Or are we overrating a little the stuff that P hasn't released

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I don't know, I've heard a couple of those songs (Moonbeam Levels, Purple Music, All My Dreams) and they're good but not THAT good. For instance, The Crystall Ball album and Old Friends 4 Sale which were previously unreleased material had some good tracks but overall they were underwhelming, in my opinion. C'mon, not everything that Prince touches turns to gold lol

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I don't want 2 listen 2 anymore leaked demos. I'd rather wait around until someone polishes all these records and releases them for the public

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Unless there are any songs i CANNOT for the love of my life miss!!

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Worthy?

Many of them, YES!!

Sorry, but I would LOVE for some cleaned up versions of those songs to be released. Along with "Data Bank", "Cookie Jar", "Climax", "Vibrator".

Again, we dont need anyone reworking this music, anything in the vault needs to be released as is, any other way taints the music and would be disrespectful to Prince. If its a demo, its a demo......remember Last Heart? That song was a demo from the vault, untouched and thrown on Crystal Ball. There are surely MANY demos in there. Prince would tpyically work a song to a certain point, if he knew he was not going to use it on anything at that time or in the near future, it would be put in the vault, lacking overdubs (ie. horns, orchestration, additional vocals, etc.)

Anything being released this way is A-OK with me. I am interested in the music as he left it, not as something reworked by anyone else, I don't care how close they were to Prince.

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I'm no expert on the Vault, but I think it's important to remember an artist might withhold tracks not because they're bad, but because they don't fit the concept, or time restrictions, or overall sequence of an album (especially back when vinyl kept a record at two 22 minute sides). For instance, I can understand why Prince didn't release the Camille record as it was - innovative as it would be, that could have really alienated listeners, whether for its gender politics or just an abundance of pitch-adjusted vocals (critics often slam albums that use the same production tricks on every track). Yet we know the individual tracks kick ass. Aren't "Extraloveable," "Lust U Always" and "Big Tall Wall"...er... controversial? That doesn't mean they're not good tracks, but maybe not something Prince wanted released at the time.

SPYZFAN1 said:

"Cookie Jar"

OMG! a cleaned up, pristine version of this would be EVERYTHING!

it's simply not loud and deep enough as we have it now. i need to be able
to put that on and feel it beat me in the chest

as this song proves, at least for me, it's not always prince's BEST or his
most AMAZING material that is the most enjoyable. there are songs you
might call 'cast offs' or whatever, but which are such fun and have such a
cool groove that you can just listen to them endlessly.

I love it too IstenSzek. It does need to be louder (IMHO)..."Moonbeam Levels" and "Electric Intercourse" need to be cleaned up too. I'm really hoping that the Miles Davis album, The Revolution recordings, The Rebels and the "rock side of the Time" albums see the light of day.

IstenSzek said:

SPYZFAN1 said:

"Cookie Jar"

OMG! a cleaned up, pristine version of this would be EVERYTHING!

it's simply not loud and deep enough as we have it now. i need to be able
to put that on and feel it beat me in the chest

as this song proves, at least for me, it's not always prince's BEST or his
most AMAZING material that is the most enjoyable. there are songs you
might call 'cast offs' or whatever, but which are such fun and have such a
cool groove that you can just listen to them endlessly.

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This + In A Large Room With No Light, pristine quality...ugh.

As history shows, no, we won't be getting high quality unreleased material.

Think of any band or artist that has material released after their demise. Can you come up with one song that matches the highest quality of their released work? Even The Beatles with their highly anticipated "Anthology" series demonstrated that unreleased stuff is unreleased for a reason.

Will we get a decent song or two from Prince's vault? Of course. But to expect groundbreaking, life changing music that we've already experienced would be wrong.

the original "large room with no light"

so good!

and to think, those are some of the very very good songs that we *know* about.
there's bound to be a whole lot that we've never even heard about.

unlike quite a few other people on here, i am equally excited for a possible future
release of an album like "Madrid 2 Chicago" or any other album he recorded when
he went with the name.

any period really, they all had their own certain something.

Well...one can fantasize right? ...Janie Hendrix surprised me (pleasantly) with some of things that were released for Jimi. Hopefully we'll receive the same or better for our boy.

There's people who are going to say everything is worthy of release, but it's going to depend on a lot of things. I just want songs restored if he had to chop them down to fit on an LP or CD at the time. He recorded more than wound up on the album, at least from 1999 on. I don't know about the first 3.

Cloreen said:

As history shows, no, we won't be getting high quality unreleased material.

Think of any band or artist that has material released after their demise. Can you come up with one song that matches the highest quality of their released work? Even The Beatles with their highly anticipated "Anthology" series demonstrated that unreleased stuff is unreleased for a reason.

Will we get a decent song or two from Prince's vault? Of course. But to expect groundbreaking, life changing music that we've already experienced would be wrong.

Disagree, even Prince himself said his best stuff is in the vault. Someone citing Moonbeam levels is the prime example of the quality that is in there. He also said there are thousands of songs, not hundreds as the media is reporting.

whoever will be in charge of the Vault could easily put together a 3 disc album with the best outtakes that would have its place amongst P's best releases

personally I'm in favor of releasing all outtakes though, whether it be through reissues of his back catalogue with added outtakes or through a few boxsets consisting of outtakes only

leadline said:

i like many outtakes more than tracks that appeared on released albums like Purple Rain or Sign o' the Times.

For example, I like and have listened to Rebirth of the Flesh a lot more than It or Slow Love.

Love "Neon Telephone". Someone earlier mentioned that ("allegedly'') there may be a sequel record to "1999" in the vault (??)...Would love to hear that.

leadline said:

Again, we dont need anyone reworking this music, anything in the vault needs to be released as is, any other way taints the music and would be disrespectful to Prince. If its a demo, its a demo......remember Last Heart? That song was a demo from the vault, untouched and thrown on Crystal Ball. There are surely MANY demos in there. Prince would tpyically work a song to a certain point, if he knew he was not going to use it on anything at that time or in the near future, it would be put in the vault, lacking overdubs (ie. horns, orchestration, additional vocals, etc.)

Anything being released this way is A-OK with me. I am interested in the music as he left it, not as something reworked by anyone else, I don't care how close they were to Prince.

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Agreed!

Many here complained when he went into the vault and reworked tracks. Imagine our reaction if someone else does it...

Keep em pure. We can take it!!

ufoclub said:

i like many outtakes more than tracks that appeared on released albums like Purple Rain or Sign o' the Times.

For example, I like and have listened to Rebirth of the Flesh a lot more than It or Slow Love.

djThunderfunk said:

ufoclub said:

i like many outtakes more than tracks that appeared on released albums like Purple Rain or Sign o' the Times.

For example, I like and have listened to Rebirth of the Flesh a lot more than It or Slow Love.

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I just dug out the leak of Crystal Ball from 2015 with all the songs in their original sequence, leading off with Rebirth of the Flesh...the excellent segue from The Ball into Joy in Repetition...good gravy that shit is good.

leadline said:

Again, we dont need anyone reworking this music, anything in the vault needs to be released as is, any other way taints the music and would be disrespectful to Prince. If its a demo, its a demo......remember Last Heart? That song was a demo from the vault, untouched and thrown on Crystal Ball. There are surely MANY demos in there. Prince would tpyically work a song to a certain point, if he knew he was not going to use it on anything at that time or in the near future, it would be put in the vault, lacking overdubs (ie. horns, orchestration, additional vocals, etc.)

Anything being released this way is A-OK with me. I am interested in the music as he left it, not as something reworked by anyone else, I don't care how close they were to Prince.

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I think she's referring to final mixes done and then a master

It needs that, outside of that nothing musical should be added or change to anything unless it's not finished. I'd imagine there's a small percentage of unfinished songs. Have those released with a new mix in a finished version with the original versions on the same disc as a bonus

Absolutely there were better outtakes than released tracks.

All My Dreams is better than Life Can Be So Nice.

Moonbeam Levels is better than Free.

Crystal Ball is Better than Its Gonna be a Beautiful Night.

Days of Wild is better than We March.

Dance With the Devil is better than half the Batman album.

Goodbye is better than Emancipation.

The list goes on.

SquirrelMeat said:

Absolutely there were better outtakes than released tracks.

All My Dreams is better than Life Can Be So Nice.

Moonbeam Levels is better than Free.

Crystal Ball is Better than Its Gonna be a Beautiful Night.

Days of Wild is better than We March.

Dance With the Devil is better than half the Batman album.

Goodbye is better than Emancipation.

The list goes on.

Absolutely not! The others are arguable (plus many I haven't heard) but no way Crystal Ball is better than anything on SOTT

The song is a mess, and not in a good way

And 'Its Gonna Be A Beautiful Night' is my favorite P live jam.

However, there are several songs on the outtakes album "Crystal Ball" that are jammin' Acknowledge Me, Ripopgodezippa, Crucial, among others

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kalelvisj said:

The original version of "old friends 4 sale" with the personal lyrics is certainly in the league of his very best work. The version of "Joy in Repetition" with the building drum opening is also amazing and could easily fit into any of his best albums. Really almost anything recorded from 81 to 88 is comparable to the albums released during this time. The thing to consider is that his albums contained such a diverse array of music that one persons classic could be another persons filler. I know people who hate "Raspberry Beret" but love "Tamborine". The same is likely true of any out takes especially from this period.

Yeah THAT! Poll 100 orgers to pick a single disc version of Emancipation and you'll get a variety of opinions.

teezee said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Absolutely there were better outtakes than released tracks.

All My Dreams is better than Life Can Be So Nice.

Moonbeam Levels is better than Free.

Crystal Ball is Better than Its Gonna be a Beautiful Night.

Days of Wild is better than We March.

Dance With the Devil is better than half the Batman album.

Goodbye is better than Emancipation.

The list goes on.

Absolutely not! The others are arguable (plus many I haven't heard) but no way Crystal Ball is better than anything on SOTT

The song is a mess, and not in a good way

And 'Its Gonna Be A Beautiful Night' is my favorite P live jam.

However, there are several songs on the outtakes album "Crystal Ball" that are jammin' Acknowledge Me, Ripopgodezippa, Crucial, among others

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LOL, honestly, you picked the one where I think there is no contest. Crystal Ball, one of Princes greatest opus tracks (and thats not just me saying that, it polls up there as one of the best) not being better than an out of place live jam??


Each to their own, but I think you find yourself in a minority here. We'll agree to differ

Sorry..but I have to agree with SquirrelMeat. I think "Crystal Ball" is better than "Beautiful Night". That's the great thing about our man's music..there's something for everyone.