If Prince has specific wishes for what happened to vault material, he had plenty of resources and connections to legally outline his wishes. He was a smart man and spent more than half his life chasing ownership of his recordings, which thankfully happened within his lifetime. If control/ownership meant something to him after his time on earth, he could have easily made that known in a will.
. Don't misunderstand my tone - it could sound like I'm "blaming" Prince, that it's his fault that this is an issue now. Quite contrary, I think the fact that he did NOT leave a will or any specific instructions regarding unreleased material is because he saw no value focusing energy into that kind of thinking. "Someone" will release it, he said. Perhaps that's a window into his mindset that after his death, it didn't matter to him. He was at peace with his soul, had a relationship with God, and earthly properties would matter nothing to him once his life was over. . The worst part about it is the legal and financial mess it left for his family to work through. It must be exhausting and will take months or years to iron out. [Edited 4/30/16 6:04am] Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/ | |
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That's a very good point. I still think it odd he wouldn't have communicated at some point which person/people would be suitable for overseeing it. | |
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Prince's entire estate must be appraised and valued, so that the estate tax can be calculated. This is a law and the IRS will enforce it, I promise. | |
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The vault being opened is inevitable. The question is how the music will be distributed. Hopefully the right hands will handle the music with the respect it deserves. | |
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Shockedelicus said: The vault being opened is inevitable. The question is how the music will be distributed. Hopefully the right hands will handle the music with the respect it deserves. The ultimate question is, what is the correct level of respect? Yours, mine, someone who was close to P? For me, the bottom line is that unless the person who made the piece of art oversees its release, it can never be allowed the right level of care. That doesn't just mean not allowing enough, it also means providing too much. Finding the right balance is a delicacy only its artist can truly understand. | |
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It's being handled by Top Men (I hope they don't mean Jacko's old man):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoy4_h7Pb3M | |
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The premise of this thread seems to disregard everything Prince has indicated on the subject.
Furthermore - common sense would indidcate the following. If he didn't want them released he would have disposted of them. Not kept them safely preserved in a vault | |
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I'm just relieved Prince didn't have a will ordering the destruction of the vault contents upon his death. I seriously expected that given how protective he was of his work. If he didn't want WB handling his work while he was alive, to me it seemed unlikely to have the material distributed without his supervision. | |
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Thizz said: The premise of this thread seems to disregard everything Prince has indicated on the subject.
Furthermore - common sense would indidcate the following. If he didn't want them released he would have disposted of them. Not kept them safely preserved in a vault Even though I've spoken respectively about other fans opinions and tried to argue my point without being aggressive or trying to be superior, that's the final conclusion you come to, that I wilfully want to disregard P's wishes? Whoever said the art of reading was dead. | |
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kano said: NorthC said: That's right. He never said anything about destroying. If that was his wish, why keep those recordings in a vault in the first place? The music should be released for a number of reasons: -It will help us fans and the general public to remember him as the great artist he is. (Can't bring myself to say "was") -If Tyka and the family don't do it, bootleggers will. -What's the point of keeping those recordings locked up for all eternity? That will only cost money. -If Paisley Park is to become a museum, then money needs to be made! Personally I think this is all more about what we want to hear, than want Prince himself would have wanted. Just because there is no comment made before he unexpectedly passed, doesn't mean the opposite course of action should be taken. If no instruction is left, then leave it alone! Prince spent half his career trying to gain control of his work and controlling how and where it was heard. He expected to live and long and healthy life until this tragedy. I'm sure he had his own plans but if they are not expressed, do we make our own assumptions or base them on his actions while alive? [Edited 4/30/16 5:11am] Well the body Bible says dead men have no plans, and he believed in that. So there you go. No matter the ©️, Paisley Park "official can never ™️ . He gave that to us verbally on Oprah in 1996. You can't take away from us, corporate. I mean O ( + > | |
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Speaking of reading comprehension
Which part of this do you not understand
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It will be released and marketed properly because the estate needs the revenue the music will generate. Prince also probably has thousdands of hours of footage from his shows. | |
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RodeoSchro said: Prince's entire estate must be appraised and valued, so that the estate tax can be calculated. This is a law and the IRS will enforce it, I promise. :yeahthat: 'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything. | |
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its just a shame he didnt release more of the vault when he was alive . | |
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****Personal opinion alert****
1. It is inevitable that as Prince fans many of us are salivating at the prospect of finally getting our hands on material from the fabled and much touted (by Prince himself) Vault. 2. It does seem a bit hasty for us to be be discussing it with our man only so recently gone...but again human nature. The Vault was synonymous with Prince so again inevitable. 3. I think it is inevitable that the estate will do something to release vault material but I really hope this is very carefully planned and treated with due respect. Hopefully they will see this as a long term project that should be done carefully to protect Prince's legacy. 4. Prince himself made it clear the music and other material in the Vault would come out at some point. Probably after his death. I think the Rolling Stone interview that we will see published in the next edition contained instructions...he liked time capsule stuff and referenced completed Revolution and Time albums. 5. I do not want anything touched apart from cleaning up tape hiss etc and engineer type stuff... No producer meddling. Certainly no remixes by the latest hot producer. Prince always produced himself and was renown for recording a song from start to finish in a single studio session. So the songs in the vault will for the most part be pretty complete. So they should be released as a snapshot of that time period. 6. Saying all that it is very interesting that in the last couple of years Prince allowed Josh to co-produce. Something that NEVER happened before. Why? Perhaps there is an argument Josh should finish things off BUT personally I hope not. 7. I say yes to vault releases but I would prefer to wait and give the estate an appropriate amount of time to do it properly and with the right level of reverence and respect. Do not open the flood gates but judicially package up some amazing releases to come out periodically. Oh and final point...personally I really really hope they do not exploit the publishing rights and see Prince's songs plastered all over adverts etc. That would be awful. [Edited 5/2/16 0:47am] 'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything. | |
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kano said: Shockedelicus said: The vault being opened is inevitable. The question is how the music will be distributed. Hopefully the right hands will handle the music with the respect it deserves. The ultimate question is, what is the correct level of respect? Yours, mine, someone who was close to P? For me, the bottom line is that unless the person who made the piece of art oversees its release, it can never be allowed the right level of care. That doesn't just mean not allowing enough, it also means providing too much. Finding the right balance is a delicacy only its artist can truly understand. Getting 'the right people' is also about adding value. If a faceless organisation releases everything as is, that would be quite valuable (mostly for us fans), but if they say here is 'Dream Factory' executive produced by Wendy & Lisa (for example) that's worth a lot more in a marketing sense. That's a huge news cycle in mainstream culture media, and therefore it will sell more to a wider audience. So, whoever does release this music will be looking at getting all sorts of input, from certain respected authority figures, to add commercial value. | |
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NME01 said: kano said: The ultimate question is, what is the correct level of respect? Yours, mine, someone who was close to P? For me, the bottom line is that unless the person who made the piece of art oversees its release, it can never be allowed the right level of care. That doesn't just mean not allowing enough, it also means providing too much. Finding the right balance is a delicacy only its artist can truly understand. Getting 'the right people' is also about adding value. If a faceless organisation releases everything as is, that would be quite valuable (mostly for us fans), but if they say here is 'Dream Factory' executive produced by Wendy & Lisa (for example) that's worth a lot more in a marketing sense. That's a huge news cycle in mainstream culture media, and therefore it will sell more to a wider audience. So, whoever does release this music will be looking at getting all sorts of input, from certain respected authority figures, to add commercial value. I think it would be more valuable if it is promoted as 'The music as Prince intended it' - sort of like a directors cut. The wooh is on the one! | |
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Thizz said:
Speaking of reading comprehension
Which part of this do you not understand
I've already discussed that earlier in the thread. And given your snobbish tone, I definitely won't be doing so again with you. | |
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