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Thread started 04/24/16 4:37am

MattyJam

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Did we start to take his talent for granted?

I've purchased every album as they were released since I became a fan back in '94... had albums I loved and played to death (Emancipation, Rave, Planet Earth) and then other releases which left me cold (3121, Art Official Age)... but I always felt that a new Prince CD was essential, not just for collectors purposes, but because even the lesser albums were more than worth the cost of a CD.

Recently listening to Musicology again for the first time since his passing, it struck me how some of the albums I had once rated fairly lowly are actually much better than I had previously given them credit for. I guess his death puts things into perspective somewhat, suddenly the music is more precious than ever, because you realise it's not on an endless tap and that there will never be another new Prince album from the man himself.

I was never one of the harshest fans who routinely dismissed his latest offerings, and even before his death I always saw value in most of what he decided to put out, but now it feels like each album is gold dust in our hands and I can't help but feel like the old cliche is true about not knowing what you've got till it's gone.

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Reply #1 posted 04/24/16 4:41am

mano

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I think some of us did. I was guilty. I began not even listening to his latest stuff and thinking oh i'll check it out later. Back in the day i would run out to find his new music.

when he passed and people started posting all this footage of him i am now like omg what the hell was i thinking? This is the greatest genius of our lifetime.

I will now do the cliche thing and slowly make sure i have every song he every released.

sad

"I know I hold you too tight, but I just can't seem to get close enough." prince
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Reply #2 posted 04/24/16 4:43am

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Well I'm not sure. I own most of his albums too and before his passing, I've always thought that the New Power Soul album (aside from "The One) was his worst and I still feel the same about it now even after he's gone. I do agree that b/c he is gone, it makes you want to go and explore the albums you never really have heard or paid much attention to. Like right now I really need to find Crystal Ball and Chaos and Disorder for starters.
I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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Reply #3 posted 04/24/16 4:54am

theartistirl

I can honestly say I never did. I think it is absolutely great that everyone has different tastes and opinions, but I loved everything post warners. Anyone who knows will tell you I was like a broken record on this. However, some of his records did need serious repeat listening to pick up the arrangements.

About 3 months ago after reading a lot of negative talk, I decided to test my taste again. I listened to the entire back catalogue, from the latest release HNR 2 back until I reached for you. I listened to every album 2 times before moving to the next.

It was a truly amazing experiment. It really brought home how good prince, but basically reaffirmed my love for all his music, and confirmed I was not crazy. It also confirmed a prince song is unmistakenly a Prince song. His Production seemed to move from concept to a collection of wonderful songs and arrangements.

The whole NPG exodus period reminds of Prince doing his take on Parliament/funkadelic stuff from the 70's.

Even the much maligned HNR p1 has some great songs on it. I think with time it will be more kindly understood.

In summary this experience proved to that Prince really did it, different styles, different arrangements and Production. You could never accuse him of repeating the 80's. He took risks throughout.

And we haven't even spoke about this live performances.

I agree it is gold dust. Cherish them, him and the joy he gave us.
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Reply #4 posted 04/24/16 6:16am

teezee

Eh I think the last great stuff he put out was Musicology/3121. Ever since Planet Earth it's been downhill or stagnant, but not really something that evokes the word "great". Still doesn't mean he couldn't kick ass whenever he performed these last years.

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Reply #5 posted 04/25/16 2:11am

MattyJam

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teezee said:

Eh I think the last great stuff he put out was Musicology/3121. Ever since Planet Earth it's been downhill or stagnant, but not really something that evokes the word "great". Still doesn't mean he couldn't kick ass whenever he performed these last years.

You say that, but songs like Colonized Mind, Planet Earth, Future Soul Song, Ol Skool Company, Crimson & Clover, Way Back Home, Here, Anotherlove, The One U Wanna C... those songs are as good as anything else in his catalogue.

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Reply #6 posted 04/25/16 3:02am

LifeisGood

Hey MattyJam, try to think positive, maybe the vault will open up (like heaven itself) and out will come thirty new albums we've never heard before. It could potentially be incredible with new music videos, unreleased concert footage, etc. You never know what the future holds. smile

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Reply #7 posted 04/25/16 3:12am

jaawwnn

No, we were here because we didn't take it for granted. Sure, some might have not liked anything he put out in 20 (or 30) years but that was up to them. I would assume they still don't like the music in recent years, but if it has changed well then good. I think a lot of people figured they'd get around to newer stuff when they felt like getting back into Prince, and that was cool too. There was no rule that you had to be in 100% fan-mode at all times throughout your life.

What mattered to me was that he was still trying, even if I didn't always love the results I appreciated the effort. It was never boring and he didn't rest on his laurels with legacy releases/tours. Besides, there were always gems to be found. I'm very sad that we'll no longer hear his attempts to take on whatever is next in the pop world.


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Reply #8 posted 04/25/16 3:25am

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I did feel that some of his genius faded as he grew older...especially with his songwriting. But the brain is part of the body and the body deteriorates with age. There is nothing be ashamed of with that.

However the last two Atlanta shows demonstrated that he hadn't lost much, if anything with his live performances. His voice sounded great and he was full of passion. He should have had many more years left to entertain and I think it meant a lot to him that he coudl still rock a crowd like that.

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Reply #9 posted 04/25/16 3:28am

MattyJam

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FunkiestOne said:

I did feel that some of his genius faded as he grew older...especially with his songwriting.

I couldn't disagree more. Maybe the quantity of it diminished somewhat, but there are plenty of great songs to be found on his last few albums.

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Reply #10 posted 04/25/16 3:34am

Pentacle

MattyJam said:

You say that, but songs like Colonized Mind, Planet Earth, Future Soul Song, Ol Skool Company, Crimson & Clover, Way Back Home, Here, Anotherlove, The One U Wanna C... those songs are as good as anything else in his catalogue.


No, they're not but who cares if you enjoy them?

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Reply #11 posted 04/25/16 4:14am

PaisleyShark

I think the answer to your question is, yes, a lot of people did take him for granted. I wouldn't say that I did, necessarily, but I was less excited about HNR2 than I was 3121,for instance.

The response to his tragic death shouldn't be to act like everything he did was great (unless you thought that way before). I like the fact that we would disagree completely on which of his post-Warners albums were best, and I think that's a wonderful indicator of how good and varied he was this century.

I've decided to take a similar journey by working forwards through his official albums. I'm looking forward to it, and I hope that it will help me comes to terms with it all. His music has made me happy and sad over the last few days, but to paraphrase someone on one of the other threads, my feelings of being lucky and grateful are taking over my feelings of sadness and loss.
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Reply #12 posted 04/25/16 4:16am

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MattyJam said:



FunkiestOne said:


I did feel that some of his genius faded as he grew older...especially with his songwriting.




I couldn't disagree more. Maybe the quantity of it diminished somewhat, but there are plenty of great songs to be found on his last few albums.



Exactly...a wealth of brilliant material and performances until the very end. It is amazing that he became the world's greatest guitarist AFTER his commercial peak. The Piano clips are beautiful. His last official album is very good.
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Reply #13 posted 04/25/16 5:07am

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I guess another thing we don't always realize is that with age, at least for most people, ur capacity for being truly impressed and listening to the same album over and over diminushes. But i've enjoyed every Prince release till the very end. Of course maybe not with the same near-hysterical passion I had when I was a teenager, but with the same care and fondness. Some albums impressed me more than others, as I got to listen to lots of other things, but I've enjoyed every album. I truly hope Prince's legacy is handled with fairness when (hopefully) it comes to releasing vault material.

Too often public perception is like this:

1978-1979

1980-1987

1988-1993

1994-2016

In my case it's mouch more balanced with an similar level of interest for 1994-2016 than earleir eras.

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