Someone please correct me if I am wrong on this, I am always will to learn new things, but according to what I do know, the JW's do not believe in the soul, this is fundamental to their belief. When you die, that is it, end of the line, and at some future point when God builds a new earth, he will 'remember' you are worthy, and you will be recreated on this new earth. First off, if anyone deserves to get recreated, well, it is Prince, but here is where this is all still makes me sad for Prince.........You get recreated and are in essence a clone of your prior self, with all memories, etc, but the real you that is now gone, is still gone forever, because of their disbelief in an eternal soul.

Personally, I believe Prince was indeed a spiritual being living a human existence, and is now with his loved ones, and has his reward for living such a giving, spiritual life.

Peace

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He was spiritual.

Well, more than most people.

And I think he was somewhat connected to "the third eye" (consciusness / our one-ness).

And he lives on in us, as he touched, inspired and affected so many people.

I'm not sure I believe in reincarnation either.

Prince was a JW's yes, but he was not born one. We have no way of knowing whether he adopted all their beliefs. It's pretty clear through his music and some of what he's said before that he believed in the spirit and afterlife and all that. I don't really see P as one to toss all of that away.

RogerRoger said:

leadline said:

Someone please correct me if I am wrong on this, I am always will to learn new things, but according to what I do know, the JW's do not believe in the soul, this is fundamental to their belief. When you die, that is it, end of the line, and at some future point when God builds a new earth, he will 'remember' you, and you will be recreated on this new earth. First off, if anyone deserves to get recreated, well, it is Prince, but here is where this is all still shitty.........You get recreated, you are in essence a clone of your prior self, with all memories, etc, but the real you that is now gone, is still gone forever, because of their disbelief in an eternal soul.

Personally, I believe Prince was indeed a spiritual being living a human existence, and is now with his loved ones, and has his reward for living such a giving, spiritual life.

Peace

It's not a recreated Earth but after the cleansing of the evil off of this one.

You are reborn, in the same as you are now.

What they do not believe in is the existance of an eternal burning hell where you will be tortured. Basically when you die, that's it, there is no punishment, but just death - an end.

They believe in a heaven, but that is not for ALL but only for a chosen few, the majority of mankind will live as God intended on a perfect Earth in a perfect form. So there is no dying and going to live in Heaven but more of a waiting until the Earth has been prepared for your rebirth (easiest way to put it so that it is understandable but not how they will explain it to you).

And yes I know what I am talking about I was raised a JW and studied for decades within their church. I just choose a different path.

BklynDiamond said:

We definitely have some sort of life force that lives inside our bodies and makes us who we truly are as individuals. After watching my neighbor pass away in front of me years ago, I know that once you take your last breath, the spirit leaves and only a shell remains. I watched her fly away and it's something that I'll never forget for as long as I live. As religious as Prince was, I doubt he didn't believe in the existence of a soul...he may just not have referred to it as that. Other than Atheism, I don't think there's a religion that doesn't really believe in souls/spirits/life forces or some sort of afterlife. Personally, I gave up on religion years ago because as different as they all are, they are all really based on the same foundation so what's the point in just following one JMHO. None of them or wrong and none of them are right either....just know that some entity greater than us put us here and we are all different for a reason.

Skylightt said:

Prince was a JW's yes, but he was not born one. We have no way of knowing whether he adopted all their beliefs. It's pretty clear through his music and some of what he's said before that he believed in the spirit and afterlife and all that. I don't really see P as one to toss all of that away.

Prince felt very strongly that it was important to have accurate knowledge of Christ and the Father (which, importantly, means that they are not consubstantial). He also believed that there ain't no room to disagree on these important distinctions.

BanishedBrian said:

Skylightt said:

Prince was a JW's yes, but he was not born one. We have no way of knowing whether he adopted all their beliefs. It's pretty clear through his music and some of what he's said before that he believed in the spirit and afterlife and all that. I don't really see P as one to toss all of that away.

Prince felt very strongly that it was important to have accurate knowledge of Christ and the Father (which, importantly, means that they are not consubstantial). He also believed that there ain't no room to disagree on these important distinctions.

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Yes he never seemed very tolerant of others' religious views. He seemed to think there was "one truth" and it was whatever he believed at the moment. Oh well he was wacky in some areas, but doesn't matter now for sure. Overall, he was obviously an incredible person. I still can't believe he's gone. I guess he really did seem larger than life and doesnt' make sense that he doesn't exist anymore....not on the planet at least.

FunkiestOne said:

BanishedBrian said:

Prince felt very strongly that it was important to have accurate knowledge of Christ and the Father (which, importantly, means that they are not consubstantial). He also believed that there ain't no room to disagree on these important distinctions.

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Yes he never seemed very tolerant of others' religious views. He seemed to think there was "one truth" and it was whatever he believed at the moment. Oh well he was wacky in some areas, but doesn't matter now for sure. Overall, he was obviously an incredible person. I still can't believe he's gone. I guess he really did seem larger than life and doesnt' make sense that he doesn't exist anymore....not on the planet at least.

I think he was tolerant of others' religious faith (as JWs are taught they should be) - he just was an adherent to what JWs believe, and didn't believe that you can take bits and pieces of it to fit your own mold. It's something where you're either in (all the way) or out. That is why he presumably didn't believe anymore in the existance of an immortal soul, as that's not something you can believe in as a JW unless you don't understand basic doctrines.

Edit: To clarify, when he says "ain't no room to disagree," he means that there is only one accurate truth, and that you need to believe in that truth if you want to be his life partner. On the other hand, he could at the same time be respectful of others with different faiths, even if those people may not be able to have the same type of relationship with him as someone who has been awoken.

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BklynDiamond said:

leadline said:

Someone please correct me if I am wrong on this, I am always will to learn new things, but according to what I do know, the JW's do not believe in the soul, this is fundamental to their belief. When you die, that is it, end of the line, and at some future point when God builds a new earth, he will 'remember' you, and you will be recreated on this new earth. First off, if anyone deserves to get recreated, well, it is Prince, but here is where this is all still shitty.........You get recreated, you are in essence a clone of your prior self, with all memories, etc, but the real you that is now gone, is still gone forever, because of their disbelief in an eternal soul.

Personally, I believe Prince was indeed a spiritual being living a human existence, and is now with his loved ones, and has his reward for living such a giving, spiritual life.

Peace

It's not a recreated Earth but after the cleansing of the evil off of this one.

You are reborn, in the same as you are now.

What they do not believe in is the existance of an eternal burning hell where you will be tortured. Basically when you die, that's it, there is no punishment, but just death - an end.

They believe in a heaven, but that is not for ALL but only for a chosen few, the majority of mankind will live as God intended on a perfect Earth in a perfect form. So there is no dying and going to live in Heaven but more of a waiting until the Earth has been prepared for your rebirth (easiest way to put it so that it is understandable but not how they will explain it to you).

And yes I know what I am talking about I was raised a JW and studied for decades within their church. I just choose a different path.

You're correct...144,000 go to heaven and the rest will live (or be resurrected) to an earthly paradise. Then the devil will be let loose again to test the ones in paradise and THEN the devil will be destroyed for good. No soul...you're just dust. IMO, if ever any man had a soul, it was Prince.

razord said:

RogerRoger said:

He was spiritual.

Well, more than most people.

And I think he was somewhat connected to "the third eye" (consciusness / our one-ness).

And he lives on in us, as he touched, inspired and affected so many people.

I'm not sure I believe in reincarnation either.

I often have wondered if he had activated his pineal gland, the third eye, he'd been so spiritual for so long, I wonder if he meditated?

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He did.

Superfan1984 said:

estelle81----- PLEASE tell what happened with your neighbor, I would love to hear what you saw/ what happened. As for Prince and his JW beliefs, - It's always seemed like such a wrong fit for him (that religion) he seemed much more in tune with his third eye and his spiritual side than they seem to be. I think they are devout and sincere and good people but I think their beliefs hurt them spiritually instead of help them-- just my opinion.

I was at home and had just seen her hanging her laundry on the line. She was an older lady maybe in her 70s and always so sweet and in good health from what I knew. She finished and went into her house and about an hour or so later I have someone banging on my front door. It was some woman I had never seen before and she was hysterical and begging me to follow her into my neighbor's house; so I did.

I walked in and my neighbor was convulsing on the floor and then all of a sudden a female police officer appears behind me and the other woman is gone. The lady cop asked me if I knew CPR which I did (a little) so she told me to give mouth-to-mouth as she did chest compressions. We did that for about 2-3 minutes before she gasped. When she did that, I looked into her face and her eyes were gray and dull and I just felt this sudden wave of calm surround me. It's really heard to explain but it was suddenly very peaceful and I just looked at her and she wasn't there anymore...it was just a hollow shell left laying on the carpet. Time stopped and it felt like everything was in slowmo. I stood up and suddently felt this warmth surround me like someone was hugging me but there was no one near me. Sound was muted to my ears...just so beautifully quiet and serene.

After a few seconds, the warmth subsided and I just went numb. The officer was thanking me for trying to save her but all I could see was her mouth moving but my ears were still muted for some reason. I think I was in shock at that point. I just walked out the front door and saw the women, who had brought me over, crying hysterically on the front lawn. I later found out it was her daughter and got angry because I felt that she should have stayed in the house with us so she could be with her mother as she passed on. That's what I would have done if that had been my mom. She brought her into the world and the least she could have done was be there for her mom as she left it.

I just went back into my house, closed the door, and stood there for about 5 minutes in total silence. Then, it hit me like a freight train that I had just watched someone take their last breath releasing their soul to fly into the next life. I cried my eyes out and called my dad. He kinda calmed me down but it was me going and putting on Prince's TMBGITW and 'Adore' that ultimately calmed my tears and soothed my soul. I'll never forget that day. I could never work in hospice...it's hard enough having to euthanize people's pets and seeing them take their final breaths as their life force departs; and yes, I do believe that animals have souls. Sadly, I think that's why I've become so nonchalant about death. It's a part of life...nobody was meant to live forever so cherish every moment and never take anyone or anything for granted.

That's funny because Prince said "Living souls shouldn't eat living souls....don't give me no chicken tonight." He said that during an instrumental break of "All the loud talk, and ain't saying nothing" during his Jam of the Year tour.

benjaminira said:

Ever hear "future soul song"?

That's the song that has been getting me through his passing. It was the third song I listened to in the car when I was leaving work after hearing he had passed. I cried like a newborn after those first two lines. Now, I'm able to listen to it and smile. Such a beautiful song and so beautifully sung.

Superfan1984 said:

Estelle81=== thank you for sharing. Beautiful.

Ur welcome

estelle81 said:

Superfan1984 said:

Estelle81=== thank you for sharing. Beautiful.

Ur welcome

estelle81 thanks for sharing your story and thanks for helping a person in distress. I am cpr certified and I hope I never have to use it.

I don't know about Future Soul SOng and this is the 5th time Ive seen it mentioned. How do I get it?

noimageatall said:

Superfan1984 said:

I love that he still had that in him-- in the beginning of his jw conversion it seemed like he was going to go full out jw, but he had some contradictory ideas and I'm glad he did.

He was HEAVY into the metaphsyical, 3rdeye, astral projection, and many many many other references across his entire catalog, especially in the later years. I do believe his JW faith was a very hybrid one imo.

Scarfo said:

That's funny because Prince said "Living souls shouldn't eat living souls....don't give me no chicken tonight." He said that during an instrumental break of "All the loud talk, and ain't saying nothing" during his Jam of the Year tour.

FWIW, his main transition to JW started when he bumped into Graham Central Station in late 1997 on that same tour.

That being said, JWs do believe in souls, they just don't believe in the "eternal soul".

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