Having been a fan for so many years and having my beliefs about Prince for all of that time I am not enjoying all this new press speculation.

It's making me feel that I don't really want to know the whole truth, just in case it's too far away from what I thought I knew all these years. It's going round and round in my head.

Why can't the post mortem be private? He's gone and nothing will change that. I don't want his legacy to be tarnished with anything.

sentiments exactly. It doesnt really matter now.

newpowerhippies said:

I don't want his legacy to be tarnished with anything.

But sadly that will happen. Like if that one last thing wipes out everything that was before. It's highly annoying.

I don't want to know either, but we have people crawling out of the woodwork trying to tarnish his name with allegations already. Even with no proof many will believe it and think a bit differently about him. sigh

What gets me is, with the speculation of "drugs" people are thinking of the traditional connotations when in fact no one seems to be accusing him of partying, getting high or anything like that.

IF it was a drug overdose, it was legal prescription medication for pain, not illegal drugs.

The truth is, the medical & pharmeceutical industries kill more people every year than illegal drugs, alcohol, tobacco & guns combined. This is the reality of our society and the problem that should be focused on.

Anyone who condemns the man for his attempts to manage his pain has their head up their ass.

Just sayin'!!

djThunderfunk said:

What gets me is, with the speculation of "drugs" people are thinking of the traditional connotations when in fact no one seems to be accusing him of partying, getting high or anything like that.

IF it was a drug overdose, it was legal prescription medication for pain, not illegal drugs.

The truth is, the medical & pharmeceutical industries kill more people every year than illegal drugs, alcohol, tobacco & guns combined. This is the reality of our society and the problem that should be focused on.

Anyone who condemns the man for his attempts to manage his pain has their head up their ass.

Just sayin'!!

Of course, but many people don't think beyond the surface. They hear drug overdose and stop there. They don't think about the why or what.

You guys forget that you are talking about a guy who painted SLAVE on his face and changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol. He already has the reputation of a total nutjob to a lot of people who don't care about the music.

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We are fine with Prince being eccentric, because that's also because it helped him make unusually great music, but others already think he was a nut and if he was taking painkillers because of hip pain and took too many, that isn't going to make him look much worse to many people.

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I know what you are saying, but it doesn't matter what many or most people think about him. It doesn't matter at all. The music is what counts ...And I will let the rest dissolve with my guitar underneath the sea.

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djThunderfunk said:

What gets me is, with the speculation of "drugs" people are thinking of the traditional connotations when in fact no one seems to be accusing him of partying, getting high or anything like that.

IF it was a drug overdose, it was legal prescription medication for pain, not illegal drugs.

The truth is, the medical & pharmeceutical industries kill more people every year than illegal drugs, alcohol, tobacco & guns combined. This is the reality of our society and the problem that should be focused on.

Anyone who condemns the man for his attempts to manage his pain has their head up their ass.

Just sayin'!!

Very true

His legacy among people who grew up with Prince won't be tarnished, they've seen this all before with other famous artists. Meanwhile, all this bad press could have a silver lining for the younger generation. As cold as it sounds, he's getting more attention than ever before from that younger, computer-savvy generation. They understand that you can't believe what you read online, and now they're seeing all these newstories about him all over their social media feeds.

Who's Prince?

How did he die?

Oh what's this youtube link...

A superbowl performance? Cool!

*Teases friends for not knowing anything about Prince*

In just a day around the world, that's what's happening to teenagers everywhere. To people who aren't fans of Prince, they couldn't care less if he took pain pills. Michael Jackson had it much worse in this department and his legacy has survived just fine.

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I've been devastated by this whole thing. And no, no matter what I hear, his legacy won't suffer.

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But... just to represent the other side, I want to know. I don't want to see a photo of him in the elevator, but I want to know if he died on Wednesday night or Thursday morning. I want to know if he developed an addicition to painkillers for whatever reason, or whether he was seriously ill at the time. I want to know.

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More than anything, I want to know if his death was avoidable (in the medium term), or not. I'm sure whatever we hear, his death was probably avoidable in the short term. If for no other reason than him staying in hospital when he had the chance would've helped. And not biking around MPLS in a satin shirt the next day.

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In those few days he wasn't acting like a man whose health was in the balance. He strikes me as a man certain of his fate - either that the blip was over and he would be OK, or that he would not be, no matter how he behaved. And I want to know which it was. I absolutely do. That's just how it is.

McD said:

I've been devastated by this whole thing. And no, no matter what I hear, his legacy won't suffer.

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But... just to represent the other side, I want to know. I don't want to see a photo of him in the elevator, but I want to know if he died on Wednesday night or Thursday morning. I want to know if he developed an addicition to painkillers for whatever reason, or whether he was seriously ill at the time. I want to know.

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More than anything, I want to know if his death was avoidable (in the medium term), or not. I'm sure whatever we hear, his death was probably avoidable in the short term. If for no other reason than him staying in hospital when he had the chance would've helped. And not biking around MPLS in a satin shirt the next day.

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In those few days he wasn't acting like a man whose health was in the balance. He strikes me as a man certain of his fate - either that the blip was over and he would be OK, or that he would not be, no matter how he behaved. And I want to know which it was. I absolutely do. That's just how it is.

I get you and there is part of me feels like this too. Maybe it's what is happening in the meantime that's got me all over the place. He's gone, we're grieving, and the throwaway nature of everyone else is getting on my nerves. My mum said the other day "Oh it's was just another one using drugs' - said in such a flippant way it really annoyed me. I don't want a bunch of self-riteous people shouting about it being his own fault. They didn't care - why can't they keep their opinions to themselves. Leave it to the people who did care to talk about him.

NorthC said:

His legacy won't be tarnished. Remember Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye and James Brown. They hardly lived the life of a saint, yet everybody remembers them as fantastic artists. The power of the music will be stronger than gossip. [Edited 4/25/16 5:44am]

I disagree about those. I do not like them at all after finding out about their extreme abuse.

I can not listen to Jimi or Marvin the same anymore. After reading so many vivid descriptions of abuse I can picture it. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. YES I care about what happens to others, thus do not ignore abuse.

Thankfully Prince was not violent like they were. I do not judge him for the drugs. The not paying people for work is more of a concern. That is something that really irks me in general, but not a sign of anyting evil.

djThunderfunk said:

What gets me is, with the speculation of "drugs" people are thinking of the traditional connotations when in fact no one seems to be accusing him of partying, getting high or anything like that.

IF it was a drug overdose, it was legal prescription medication for pain, not illegal drugs.

The truth is, the medical & pharmeceutical industries kill more people every year than illegal drugs, alcohol, tobacco & guns combined. This is the reality of our society and the problem that should be focused on.

Anyone who condemns the man for his attempts to manage his pain has their head up their ass.

Just sayin'!!

Legal drugs are more dangerous.

This all brings home the realization that even master performers are human, after all. I never really thought about things like that, being a non-musician, but performing evidently really hurts! Sheila's apparently really busted up, wearing a brace on her thumb, sore arms and such. With hindsight, I'm not surprised that P was hurting after decades of splits.

newpowerhippies said:

Having been a fan for so many years and having my beliefs about Prince for all of that time I am not enjoying all this new press speculation.

It's making me feel that I don't really want to know the whole truth, just in case it's too far away from what I thought I knew all these years. It's going round and round in my head.

Why can't the post mortem be private? He's gone and nothing will change that. I don't want his legacy to be tarnished with anything.

Yup, I've been thinking the same thong myself. I don't want to know all the secret details of his life and he didn't want us to. For a reason. Rock stars are human, too, (duh) and have feet of clay. But the music transcends the dross of everyday existence and gives it direction and meaning, different for every person. Much like a spiritual faith. Prince knew this... I don't watch news items on him nor do I read internet farticles any more. I'm done. I will remember him the way I've always known him...when I knew nothing at all about him. That is my personal tribute to the man...and his music.

we all have demons, we all have regrets, when you put on the 1999 album, does it really matter? the

djThunderfunk said:

What gets me is, with the speculation of "drugs" people are thinking of the traditional connotations when in fact no one seems to be accusing him of partying, getting high or anything like that.

IF it was a drug overdose, it was legal prescription medication for pain, not illegal drugs.

The truth is, the medical & pharmeceutical industries kill more people every year than illegal drugs, alcohol, tobacco & guns combined. This is the reality of our society and the problem that should be focused on.

Anyone who condemns the man for his attempts to manage his pain has their head up their ass.

Just sayin'!!

Yes. I totally get you. That was also the big annoyance to me when Michael passed. I think it's a problem in itself that medication and "recreational" drugs get lumped together under the term "drugs" in the english language. It's not so interchangeable in other languages. It's pure ignorance, really..

newpowerhippies said:

My mum said the other day "Oh it's was just another one using drugs' - said in such a flippant way it really annoyed me. I don't want a bunch of self-riteous people shouting about it being his own fault. They didn't care - why can't they keep their opinions to themselves. Leave it to the people who did care to talk about him.

Yeah. Over the weekend I also had to set some people straight.

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I definitely want to know. I'm tired of all the spectualations, I just want the true facts. I don't want to keep wondering what happened???? I need closure.

keenly said:

NorthC said:

His legacy won't be tarnished. Remember Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye and James Brown. They hardly lived the life of a saint, yet everybody remembers them as fantastic artists. The power of the music will be stronger than gossip. [Edited 4/25/16 5:44am]

I disagree about those. I do not like them at all after finding out about their extreme abuse.

I can not listen to Jimi or Marvin the same anymore. After reading so many vivid descriptions of abuse I can picture it. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. YES I care about what happens to others, thus do not ignore abuse.

Thankfully Prince was not violent like they were. I do not judge him for the drugs. The not paying people for work is more of a concern. That is something that really irks me in general, but not a sign of anyting evil.

Seperate the artist from the art. Artists are people. People are fallable. Their art is something else and should be judged in a vacuum. In my not-so-humble opinion, of course...

djThunderfunk said:

keenly said:

I disagree about those. I do not like them at all after finding out about their extreme abuse.

I can not listen to Jimi or Marvin the same anymore. After reading so many vivid descriptions of abuse I can picture it. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. YES I care about what happens to others, thus do not ignore abuse.

Thankfully Prince was not violent like they were. I do not judge him for the drugs. The not paying people for work is more of a concern. That is something that really irks me in general, but not a sign of anyting evil.

Seperate the artist from the art. Artists are people. People are fallable. Their art is something else and should be judged in a vacuum. In my not-so-humble opinion, of course...

So you would listen to Gary Glitter?

There is NO seperation.

keenly said:

djThunderfunk said:

Seperate the artist from the art. Artists are people. People are fallable. Their art is something else and should be judged in a vacuum. In my not-so-humble opinion, of course...

So you would listen to Gary Glitter?

There is NO seperation.

I don't know anything about Glitter except that one song "Rock On" or something & don't like it so no.

I do listen to Miles Davis, James Brown, Rick James, Chuck Berry, and many, many, many other artists whom I find aspects of their personal lives distasteful. They're personal lives are not their art.

It's very possible Jerry Lee Lewis killed at least one of his wives, and of course caused controversy marrying his underage cousin. Doesn't stop Great Balls Of Fire from being a classic!!

Just sayin'...

Let's not get ridiculous with the comparisons. Prince never killed anyone.

purplethunder3121 said:

Let's not get ridiculous with the comparisons. Prince never killed anyone.

Discussing seperating the artist from the art, not comparing any 2 artists...