yvanehtnioj1214 said:

Not sure if this has been said but Warner Records' website currently features a huge photo of Prince's face which I've gotten lost in for minutes.

Haha, FFS. I just assumed RODSERLING had actually checked before his rant

RODSERLING said:

Rebeljuice said:

Yes, and you will see that all digital media, old stuff and new falls under NPG Records. What you cant believe is irrelevant. You know that Prince took ownership of his masters when AOA was released. You know that. You were here arguing how you fore saw the poor sales because you knew better. You wouldnt stop banging on about it. You even gave Prince shit for not allowing WB to release the PR reissue right there and then whilst the iron was hot.

Now you are complaining that WB is not releasing reissues? If they needed Prince's permission then, why do you think they do not need permission now? Just to be clear: WB no longer own Princes back catalogue. Any reissues of his catalogue will have the NPG logo on it and Im sure NPG Records do not have the abilty to do anything right now, what with their sole signatory no longer here to agree and sign anything.

Prince owns the masters, BUT Warner is still the distributor. They don't have to wait any greenlight from Prince to mlanufacture the albums.

Whilst WB may still retain distribution rights (or first refusal on distribution rights), the whole package of any album has to contain different info on it. It has to list the new publishing rights, the NPG Records logo etc. they cant just print more of what they already have. And they cannot go ahead with that without NPG Records giving the green light, just like you or I cant go and print the Nike logo on a bunch of tshirts and sell them legally. A deal has to be struck between NPG and WB to reissue anything, that was what Prince was fighting for and consequently won in 2014.

Rebeljuice said:

RODSERLING said:

Prince owns the masters, BUT Warner is still the distributor. They don't have to wait any greenlight from Prince to mlanufacture the albums.

Whilst WB may still retain distribution rights (or first refusal on distribution rights), the whole package of any album has to contain different info on it. It has to list the new publishing rights, the NPG Records logo etc. they cant just print more of what they already have. And they cannot go ahead with that without NPG Records giving the green light, just like you or I cant go and print the Nike logo on a bunch of tshirts and sell them legally. A deal has to be struck between NPG and WB to reissue anything, that was what Prince was fighting for and consequently won in 2014.

SO they have to wait to manufacture a Prince very best of because they have to put the NPG logo in it ?

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jaawwnn said:

yvanehtnioj1214 said:

Not sure if this has been said but Warner Records' website currently features a huge photo of Prince's face which I've gotten lost in for minutes.

Haha, FFS. I just assumed RODSERLING had actually checked before his rant

http://www.warnermusic.fr/Artistes

RODSERLING said:

Rebeljuice said:

Whilst WB may still retain distribution rights (or first refusal on distribution rights), the whole package of any album has to contain different info on it. It has to list the new publishing rights, the NPG Records logo etc. they cant just print more of what they already have. And they cannot go ahead with that without NPG Records giving the green light, just like you or I cant go and print the Nike logo on a bunch of tshirts and sell them legally. A deal has to be struck between NPG and WB to reissue anything, that was what Prince was fighting for and consequently won in 2014.

SO they have to wait to Prince a very best of wit the NPG logo in it ?

WB are nothing but distributors of his music now. They have to be provided with the materials and artwork and everything else and they can distribute. The materials they have under the WB label are out of contract and cant be reprinted as is. They are probably allowed to collect on old stock printed before the new agreement, otherwise we would have seen albums being pulled off the shelves, which never happened, but if it is out of print, the new print run has to be under the NPG Records copyright - Just as Prince wanted it.

Having said all that, I belive WB still had a hold on Prince in that Prince couldnt go and reissue his old albums and use another distributer without the consent of WB. So it wasnt all a one way agreement that Prince won entirely. They both had to agree in order for something to be reissued. Prince may have even had to give WB frst refusal on his new stuff as part of that agreement. They may well have been offered HNR I and II and simply werent interested. If that is true, we may see WB being a big player in any released material here on in.

Rebeljuice said:

RODSERLING said:

SO they have to wait to Prince a very best of wit the NPG logo in it ?

WB are nothing but distributors of his music now. They have to be provided with the materials and artwork and everything else and they can distribute. The materials they have under the WB label are out of contract and cant be reprinted as is. They are probably allowed to collect on old stock printed before the new agreement, otherwise we would have seen albums being pulled off the shelves, which never happened, but if it is out of print, the new print run has to be under the NPG Records copyright - Just as Prince wanted it.

So Prince's legacy is completely fucked up, not only in term of digital and streaming and physical copies from the 1994-2016 era, but also from the 1978-1993 era. Wow. What a shame.

RODSERLING said:

jaawwnn said:

Haha, FFS. I just assumed RODSERLING had actually checked before his rant

http://www.warnermusic.fr/Artistes

here you go:

http://www.warnermusic.fr/Nous-contacter

shoot them off an angry email listing all the things they're doing wrong.

RODSERLING said:

1. No indication on their Warner's website that Prnce is one of their artist

2.No condoleances on their website

3. Prince is nowhere to be seen on record stores, on amazon most are out of print. They could make a lot of money, like when Bowie died there was a tons of his CD's. That's I.N.C.R.E.D.I.B.L.E.

4. Why in hell does Warner doesn't manufacture BLACK ALBUM, GOLD, CHAOS AND DISORDER ?

5. Why Universal does't manufacture 3121 and Emancipation anymore ?

6. Why Sony doesn't manufacture Musicology and Planet EArth anymore ?

7. Why UNiversal is not promoting HITNRUN PHASE 2 ? They have already the screwdriver video...

All this is fucking nonsense

1. Look again. There's a big ass damn picture of Prince at WarnerBrosRecords.com.

2. See #1

3. Wow, I wonder why. The biggest start this generation has sold out of CDs? REALLY? Bowie still isn't restocked in some areas, and that was almost 4 months ago. MJ's CDs were out for a good two months in every record store around here after he died. It takes time to manufacture and distribute albums. And even then, people are still buying them up, ergo the #1 spots on charts this week.

4. Who says they won't again? Black Albumw as limited to 500K copies, I believe, when it was released in 1994. That was part of his exit deal.

5. See #4.

6. See #4.

7. Why promote what's not on the shelves?

.

See, this is everyone's catch 22. On one hand, if Universal, Sony, Arista, WB., etc all go into overdrive and stock the shelves, then they're just profiting on Prince's death, and they're scumbags. But if they continue on as normal, and do what they have contracts to do, then they're uncaring assholes. They can't win with that mindset.

RODSERLING said:

Rebeljuice said:

WB are nothing but distributors of his music now. They have to be provided with the materials and artwork and everything else and they can distribute. The materials they have under the WB label are out of contract and cant be reprinted as is. They are probably allowed to collect on old stock printed before the new agreement, otherwise we would have seen albums being pulled off the shelves, which never happened, but if it is out of print, the new print run has to be under the NPG Records copyright - Just as Prince wanted it.

So Prince's legacy is completely fucked up, not only in term of digital and streaming and physical copies from the 1994-2016 era, but also from the 1978-1993 era. Wow. What a shame.

I wouldnt say so. Once all the affairs have been put straight regarding the vault and it is decided who is to run NPG Records, it wont be difficult to get WB around the table to strike up a new deal that would be good for everyone. Its a whole different world now... sadly.

GirlBrother said:

I think Warner Bros. have the distribution rights for everything now. Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic may have been distributed by Arista upon its original release, but it was still an NPG Records product. I'd expect to see everything repackaged by Warner Bros. in the future.

I agree. Although I think they have/had a first refusal type agreement in that if they didnt want a particular album Prince was free to go elsewhere as he did with HNR 1 and 2.

TrivialPursuit said:

RODSERLING said:

1. No indication on their Warner's website that Prnce is one of their artist

2.No condoleances on their website

3. Prince is nowhere to be seen on record stores, on amazon most are out of print. They could make a lot of money, like when Bowie died there was a tons of his CD's. That's I.N.C.R.E.D.I.B.L.E.

4. Why in hell does Warner doesn't manufacture BLACK ALBUM, GOLD, CHAOS AND DISORDER ?

5. Why Universal does't manufacture 3121 and Emancipation anymore ?

6. Why Sony doesn't manufacture Musicology and Planet EArth anymore ?

7. Why UNiversal is not promoting HITNRUN PHASE 2 ? They have already the screwdriver video...

All this is fucking nonsense

1. Look again. There's a big ass damn picture of Prince at WarnerBrosRecords.com.

2. See #1

3. Wow, I wonder why. The biggest start this generation has sold out of CDs? REALLY? Bowie still isn't restocked in some areas, and that was almost 4 months ago. MJ's CDs were out for a good two months in every record store around here after he died. It takes time to manufacture and distribute albums. And even then, people are still buying them up, ergo the #1 spots on charts this week.

4. Who says they won't again? Black Albumw as limited to 500K copies, I believe, when it was released in 1994. That was part of his exit deal.

5. See #4.

6. See #4.

7. Why promote what's not on the shelves?

.

See, this is everyone's catch 22. On one hand, if Universal, Sony, Arista, WB., etc all go into overdrive and stock the shelves, then they're just profiting on Prince's death, and they're scumbags. But if they continue on as normal, and do what they have contracts to do, then they're uncaring assholes. They can't win with that mindset.

1. He is not listed in Warner France at all

2. You're wrong. When MJ and Bowie they never ran out of stock, they never waited two weeks to manufacture their albums. The day Bowie died and the following days, there was a tons of his CD on record stores. Prince is "#1" on charts (in the small markets only, not in the USA, not in France, not in in the UK, not in JApan, etc.) but he could have sold much more if his albums were available on stores.

4. When, in two months ? It's not even digitally available ! People cared tabout Prince the week following his death, now they already moved on.

7. Common, an album is marketed two months before release...In France the album is not even available on stores. It sucks a lot in term of marketing.

RODSERLING said:

TrivialPursuit said:

1. Look again. There's a big ass damn picture of Prince at WarnerBrosRecords.com.

2. See #1

3. Wow, I wonder why. The biggest start this generation has sold out of CDs? REALLY? Bowie still isn't restocked in some areas, and that was almost 4 months ago. MJ's CDs were out for a good two months in every record store around here after he died. It takes time to manufacture and distribute albums. And even then, people are still buying them up, ergo the #1 spots on charts this week.

4. Who says they won't again? Black Albumw as limited to 500K copies, I believe, when it was released in 1994. That was part of his exit deal.

5. See #4.

6. See #4.

7. Why promote what's not on the shelves?

.

See, this is everyone's catch 22. On one hand, if Universal, Sony, Arista, WB., etc all go into overdrive and stock the shelves, then they're just profiting on Prince's death, and they're scumbags. But if they continue on as normal, and do what they have contracts to do, then they're uncaring assholes. They can't win with that mindset.

1. He is not listed in Warner France at all

2. You're wrong. When MJ and Bowie they never ran out of stock, they never waited two weeks to manufacture their albums. The day Bowie died and the following days, there was a tons of his CD on record stores. Prince is "#1" on charts (in the small markets only, not in the USA, not in France, not in in the UK, not in JApan, etc.) but he could have sold much more if his albums were available on stores.

4. When, in two months ? It's not even digitally available ! People cared tabout Prince the week following his death, now they already moved on.

7. Common, an album is marketed two months before release...In France the album is not even available on stores. It sucks a lot in term of marketing.

PRINCE went #1 on the U.S. billboard charts last week with only 1 day sales!! He is now at #2 cause of Beyonces album.

On the world charts he is at #1 for last week sales also which were just 1 day sales!!

THE VERY BEST OF PRINCE in one week sold over 500k worldwide alone!!

PRINCE has 6 albums in the TOP 20 right now.