and make changes just before releasing new material. We will never know if anything in the can now would be exactly how he wanted out in the world.

NorthC said:

TheGhostlyNun said:

No matter what happens with regards to unreleased music, whether released via a bona fide record label or not, any Prince material released from now on will be unauthorised by the man himself and will therefore be considered a bootleg.
I will welcome them for listening purposes, but they will never be official releases, no matter who distributes them.

Do you consider all posthumous Jimi Hendrix and Marvin Gaye (to name just two) bootlegs??

They have to figure out which were songs he had planned to release, and which ones were earmarked for proteges. There might have been songs dropped from albums just because they didn't fit, and maybe were too long and had to compromise and edit them down. We have no idea how many unreleased 12" mixes he wanted to put out there but maybe Warners didn't feel the same way.

Every album had a lot of planning around it so there's going to be sketches, track listings, and all sorts of ideas he had planned to use, that he might not have been able to at the time. I'm sure the fans want to see this and in due time, will. As long as there was nothing personal in there, I'm sure he would have shared it. We'll probably see a "scrapbook".

He didn't want greatest hits albums but they're officially out there. He didn't want to edit his babies for radio, but he did. Plus all the 12" versions that weren't put out on CD because of his Warners war.