interesting

the whole '20Ten deluxe' could then expand on the album and take off the track

he didn't want on there anymore.

kinda like the Rave In2 edition doesn't have 1 or 2 tracks from Un2 but has one
or two others/remixes.

Except that he mentioned a deluxe edition was coming after the cover mount was released, so, this doesn't quite make sense to me...

And next thing u know he wanted to release 20ten Deluxe...

Hard to say what happened but the record was released by so many different magazines I think it may have been an issue P had with the Mirror rather than with the album itself?

Thing is we have a shitload of stories about the first 10 to 15 years because musicians and engineers and other collaborators spoke, while later they were stuck by confidentiality agreements. Now anyone can speak and hopefully the next few years will see an amazing amount of information and stories appearing in regards to P's later career. Imagine getting as much info about 1996-2016 sessions as we do about 1978-1995 (and already there's less data when it comes to the early 90's).

databank said:

And next thing u know he wanted to release 20ten Deluxe...

Hard to say what happened but the record was released by so many different magazines I think it may have been an issue P had with the Mirror rather than with the album itself?

Thing is we have a shitload of stories about the first 10 to 15 years because musicians and engineers and other collaborators spoke, while later they were stuck by confidentiality agreements. Now anyone can speak and hopefully the next few years will see an amazing amount of information and stories appearing in regards to P's later career. Imagine getting as much info about 1996-2016 sessions as we do about 1978-1995 (and already there's less data when it comes to the early 90's).

Aww sh1t! Hadn't though of that. I already have (and have read) about 15 bios, but you're right, there will be more... (and of course I'll have to check them all out cuz I'm obsessive like that).

MinorG said:

So 20ten was almost a second black album!

Fun analogy, but let's remember that Prince pulled The Black Album because he thought it was evil, he saw God, and had a spiritual experience that led him to black its release, and then record Lovesexy. To want to pull one song off of 20Ten seems a bit different. Apples and oranges I suppose. But I do wonder which song he didn't want on there. I don't quite go with the "Everybody Loves Me", because he's had braggadocio songs before ("Cream").

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"Laydown" is a gem. Let's hope it's not that one.

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By the way, if you take out the lyrics on "Lavaux", the basics of that track sounds like a Time track. The synths, the bass, the guitar.

MinorG said:

So 20ten was almost a second black album!

Except TBA is great and 20Ten sounds like half a dozen stones in a cement mixer.

DFUNK said:

used to think 20ten was his worst album. about 2 years ago it finally clicked with me. glad it did

I was playing this record a lot yesterday, and I still really like it. Not a bad song in the bunch. Yes, even Everybody Loves Me, which I now picture him singing from beyond.

TrivialPursuit said:

MinorG said:

So 20ten was almost a second black album!

Fun analogy, but let's remember that Prince pulled The Black Album because he thought it was evil, he saw God, and had a spiritual experience that led him to black its release, and then record Lovesexy. To want to pull one song off of 20Ten seems a bit different. Apples and oranges I suppose. But I do wonder which song he didn't want on there. I don't quite go with the "Everybody Loves Me", because he's had braggadocio songs before ("Cream").

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"Laydown" is a gem. Let's hope it's not that one.

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By the way, if you take out the lyrics on "Lavaux", the basics of that track sounds like a Time track. The synths, the bass, the guitar.

Couldn't have been Laydown for 2 reasons:
1) He allowed an extended version to be "released" via the 3rdEyeGirl "Bootleg4Dayz" experiment

B) He played it on Lopez

I thought that this and Planet Earth had great opening sequences of songs, then lost the vibe past the halfway point, but that's not to say I didn't like some tracks in the latte rhalfs of the albums.

I love when he throws in a song to bug like "Everybody Loves Me". I used this once as a temp song for the end credits to a comedy movie some high schoolers made called "Bindlestiffs"...

that was then got bought for distibution by Kevin Smith... who made an entire documentary on Prince and Rainbow Children that's in the vault...

Oh the circles of Prince in life!

TrivialPursuit said:

MinorG said:

So 20ten was almost a second black album!

Fun analogy, but let's remember that Prince pulled The Black Album because he thought it was evil, he saw God, and had a spiritual experience that led him to black its release, and then record Lovesexy. To want to pull one song off of 20Ten seems a bit different. Apples and oranges I suppose. But I do wonder which song he didn't want on there. I don't quite go with the "Everybody Loves Me", because he's had braggadocio songs before ("Cream").

.

"Laydown" is a gem. Let's hope it's not that one.

.

By the way, if you take out the lyrics on "Lavaux", the basics of that track sounds like a Time track. The synths, the bass, the guitar.

According to some sources, Lavaux is based on an unknown, uncirculating early 80's outtake.

Should'a pulled the last two.

20Ten *should have* been great since it was an unabashed return to his classic era. The songs just aren't there. I've tried so hard to like it. I have it on right now.

databank said:

homesquid said:

20Ten *should have* been great since it was an unabashed return to his classic era. The songs just aren't there. I've tried so hard to like it. I have it on right now.

it needed just a few more songs to be great. but i don't really like, or well i can't really
get into "compassion" and then it ends so weird, plus that hidden track added on etc.

with another opening track and 2 strong closing tracks it would be a great album imo.

i know many people hate the track but i love "Rich Friends" which was supposed to go
on the 20Ten deluxe, wasn't it? that track is so great, there's so much going on in it, i
love it start to finish.

20Ten is atrocious.

I like 20TEN a lot & rate it as one of his most interesting post-1993 records, along with The Undertaker, TV:OFfS, and The Rainbow Children.

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

Well at least it seems to be heavily based on the Pointer Sister's 'Automatic. Very catchy tune though!

OMG I never picked up on that, and "Automatic" was one of my favorite songs from the girls.

Databank said:

According to some sources, Lavaux is based on an unknown, uncirculating early 80's outtake.

That would make great sense. It certainly has that sensibility. It makes me think it's what The Time would sound like today, if Prince produced them again. (Although Condensate is killer on their own.)

Notwithstanding one or two good songs, 20Ten is best forgotten. Come to think of it, I can't seem to locate my copy.

[Edited 5/1/16 15:47pm]

there were about 15 tracks he was jumping between, walk in the sand could have been replaced with another track, the tracklisting was finalised very late. he wanted to re-arrange the tracklist but the cd sleeves had been printed and he was in danger of serious breach of contract. rich friends was on the album until the last minute before it was replaced with Beggining endlessly

RumAndRaisin said:

there were about 15 tracks he was jumping between, walk in the sand could have been replaced with another track, the tracklisting was finalised very late. he wanted to re-arrange the tracklist but the cd sleeves had been printed and he was in danger of serious breach of contract. rich friends was on the album until the last minute before it was replaced with Beggining endlessly

interesting!

i'm glad we got "beginning endlessly" but i would have loved for "rich friends" to have been
included as well.

i wonder what the other candidates for inclusion were. any idea?

IstenSzek said:

it needed just a few more songs to be great. but i don't really like, or well i can't really
get into "compassion" and then it ends so weird, plus that hidden track added on etc.

I've never heard of "Rich Friends".

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I put "Cause and Effect" before "Compassion", and "Hot Summer" before "Laydown". They work well in there.

MinorG said:

In the souvenir tribute the Mirror put together there is an interesting tidbit in one of the articles. The writer was a journalist for the Mirror who was invited to Paisley Park so the main article describes this, but it ends as follows: 'A few days later, on returning to London, I got a clearer idea of why he had managed to fall out with so many people in the entertainment industry. Prince, who was renowned as a perfectionist, tried to force us to scrap the album - apparently because he had gone off one of the tracks - but the cds had already been pressed and we had watertight contracts.' So 20ten was almost a second black album! Which song do you think prince had a change of heart over? Everybody loves me? Never heard this info before, it may explain why 20ten never got a USA release.

Was it only One song that he didn't want 2 release or the whole cd?

Can i purchase 20Ten online?