jesme1999 said:

Ahhhhhhh ! I can finally post ! It's excruciating waiting , reading and wanting to chime in. Something that has been bothering me is the fact that the doctors son flew from California to Minnesota on a life saving mission ...someone was in grave medical danger...but he got a room, likely a shower , got a good nights sleep and probably breakfast first ? How then , does that fit in with his defense of him being on a life saving mission ? I'm not accusing anyone of anything here, but it just seems he would have been taken straight to Paisley Park when he arrived ... If I'm going to try to save someone I'm not going to wait until the next morning. Sadly, I've had to be part of interventions before , I've had way too much experience in dealing with my ex and his addiction and it just seems off to me. Supposedly Prince knew he was coming, so why wait until the next day ? I'm a believer in when it's your time it's your time and I guess I should leave it at that , but it just bugs me ! Am I alone on this ?

Sadly, you're not.

jesme1999 said:

Ahhhhhhh ! I can finally post ! It's excruciating waiting , reading and wanting to chime in. Something that has been bothering me is the fact that the doctors son flew from California to Minnesota on a life saving mission ...someone was in grave medical danger...but he got a room, likely a shower , got a good nights sleep and probably breakfast first ? How then , does that fit in with his defense of him being on a life saving mission ? I'm not accusing anyone of anything here, but it just seems he would have been taken straight to Paisley Park when he arrived ... If I'm going to try to save someone I'm not going to wait until the next morning. Sadly, I've had to be part of interventions before , I've had way too much experience in dealing with my ex and his addiction and it just seems off to me. Supposedly Prince knew he was coming, so why wait until the next day ? I'm a believer in when it's your time it's your time and I guess I should leave it at that , but it just bugs me ! Am I alone on this ?

My understanding -- and I could be wrong about this -- was that that doctor's son took a redeye flight to Minneapolis. So it may be the case that he went straight to Paisley Park.

jesme1999 said:

it just seems he would have been taken straight to Paisley Park when he arrived ... If I'm going to try to save someone I'm not going to wait until the next morning.

Because that's when Prince was willing to see someone. We know that, don't we? Prince saw people on his schedule. Anything you've heard differently would be a surprise to me.

What I find non-obvious is why the dr. father was scheduled to come out Friday. My interpretation at this point is that they didn't expect Prince to agree easily to go to treatment, otherwise they would have presumed that Prince would be in CA by then.

dustoff said:

My understanding -- and I could be wrong about this -- was that that doctor's son took a redeye flight to Minneapolis. So it may be the case that he went straight to Paisley Park.

The attorney said Prince reps picked him up at the airport and brought him to hotel near PP, then picked him up about 9:30 and took him to PP. Didn't say how long the son was at the hotel.

cardinal said:

psychodelicide said:

Prince said that at his last concert? Awww, that makes me sad. I hope Prince knew how much his fans loved and appreciated him, and how devastated and sad we all are by his untimely death. I cried for a week after learning that Prince was no longer with us. It's so hard to wrap my mind around the fact that he really is gone.

yes, he did say that. I forced myself to listen to that concert in case the link was taken down. and he said it very heartfelt. not cocky like he was trying to rev up the crowd but very genuine. it seemed like he was connected to his fans in a very deep way. like you, i hope he knew how much he was loved by so many, not just for his music, but for his soul. he seemed genuinely uplifted by all the well messages he got after the plane incident. i try and hang onto that, especially since articles are coming out claiming he was depressed. i am still in shock, too some days. two weeks out and when i see the dates of his life, i am blown away that we have to talk about him in the past tense.

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It felt that way during the concert, too, while there. It truly was the best concert I've ever seen. There was an energy during that show that can't be put into words.

Eileen said:

dustoff said:

My understanding -- and I could be wrong about this -- was that that doctor's son took a redeye flight to Minneapolis. So it may be the case that he went straight to Paisley Park.

The attorney said Prince reps picked him up at the airport and brought him to hotel near PP, then picked him up about 9:30 and took him to PP. Didn't say how long the son was at the hotel.

Ah, OK. Thanks for the correction.

prittypriss said:

I don't know about you all but I have been extremely hesitant to believe ANYTHING that the media says regarding Prince and how his death. Even this story with the Dr, and how he was going to rehab the next day? I just don't know. Someting about it sounds wrong to me. I'm not even convinced he had a pain killer addiction. Is it just me or does anyone else feel like this story isn't correct either...

jesme1999 said:

headtripparade said:

morningsong said:

They didn't give any drugs to Prince, then this is a completely non-issue.

I was just relaying what the TMZ report said. Certainly a non-issue as far as Prince's death is concerned, but the lawyer did say he is fearful charges would be brought against his client. So it's hardly a non-issue for this guy who shows up on a whim to do his job and gets thrown into this cluster and could now be prosecuted. I hope they don't bring charges against him, but I agree they're out for blood right now. They're going to take someone down even if that someone was showing up to help.

I read somewhere (trying to find it among the myriad of legitimate sources online) that Andrew Kornfeld will most likely be protected under the Good Samaritan law for making the 911 call to report the death (if it was indeed an overdose). According to what I read (via the Associated Press) he is possibly being investigated for carrying a controlled substance:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dc42f3c72caf44198d1eb72ab0d65ff6/latest-lawyer-addiction-doctor-son-never-met-prince

This is something I thought about among all the "what ifs" ... what if this was indeed to be an intervention from Prince's circle .... and what if Dr. Kornfeld had notified authorities near PP (he was not acting under doctor-patient confidientiality and in breach of the HIPPA laws as he had not actively become P's doctor) ... and what if local EMT's and the police had arrived at PP to check on P - could his death have been prevented. Yes, surely he would've been angry that people in his circle breached confidentiality and reached out for help ... but he would still be alive. I would much rather be fired and able to live my life knowing P was alive than to be his enabler and co-dependent on his behavior if he was indeed abusing pain medication and live with the guilt of what inevitably happened. Just grasping at straws and so damn sad that something wasn't done differenly that could have easily saved his life.

"An expert on treating addiction has questioned whether a California doctor responded appropriately when he was called to help Prince.

Speaking without direct knowledge of Prince's case, addiction medicine expert Dr. Stuart Gitlow questioned why Dr. Howard Kornfeld sent his son, Andrew, on a flight to Prince's home in Minnesota rather than calling for emergency help.

The Kornfelds' lawyer, William Mauzy, said Wednesday that Prince's representatives told Howard Kornfeld that the singer was "dealing with a grave medical emergency" when they first contacted him the day before the musician's death.

Gitlow says if a doctor believes there is a medical emergency, "his obligation is to call an ambulance and get the patient to emergency personnel who can assess the situation — not to fly to the patient."

headtripparade said:

morningsong said:

They didn't give any drugs to Prince, then this is a completely non-issue.

I was just relaying what the TMZ report said. Certainly a non-issue as far as Prince's death is concerned, but the lawyer did say he is fearful charges would be brought against his client. So it's hardly a non-issue for this guy who shows up on a whim to do his job and gets thrown into this cluster and could now be prosecuted. I hope they don't bring charges against him, but I agree they're out for blood right now. They're going to take someone down even if that someone was showing up to help.

I'm no legal or medical expert however, is the legal issue here the fact that Andrew Kornfeld transported across state lines a controlled medical substance? Thought the attorney stated (in a printed interview) that he thought the Good Samaritan Law would protect Kornfeld's son, since he made the 911 call.

herb4 said:

2funkE said:

This could have been avoided if he had of just had a darn hip replacement.

Not necessarily. Surgeries like that and with the back are very hit and miss. Very tricky. A lot of people have them and still have the same pain.

Little Richard had what I read was a botched hip surgery, ever since he hasn't been nearly the same extroverted guy.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-was-under-Minnesota-doctors-care-for-weeks-over-withdrawal-symptoms/378419741/

On May 7 at 12:55 a.m., The Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting that Prince was seeing a physician for opioid withdrawal.

delirious26 said:

bilbolives said:

norsknurse said:

mrwiggles said:

bilbolives said:

http://www.startribune.com/prince-was-under-Minnesota-doctors-care-for-weeks-over-withdrawal-symptoms/378419741/

On May 7 at 12:55 a.m., The Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting that Prince was seeing a physician for opioid withdrawal.

Serious but stable conditon is what they say about someome recovering in a hospital...Not trying to assume anything however, it seems to be neglignce all around

paulludvig said:

lwr001 said:

lwr001 said:

donnyenglish said:

lwr001 said:

Serious but stable conditon is what they say about someome recovering in a hospital...Not trying to assume anything however, it seems to be neglignce all around

Exactly. He did so much for others and he died because no one did anything for him in a time where it could not have been more clear that he needed help. The man was just unconscious and had an emergency landing 6 days prior. The California doctor felt like he was on a life saving mission. Clearly someone around him also knew that his life was in danger. But he was left alone that night. Tragic.

Tottally agree. I still can't understand, why?

We are playing with fire when it comes to presription medications. They have a purpose and their time and place, but we use them so frequently and then place a negative stigma on people when they become addicted (generally). I hurt my back years ago, luckily I didn't need surgery but I did need some painkillers. I was seeing dr's for months and everytime I saw a doctor I was offered another 30 days of pain meds. Luckily I needed them only for about a month, but I can see why people get addicted when they are offered like that. Someone of Prince's status I'm sure had no issues getting them.

mrwiggles said:

Eileen said:

dustoff said:

My understanding -- and I could be wrong about this -- was that that doctor's son took a redeye flight to Minneapolis. So it may be the case that he went straight to Paisley Park.

The attorney said Prince reps picked him up at the airport and brought him to hotel near PP, then picked him up about 9:30 and took him to PP. Didn't say how long the son was at the hotel.

The Wellness Center is just north of San Francisco. If the doctor's son left from San Francisco it could have been a redeye. Delta has a nonstop flight that leaves SanFrancisco at 12:30 am and arrives at Minneapolis at 6:04 in the morning. If that was the flight he took he might have been taken to the hotel first to freshen up and wait for Prince to wake up.