My wife and I were in the 10th row at Oracle arena in Oakland 6 weeks ago, and a few songs into the show she commented that Prince didn't look well. She felt like something was seriously wrong with him and she told me "I hope I'm wrong, but he looks like someone with not too long to live."

Unfortunately she was right.

terrig said:

dJJ said:

Yeah. I remember commenting here that I thought he was getting too thin.

I suspect there was something going on.

Thing is, he didn't share that with the world. So, in that respect, I just feel so bad about that docter D. spilling the beans.

He looked thin...but fwiw, he looked great for 57 but he also looked like a 57 y/o guy who for most of his life barely slept - and the phsyical nature of making music is nto common knowledge really - he performed at superhuman levels of excellence and mastery for 40 years. Think about it, Prince did the incredible a a matter of course. It was NORMAL to him. Thats just what he did. Play all day play all night barely sleep, eat a little, add travel - different time zones - different weather - staying in hotels and flying so much sets up conditions for a break down of immunity.

....at some point the body starts to complain - someone like Prince can and will WILL his body to continue - by the time someone like Prince actually acknowledges pain - hes in way more pain that you realize. Also sleep is when your body repairs itself. Prince did very very very little sleeping. Over 40 its magnified 10-fold.

I believe the dehydration of the flu - I have experience with it, my room mate had a flu for 2 weeks - one day we were eating breakfast and we thought he was fine, and boom he slumped over and slid onto the floor. After I got him to the hospital - severe dehydration. If that happened during Princes flight of course they couldnt take the additional 48 minutes ot get to Minnie. I dont believe he OD'd. The dehydration story is plausible and dehydration that severe - especially after not one but two shows - makes sense if he was ill during the week.

I do believe he didnt understand nor realize how ill he could become - as in the case of my room mate the doctor told us to keep him home for 2 weeks so he wouldnt develp walking pnuemoia - that can kill you, and there are no real stats as to who lives and who dies with the flu or pnuemonia - it depends on your existing condition.

He probably was taking pain killers - for hips knees ankle back shoulder pain - HOURS UPON HOURS UPON HOURS for YEARS of playing is physically demanding. I'm sure he used some meds but if you also combine them with maybe tamiflu or other cold medicine -no sleep- and not seeing a doctor after that hosiptal stop - I think its entirely possible to set up conditions for the body to simply give out. Either a heart attack or some such catastrophic event that was accidnetal but aided along by a stacking set up of circumstances that at 37 is one thing and at 57 can be fatal.

Prince ground his machine to a halt - at least thats what it appears like to me. I'm 52 myself and recnetly broke my foot while on a job in NYC - guess what... I kept shooting after I broke it, because I thought it wasnt broken. It took 3 people to convince me to go get an xray and I KNOW BETTER but instinct and the shock and the professionalism takes over and you go 'Im fine'. And you believe youre fine. I wnetf or the xray to prove my freinds wrong. and guess what the Dr was like 'how the hell did you walk in here?' I can TOTALLY imagine that Prince ENTIRELY thought he was fine. I also believe no one could tell im differently either.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong but the OD thing is so anathema to everything Prince stood for that until actually proven I refuse to believe it. His body became overwhelmed and stopped - that's what Im desperate to belive really so maybe this post will be really pathetic later after we find out what happened but - its so tough to process - and while he may have been physically alone - he was entirely surround by everything he loved...he spent every waking minute making music - while in the elevator God offered him the ladder and he said 'I'm out'...

I fully agree with this. As you said it is possible the painkiller information is all true, but given Prince's incredible output for so many years and everything else you've outlined, his body just shutting down is completely plausible. "The candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long". In thi sense, it's amazing that he lasted as long as he did. RIP Prince

vocalhitman said:

terrig said:

He looked thin...but fwiw, he looked great for 57 but he also looked like a 57 y/o guy who for most of his life barely slept - and the phsyical nature of making music is nto common knowledge really - he performed at superhuman levels of excellence and mastery for 40 years. Think about it, Prince did the incredible a a matter of course. It was NORMAL to him. Thats just what he did. Play all day play all night barely sleep, eat a little, add travel - different time zones - different weather - staying in hotels and flying so much sets up conditions for a break down of immunity.

....at some point the body starts to complain - someone like Prince can and will WILL his body to continue - by the time someone like Prince actually acknowledges pain - hes in way more pain that you realize. Also sleep is when your body repairs itself. Prince did very very very little sleeping. Over 40 its magnified 10-fold.

I believe the dehydration of the flu - I have experience with it, my room mate had a flu for 2 weeks - one day we were eating breakfast and we thought he was fine, and boom he slumped over and slid onto the floor. After I got him to the hospital - severe dehydration. If that happened during Princes flight of course they couldnt take the additional 48 minutes ot get to Minnie. I dont believe he OD'd. The dehydration story is plausible and dehydration that severe - especially after not one but two shows - makes sense if he was ill during the week.

I do believe he didnt understand nor realize how ill he could become - as in the case of my room mate the doctor told us to keep him home for 2 weeks so he wouldnt develp walking pnuemoia - that can kill you, and there are no real stats as to who lives and who dies with the flu or pnuemonia - it depends on your existing condition.

He probably was taking pain killers - for hips knees ankle back shoulder pain - HOURS UPON HOURS UPON HOURS for YEARS of playing is physically demanding. I'm sure he used some meds but if you also combine them with maybe tamiflu or other cold medicine -no sleep- and not seeing a doctor after that hosiptal stop - I think its entirely possible to set up conditions for the body to simply give out. Either a heart attack or some such catastrophic event that was accidnetal but aided along by a stacking set up of circumstances that at 37 is one thing and at 57 can be fatal.

Prince ground his machine to a halt - at least thats what it appears like to me. I'm 52 myself and recnetly broke my foot while on a job in NYC - guess what... I kept shooting after I broke it, because I thought it wasnt broken. It took 3 people to convince me to go get an xray and I KNOW BETTER but instinct and the shock and the professionalism takes over and you go 'Im fine'. And you believe youre fine. I wnetf or the xray to prove my freinds wrong. and guess what the Dr was like 'how the hell did you walk in here?' I can TOTALLY imagine that Prince ENTIRELY thought he was fine. I also believe no one could tell im differently either.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong but the OD thing is so anathema to everything Prince stood for that until actually proven I refuse to believe it. His body became overwhelmed and stopped - that's what Im desperate to belive really so maybe this post will be really pathetic later after we find out what happened but - its so tough to process - and while he may have been physically alone - he was entirely surround by everything he loved...he spent every waking minute making music - while in the elevator God offered him the ladder and he said 'I'm out'...

I fully agree with this. As you said it is possible the painkiller information is all true, but given Prince's incredible output for so many years and everything else you've outlined, his body just shutting down is completely plausible. "The candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long". In thi sense, it's amazing that he lasted as long as he did. RIP Prince

I don't believe Prince knew he didn't have long to live. The whole memoir thing, the "Way Back Home" song... this man was getting a bit older, maybe reflecting on life a little bit differently than before, but this was not one long goodbye. He wasnt feeling well recently and it hurts me so much to think he was really worried about his health going back to that pharmacy 4 times "looking nervous"... I looked a the pictures in this thread and he looked just fine. Sometimes his age was showing , but he still looked fine. I don't know if it was indeed a wrong use of painkillers that killed him, although it is possible.

Somehow I even prefer the whole explanation of his body just having had enough of such an intense life. It makes his sudden death a bit easier to accept : you don't want anyone you love to suffer. On the other hand, if he just stubbornly continued without paying attention to any signs warning him to take it easier - and let's face it, making music, doing concerts is what he lived for; winding down is just not who he was - then I could be angry at him for not taking care of himself the way he should have. Anger is an emotion I think is easier to handle for me right now. I have shed so many tears in the past few days and I'm still crying. I don't ask myself any longer if this is normal or not. I don't care. Right now, all I want is for the pain to go away...

no way he looked healthy here

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCpYmatmLVD/?hl=en

dJJ said:

he looked really healthy here at Grammys 2013

https://www.facebook.com/lisa.richardson.338/posts/10154712356499881

ficktyt said:

In retrospect I now see the same thing. I saw him in CT at the three shows he did at the end of 2013 and not again until the Paisley Park show this past January. Big difference. I was in the front row for one of the CT shows and for the Paisley Park show. I attributed the difference to being a couple years older and the aging process finally catching up with him, but now it seems there was something going on. Maybe just the pain--who knows, but something was amiss.

I just watched "Crazy2Cool", When was it, December?

The way he dances at the end of "Cool"...it just doesnt strike me as someone whos ill or having problems with Hips/Knees

but what do I know..

Revolution81 said:

I just watched "Crazy2Cool", When was it, December?

The way he dances at the end of "Cool"...it just doesnt strike me as someone whos ill or having problems with Hips/Knees

but what do I know..

that was 2014 june

lwr001 said:

Revolution81 said:

I just watched "Crazy2Cool", When was it, December?

The way he dances at the end of "Cool"...it just doesnt strike me as someone whos ill or having problems with Hips/Knees

but what do I know..

that was 2014 june

wow time flies

Revolution81 said:

lwr001 said:

that was 2014 june

wow time flies

there was a def paradigm shift in his health and look in the last year and half

lwr001 said:

Revolution81 said:

wow time flies

there was a def paradigm shift in his health and look in the last year and half

I never really noticed. It was just whilst watching that I was thinking, he looks fine.

I think it was put on tidal around december so probably why i got muddled up

peri1025 said:

I agree he didn't look well. I'm looking at videos from 2014 compared to 2015 and there's a big shift. Also, he appeared rather sad to me in the past year.

I really think his health problems over the past few years just wore him down. That can be really demoralizing and depressing after awhile. And I'm talking about his hip problems but he also said he had vertigo sometimes and who knows what else.

I don't really see it. He got a little thinner, but not as skinny as he was in the 90's.

peri1025 said:

I agree he didn't look well. I'm looking at videos from 2014 compared to 2015 and there's a big shift. Also, he appeared rather sad to me in the past year.

agreed

Starlit said:

vocalhitman said:

I fully agree with this. As you said it is possible the painkiller information is all true, but given Prince's incredible output for so many years and everything else you've outlined, his body just shutting down is completely plausible. "The candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long". In thi sense, it's amazing that he lasted as long as he did. RIP Prince

I don't believe Prince knew he didn't have long to live. The whole memoir thing, the "Way Back Home" song... this man was getting a bit older, maybe reflecting on life a little bit differently than before, but this was not one long goodbye. He wasnt feeling well recently and it hurts me so much to think he was really worried about his health going back to that pharmacy 4 times "looking nervous"... I looked a the pictures in this thread and he looked just fine. Sometimes his age was showing , but he still looked fine. I don't know if it was indeed a wrong use of painkillers that killed him, although it is possible.

Somehow I even prefer the whole explanation of his body just having had enough of such an intense life. It makes his sudden death a bit easier to accept : you don't want anyone you love to suffer. On the other hand, if he just stubbornly continued without paying attention to any signs warning him to take it easier - and let's face it, making music, doing concerts is what he lived for; winding down is just not who he was - then I could be angry at him for not taking care of himself the way he should have. Anger is an emotion I think is easier to handle for me right now. I have shed so many tears in the past few days and I'm still crying. I don't ask myself any longer if this is normal or not. I don't care. Right now, all I want is for the pain to go away...

You are right. Winding down is just not who he was. He could control most things, but health at 57 is nothing to mess with. Try to focus on other things for a few days. Get outside and clear your head. And think about what he gave us and be grateful that you got to experience him. He would not want anyone to be sad right now.

vocalhitman said:

terrig said:

He looked thin...but fwiw, he looked great for 57 but he also looked like a 57 y/o guy who for most of his life barely slept - and the phsyical nature of making music is nto common knowledge really - he performed at superhuman levels of excellence and mastery for 40 years. Think about it, Prince did the incredible a a matter of course. It was NORMAL to him. Thats just what he did. Play all day play all night barely sleep, eat a little, add travel - different time zones - different weather - staying in hotels and flying so much sets up conditions for a break down of immunity.

....at some point the body starts to complain - someone like Prince can and will WILL his body to continue - by the time someone like Prince actually acknowledges pain - hes in way more pain that you realize. Also sleep is when your body repairs itself. Prince did very very very little sleeping. Over 40 its magnified 10-fold.

I believe the dehydration of the flu - I have experience with it, my room mate had a flu for 2 weeks - one day we were eating breakfast and we thought he was fine, and boom he slumped over and slid onto the floor. After I got him to the hospital - severe dehydration. If that happened during Princes flight of course they couldnt take the additional 48 minutes ot get to Minnie. I dont believe he OD'd. The dehydration story is plausible and dehydration that severe - especially after not one but two shows - makes sense if he was ill during the week.

I do believe he didnt understand nor realize how ill he could become - as in the case of my room mate the doctor told us to keep him home for 2 weeks so he wouldnt develp walking pnuemoia - that can kill you, and there are no real stats as to who lives and who dies with the flu or pnuemonia - it depends on your existing condition.

He probably was taking pain killers - for hips knees ankle back shoulder pain - HOURS UPON HOURS UPON HOURS for YEARS of playing is physically demanding. I'm sure he used some meds but if you also combine them with maybe tamiflu or other cold medicine -no sleep- and not seeing a doctor after that hosiptal stop - I think its entirely possible to set up conditions for the body to simply give out. Either a heart attack or some such catastrophic event that was accidnetal but aided along by a stacking set up of circumstances that at 37 is one thing and at 57 can be fatal.

Prince ground his machine to a halt - at least thats what it appears like to me. I'm 52 myself and recnetly broke my foot while on a job in NYC - guess what... I kept shooting after I broke it, because I thought it wasnt broken. It took 3 people to convince me to go get an xray and I KNOW BETTER but instinct and the shock and the professionalism takes over and you go 'Im fine'. And you believe youre fine. I wnetf or the xray to prove my freinds wrong. and guess what the Dr was like 'how the hell did you walk in here?' I can TOTALLY imagine that Prince ENTIRELY thought he was fine. I also believe no one could tell im differently either.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong but the OD thing is so anathema to everything Prince stood for that until actually proven I refuse to believe it. His body became overwhelmed and stopped - that's what Im desperate to belive really so maybe this post will be really pathetic later after we find out what happened but - its so tough to process - and while he may have been physically alone - he was entirely surround by everything he loved...he spent every waking minute making music - while in the elevator God offered him the ladder and he said 'I'm out'...

I fully agree with this. As you said it is possible the painkiller information is all true, but given Prince's incredible output for so many years and everything else you've outlined, his body just shutting down is completely plausible. "The candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long". In thi sense, it's amazing that he lasted as long as he did. RIP Prince

To the bolded part in the top post reminds of Prince quote, "I tell you there is no one around that can stay awake longer than me".

I remember a article from long time ago back like the '80s or '90s, I believe he said he slept like average like 4 hours when he slept.

paulludvig said:

I don't really see it. He got a little thinner, but not as skinny as he was in the 90's.

I would encourage you to look at the Grammyy video form 2013 when he presneted to Gyote then compare to AMA with the weekend..that there is enough