He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

We have no reason to believe that he gave strict/written instructions for what to do with his body. Rather, Tyka likely just followed standard JW protocol, as the religion requires prompt cremation.

BanishedBrian said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

We have no reason to believe that he gave strict/written instructions for what to do with his body. Rather, Tyka likely just followed standard JW protocol, as the religion requires prompt cremation.

Exactly.

BanishedBrian said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

We have no reason to believe that he gave strict/written instructions for what to do with his body. Rather, Tyka likely just followed standard JW protocol, as the religion requires prompt cremation.

That's not a negation either. Anyway, keep focus.

filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

No, I totally agree with you, there's no way he didn't leave a will. It just doesn't make sense.

ThirdStrike said:

BanishedBrian said:

We have no reason to believe that he gave strict/written instructions for what to do with his body. Rather, Tyka likely just followed standard JW protocol, as the religion requires prompt cremation.

Exactly.

Liek I said to the other guy...this still doesn't address the main point.

filthyrichyuppie said:

BanishedBrian said:

We have no reason to believe that he gave strict/written instructions for what to do with his body. Rather, Tyka likely just followed standard JW protocol, as the religion requires prompt cremation.

That's not a negation either. Anyway, keep focus.

Let me focus first...

Your argument is that (i) if he left strict instructions for what to do with his body, then (ii) wouldn't he have left strict written instructions.

My response is that (i) never happened.

That would seem to negate the premise of your argument, no?

filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

Where were the "strict" instructions?

.

Also, how are you "pretty sure" a will shall appear?

BanishedBrian said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

That's not a negation either. Anyway, keep focus.

Let me focus first...

Your argument is that (i) if he left strict instructions for what to do with his body, then (ii) wouldn't he have left strict written instructions.

My response is that (i) never happened.

That would seem to negate the premise of your argument, no?

No no no...let me explain?

I make two arguments...

The first, his strict instructions to be cremated means he must have done more. You say, we don't know. I say, ok we don't. Hardly a point in your favor though is it?

Just to be on the safe side, I add to the argument by mentioning his history of micromanaging in life vs. death. Of course, you hadn't got this far. So ignored it. Sigh.

TrivialPursuit said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

Where were the "strict" instructions?

.

Also, how are you "pretty sure" a will shall appear?

Well, Mr. Literal, we'll just have to wait and see won't we?

He hated lawyers. Was suseptible to consipiracy theories and did every thing almost to an extreme (eg Veganism). This doesnt surprise me in the least.

emesem said:

He hated lawyers. Was suseptible to consipiracy theories and did every thing almost to an extreme (eg Veganism). This doesnt surprise me in the least.

He was also protective of his legacy to the point of insanity. It surprises me much.

Not necessarily...many of my friends and family have made their final wishes known (cremation vs. burial) but no Will.

filthyrichyuppie said:

BanishedBrian said:

Let me focus first...

Your argument is that (i) if he left strict instructions for what to do with his body, then (ii) wouldn't he have left strict written instructions.

My response is that (i) never happened.

That would seem to negate the premise of your argument, no?

No no no...let me explain?

I make two arguments...

The first, his strict instructions to be cremated means he must have done more. You say, we don't know. I say, ok we don't. Hardly a point in your favor though is it?

Just to be on the safe side, I add to the argument by mentioning his history of micromanaging in life vs. death. Of course, you hadn't got this far. So ignored it. Sigh.

Once again, there is no basis to say he left any strict or other instructions to be cremated. As far as we know, he left no instructions regarding what to do, and his sister, as next of kin, followed the practice of the place of worship he was known to attend.

Being a micromanager is actually consistent with having no will. I'm a total micromanager at every level, and I also have no will (though I've known for years I need to get around doing one).

Many of us skip such things because we figure "I'll get around to it later - I'm not going to die tomorrow." Prince might have been the same.

BanishedBrian said:

emesem said:

He hated lawyers. Was suseptible to consipiracy theories and did every thing almost to an extreme (eg Veganism). This doesnt surprise me in the least.

He surounded himself with lawyers and what's wrong with eating healthy?

txladykat said:

Not necessarily...many of my friends and family have made their final wishes known (cremation vs. burial) but no Will.

Christ, like any of your friends were global icons with friggin' music vaults at the back of their gardens...

BanishedBrian said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

No no no...let me explain?

I make two arguments...

The first, his strict instructions to be cremated means he must have done more. You say, we don't know. I say, ok we don't. Hardly a point in your favor though is it?

Just to be on the safe side, I add to the argument by mentioning his history of micromanaging in life vs. death. Of course, you hadn't got this far. So ignored it. Sigh.

Once again, there is no basis to say he left any strict or other instructions to be cremated. As far as we know, he left no instructions regarding what to do, and his sister, as next of kin, followed the practice of the place of worship he was known to attend.

Being a micromanager is actually consistent with having no will. I'm a total micromanager at every level, and I also have no will (though I've known for years I need to get around doing one).

Many of us skip such things because we figure "I'll get around to it later - I'm not going to die tomorrow." Prince might have been the same.

OMG. I agreed with you on my first point (even though this is hardly a point in your favor). As for your micromanaging response...even you don't beleive this do you? Of course you might not leave a will, but then you're not a global music icon with a lucrative collection of songs to worry about. I think I might be going mad here.

filthyrichyuppie said:

He leaves strict instructions for what happens to his body after death but none for his musical legacy? No way. Someone who micromanaged his output in life will almost certainly have done the same in death. I'm pretty sure some form of document will turn up.

I thought the same thing. Also, the way he was protective of his music not being on youtube etc. Unless Prince really didn't care about money at the end.

OperatingThetan said:

BanishedBrian said:

We have no reason to believe that he gave strict/written instructions for what to do with his body. Rather, Tyka likely just followed standard JW protocol, as the religion requires prompt cremation.

The religion resolutely does not require a prompt cremation. I was formerly involved with JW's for years and know from experience.

You're right - I was remembering what I'd read last week incorrectly.

The choice to cremate or bury would be open, but following JW custom, it should happen as quickly as possible (e.g., as first-century Jews typically were buried on the day of death), which is why Tyka would have done it so quickly.

NorthC said:

Wishful thinking again... "There's no way", "He must have...", "I can't imagine"... Those are the only things I read from people who claim there must be will. What does that say? Absolutely nothing.

Actually, this response tells me a lot about you. You didn't think I was trying to frame my words as fact, did you?

filthyrichyuppie said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

BanishedBrian said:

Once again, there is no basis to say he left any strict or other instructions to be cremated. As far as we know, he left no instructions regarding what to do, and his sister, as next of kin, followed the practice of the place of worship he was known to attend.

Being a micromanager is actually consistent with having no will. I'm a total micromanager at every level, and I also have no will (though I've known for years I need to get around doing one).

Many of us skip such things because we figure "I'll get around to it later - I'm not going to die tomorrow." Prince might have been the same.

OMG. I agreed with you on my first point (even though this is hardly a point in your favor). As for your micromanaging response...even you don't beleive this do you? Of course you might not leave a will, but then you're not a global music icon with a lucrative collection of songs to worry about. I think I might be going mad here.

True, but I have a multi-million dollar estate... the point is that some people don't get around to leaving wills.

In Prince's case, he really had no heirs, so that would be one consideration in terms of worrying about what would happen to his assets.

As for the Vault... we know from many interviews that he was conflicted about what to do with it, and seemed unsure. Jimmy Jam recited recent conversations that consisted of respones from Prince like "maybe".

Prince lived in the moment musically. Anyone who's been with him on the entire ride of his career knows that. It's quite possible his sole focus before he died were on current projects, not what to do with all the dusty old tapes he'd time capsuled years earlier.

NorthC said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

Actually, this response tells me a lot about you. You didn't think I was trying to frame my words as fact, did you?

What WERE you trying to do then?

Vent, of course. How could it be factual? You actually think I know something the rest of the world doesn't? Wow.

Prince was reckless with his business. It's like him to think he'd speak his death into existence just by planning his post-mortem affairs.

I'm not surprised he didn't have a will. It's typical Prince. Anything expected of him, he would do the opposite. Remember, this is a guy who refused to count his birthdays in order to stay young at heart. I think he saw writing a will in the same way - thinking it's best to avoid such things because it takes him away from "living in the now" or whatever. It sucks for us now, with the ownership of his legacy up in the air, but it's typical Prince. If you tell him to walk a straight line, he put on crooked shoes.

funksterr said:

Prince was reckless with his business. It's like him to think he'd speak his death into existence just by planning his post-mortem affairs.

Yes, this! Prince may have been contolling but he was very reckless and disorganized when it came to his business affairs. If it turns out he does not have a will I would not be at all surprised.