http://www.tv3.ie/xpose/article/entertainment-news/200601/Jimmy-Jam-I-want-to-produce-the-recordings-in-Princes-Paisley-Park-vault

V10LETBLUES said:

Yikes! Can't help but feel like we're vultures. Never satisfied while he was here, now all we van think of is going through his stuff and picking at his bones.

Relax. Prince hyped that vault for 30 years. He was proud of it. It's not nefarious that people want to hear what's in it and get closer to him and his work. It's a treasure.

I think everything should be kept as it is. And everything shoud be made available. Preferably digitally, in a huge searchable database. But at least to researchers. NOTHING should be destroyed.

And PLEASE don't leave the material in the hands of those who would use it to promote themself.

JellyJam said:

JudasLChrist said:

Susan Rogers, Questlove, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, Wendy and Lisa. That's my shortlist of folks who should be on the board of directors for The Vault.

This. Couldn't agree more.

Bobby Z instead of Quest. He was literally there from the start, driving Prince around, helping from day one.

i literally think a judge woould prevetnt the destruction of said recordings on some legal precedent if that was hos wish which i dont think it was

keenly said:

BanishedBrian said:

I don't really understand why anybody needs to be involved.

If music from the Vault is going to be released, the only task is to clean up the quality of the tapes. It should be an engineer who does it. There is no need to "finish" anything - Prince recorded everything the way he wanted.

Unreleased tracks and box sets will need mixing, mastering, liner notes etc.

Leave that to specialist. No need for involvement from people that used to be in his camp 30 years ago.

paulludvig said:

I think everything should be kept as it is. And everything shoud be made available. Preferably digitally, in a huge searchable database. But at least to researchers. NOTHING should be destroyed.

And PLEASE don't leave the material in the hands of those who would use it to promote themself.

keenly said:

JellyJam said:

This. Couldn't agree more.

Bobby Z instead of Quest. He was literally there from the start, driving Prince around, helping from day one.

Get Bobby Z on board, totally. I actually think Questlove would add some value by being someone who's a little bit more detached from the production process, but obviously very engaged on a more conceptual level....

paulludvig said:

I think everything should be kept as it is. And everything shoud be made available. Preferably digitally, in a huge searchable database. But at least to researchers. NOTHING should be destroyed.

And PLEASE don't leave the material in the hands of those who would use it to promote themself.

Yeah, 100%. I see these guys are curators, not producers. Don't touch the material and try to "improve" it pls.

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paulludvig said:

keenly said:

Unreleased tracks and box sets will need mixing, mastering, liner notes etc.

Leave that to specialist. No need for involvement from people that used to be in his camp 30 years ago.

Some of those people CO WROTE THE MUSIC. They also co produced and played on it.

The live tracks on PR were arranged by all of them. W + L co wrote dozens of songs, a lot of them unreleased. Andre Cymone co wrote Controversy, I'm yours, Do Me Baby and others. Lisa co wrote a couple of Time tracks. Wendy and Lisa co produced a lot of tracks on Parade and co wrote two uncredited.

Prince has dedciated one track to others in his history? Who was that? One track in notes to three people. Never before or since. Those people meant a lot, and they loved him.

They deserve respect and deserve to be recognized, paid and known.

Revolution81 said:

Alan Leeds has to be involved

not the musical aspect, but I hope Alan Lisa Susan Wendy Bobby Matt Sheila Morris Cat Eric Jill Brenda etc do a real book together

mrwiggles said:

From what I've gathered about Alan Leeds through the years I'd have confidence in him being the overseer of such projects. He does not strike me as someone that would let it be done the wrong way.

He can be involved in the concert footage work

electricberet said:

My guess is that this is most likely to be handled by people we haven't heard of, who have worked on major archival projects for other artists recently.

But that's a worry in itself. Prince, and his world, was by definition so contrarian and difficult to fathom for the uninitiated. We don't want a major label throwing a corporate, templated approach to this; it's far too important, and also I suspect there's a sizeable body of learning amongst Prince fans that would make this too tricky a job for a bunch of suits working from a formula.

electricberet said:

My guess is that this is most likely to be handled by people we haven't heard of, who have worked on major archival projects for other artists recently.

And THAT would be a good idea!

joyinrepetition said:

From 1978-80 Dez, Andre, Fink, and Bobby should finish songs

From 1981-83 Dez, Mark, Fink Bobby and Lisa

From 1984-86 Wendy, Lisa, Fink, Mark, Eric, and Bobby

From 1987-89 Sheila, Levi, Fink,Eric, and Miko

From 1990-94 Levi. Miko, Michael B.

From 1995-present Various musician from the purple camp

back some of them up.

Lisa was in the 1980 recordings that were released in 81 for the Time and Dirty Mind

the Purple Rain era recordings started Spring 83 with Wendy Melvoin too

1987 was basically 1986 but after that I would at Cat too she was probably in studio with Prince more than Miko

and I would let Susan Rogers master the 1976/77 demos, I would love 2 hear Leaving 4 New York

keenly said:

paulludvig said:

Leave that to specialist. No need for involvement from people that used to be in his camp 30 years ago.

Some of those people CO WROTE THE MUSIC. They also co produced and played on it.

The live tracks on PR were arranged by all of them. W + L co wrote dozens of songs, a lot of them unreleased. Andre Cymone co wrote Controversy, I'm yours, Do Me Baby and others. Lisa co wrote a couple of Time tracks. Wendy and Lisa co produced a lot of tracks on Parade and co wrote two uncredited.

Prince has dedciated one track to others in his history? Who was that? One track in notes to three people. Never before or since. Those people meant a lot, and they loved him.

They deserve respect and deserve to be recognized, paid and known.

We have this idea that these people were very important. Why? Because they themself have told us so. Give them the keys to the vault and they will make it seem like they themself were the most important creative factor in the creation of the music from that time. That could be right of course, but I would like to be the judge for that myself. Give EVERYBODY the keys to the vault. Put it out there!

OldFriends4Sale said:

joyinrepetition said:

From 1978-80 Dez, Andre, Fink, and Bobby should finish songs

From 1981-83 Dez, Mark, Fink Bobby and Lisa

From 1984-86 Wendy, Lisa, Fink, Mark, Eric, and Bobby

From 1987-89 Sheila, Levi, Fink,Eric, and Miko

From 1990-94 Levi. Miko, Michael B.

From 1995-present Various musician from the purple camp

back some of them up.

Lisa was in the 1980 recordings that were released in 81 for the Time and Dirty Mind

the Purple Rain era recordings started Spring 83 with Wendy Melvoin too

1987 was basically 1986 but after that I would at Cat too she was probably in studio with Prince more than Miko

and I would let Susan Rogers master the 1976/77 demos, I would love 2 hear Leaving 4 New York

Miko was in the studio with Prince a lot.

Why would you let SR mix 76/77 recordings?

paulludvig said:

All of these folks are to self-serving. If they get their hands on the material they will make it look like they wrote everything. They have been able to shape the way we think about Prince's career way to much. Have you read Eric Leeds' 'tribute' to Prince. He only talks about himself and his closest friends from that time. Not one word of praise for Prince as a musician.

No they won't

They have been very upfront in honesty about the music

I think Eric should be involved in any Madhouse remastering but the Prince album releases are another thing. the Family (if there are outtakes would be good)

EnDoRpHn said:

Susan Rogers is one of the last people Prince would want anywhere near the vault.

This is from the retracted Ebony interview that he gave in December 2015 (the full text is online if you know where to look):

"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the
vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal.
Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come
up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find
something to do. That’s scary."

You may not like it, but those are his own words, written in response to her interview with BBC last year. He clearly resented the intrusion.

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he regreted what he said

mynameisnotsusan said:

EnDoRpHn said:

Susan Rogers is one of the last people Prince would want anywhere near the vault.

This is from the retracted Ebony interview that he gave in December 2015 (the full text is online if you know where to look):

"There was one engineer who said that their sole purpose in life was to get the stuff out of the
vault, and get it copied so it wasn’t lost to the world. I’m trying to figure out if that’s illegal.
Should I fear for my safety that you might need some medical attention? You want to come
up in my vault and you feel like that belongs to you and that’s your purpose? You better find
something to do. That’s scary."

You may not like it, but those are his own words, written in response to her interview with BBC last year. He clearly resented the intrusion.

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I doubt she'll get anywhere near it. Same with W&L. They haven't been involved for decades.

but a lot of the Roadhouse Garden & Dream Factory work was co-written, that is why he wanted to get back with them in 1999 to release it.

side note: Susannah Melvoin has the album artwork for the Dream Factory album

JudasLChrist said:

limoncello said:

I've read many of Eric's interviews in which he said he wasn't a fan of Prince's music.

No you haven't.

(Deleted because I was contibuting to the thing I complained about.) Have a nice day.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

EnDoRpHn said: I doubt she'll get anywhere near it. Same with W&L. They haven't been involved for decades.

but a lot of the Roadhouse Garden & Dream Factory work was co-written, that is why he wanted to get back with them in 1999 to release it.

side note: Susannah Melvoin has the album artwork for the Dream Factory album

How much?

We don't know if that would have actually been used had DF been released.

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

back some of them up.

Lisa was in the 1980 recordings that were released in 81 for the Time and Dirty Mind

the Purple Rain era recordings started Spring 83 with Wendy Melvoin too

1987 was basically 1986 but after that I would at Cat too she was probably in studio with Prince more than Miko

and I would let Susan Rogers master the 1976/77 demos, I would love 2 hear Leaving 4 New York

Miko was in the studio with Prince a lot.

Why would you let SR mix 76/77 recordings?

Not really, but I'm not saying not have him, I'm just saying Cat was definately in studio with Prince so add her on.

Susan Rogers just because she is good. Just remaster, I wouldn't want to loose too much of that demoish quality just make it more crisp

paulludvig said:

keenly said:

Some of those people CO WROTE THE MUSIC. They also co produced and played on it.

The live tracks on PR were arranged by all of them. W + L co wrote dozens of songs, a lot of them unreleased. Andre Cymone co wrote Controversy, I'm yours, Do Me Baby and others. Lisa co wrote a couple of Time tracks. Wendy and Lisa co produced a lot of tracks on Parade and co wrote two uncredited.

Prince has dedciated one track to others in his history? Who was that? One track in notes to three people. Never before or since. Those people meant a lot, and they loved him.

They deserve respect and deserve to be recognized, paid and known.

We have this idea that these people were very important. Why? Because they themself have told us so. Give them the keys to the vault and they will make it seem like they themself were the most important creative factor in the creation of the music from that time. That could be right of course, but I would like to be the judge for that myself. Give EVERYBODY the keys to the vault. Put it out there!

Just because they were in the band/camp should be enough
I just want it released. And I would rather it by by the people who helped present the music to the world than people who had no connection or working understanding of Prince during the times

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

but a lot of the Roadhouse Garden & Dream Factory work was co-written, that is why he wanted to get back with them in 1999 to release it.

side note: Susannah Melvoin has the album artwork for the Dream Factory album

How much?

We don't know if that would have actually been used had DF been released.

Does it matter? Prince had her do the artwork for the album, he okd it I just want it all

paulludvig said:

keenly said:

Some of those people CO WROTE THE MUSIC. They also co produced and played on it.

The live tracks on PR were arranged by all of them. W + L co wrote dozens of songs, a lot of them unreleased. Andre Cymone co wrote Controversy, I'm yours, Do Me Baby and others. Lisa co wrote a couple of Time tracks. Wendy and Lisa co produced a lot of tracks on Parade and co wrote two uncredited.

Prince has dedciated one track to others in his history? Who was that? One track in notes to three people. Never before or since. Those people meant a lot, and they loved him.

They deserve respect and deserve to be recognized, paid and known.

We have this idea that these people were very important. Why? Because they themself have told us so. Give them the keys to the vault and they will make it seem like they themself were the most important creative factor in the creation of the music from that time. That could be right of course, but I would like to be the judge for that myself. Give EVERYBODY the keys to the vault. Put it out there!

Prince said 'heaven sent helpers' for a reason.

None of them have huge egos. They are very honest, good people. You need to show them more respect.

paulludvig said:

electricberet said:

My guess is that this is most likely to be handled by people we haven't heard of, who have worked on major archival projects for other artists recently.

And THAT would be a good idea!

No it would not.

keenly said:

paulludvig said:

We have this idea that these people were very important. Why? Because they themself have told us so. Give them the keys to the vault and they will make it seem like they themself were the most important creative factor in the creation of the music from that time. That could be right of course, but I would like to be the judge for that myself. Give EVERYBODY the keys to the vault. Put it out there!

Prince said 'heaven sent helpers' for a reason.

None of them have huge egos. They are very honest, good people. You need to show them more respect.

They have enormous egos!

Leave the vault as it is. Don't tamper with it. Make it available for researchers. That's the most important thing.