spastic78 said:

Here's a great investigative article that explains the hell of OxyContin/Percosets and how it became a problem for many. Most chronic pain patients, like Prince, don't stand a chance of being "addiction free" once they start unless they don't mind living on the couch in isolation for a few months while the shit ravages your mind, soul and body (rehab) http://static.latimes.com...tification

This is why it is strongly suggested to have a Pain Management Doctor and/or an Addiction Doctor oversee this process (which can take months or even years). I believe a Pain Management Doctor would have been of great help to Prince. From what I have read/heard, Dr. Howard Kornfeld did both medical areas - he is a Pain Management Doctor AND an Addiction Doctor (which I didn't know until I had done some research about Dr. Kornfeld - my sincere apologies to Dr. Kornfeld). My theory, and it is just a theory at this point: Prince may have been told: "There is an Addiction Doctor coming....", and Prince panicked, thinking that meant that his pain medications were just going to be automatically taken away from him. If Prince would have been told: "Dr. Kornfeld is a Pain Management Doctor also", and Dr. Kornfeld could have seen Prince, I believe he could have helped him find ways to deal with his chronic pain. It used to be that you just went to your general Medical Doctor for everything - that is not the case today. Those that suffer with chronic pain know this. Most people don't know about these (relatively new) medical specialities and the doctors that oversee them - people that have actually been through the struggle of chronic pain, day after day after day, are becoming more familiar about the specialties of Pain Management and Addiction Withdrawal. AND as many, many fans here have pointed out, it is a VERY fine line between managing your pain meds and becoming addicted.

Be gentle, we come here as fans of Prince - we have giant holes in our hearts now. Rest In Peace, Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

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mailaccount63 said:

spastic78 said:

Here's a great investigative article that explains the hell of OxyContin/Percosets and how it became a problem for many. Most chronic pain patients, like Prince, don't stand a chance of being "addiction free" once they start unless they don't mind living on the couch in isolation for a few months while the shit ravages your mind, soul and body (rehab) http://static.latimes.com...tification

This is why it is strongly suggested to have a Pain Management Doctor and/or an Addiction Doctor oversee this process (which can take months or even years). I believe a Pain Management Doctor would have been of great help to Prince. From what I have read/heard, Dr. Howard Kornfeld did both medical areas - he is a Pain Management Doctor AND an Addiction Doctor (which I didn't know until I had done some research about Dr. Kornfeld - my sincere apologies to Dr. Kornfeld). My theory, and it is just a theory at this point: Prince may have been told: "There is an Addiction Doctor coming....", and Prince panicked, thinking that meant that his pain medications were just going to be automatically taken away from him. If Prince would have been told: "Dr. Kornfeld is a Pain Management Doctor also", and Dr. Kornfeld could have seen Prince, I believe he could have helped him find ways to deal with his chronic pain. It used to be that you just went to your general Medical Doctor for everything - that is not the case today. Those that suffer with chronic pain know this. Most people don't know about these (relatively new) medical specialities and the doctors that oversee them - people that have actually been through the struggle of chronic pain, day after day after day, are becoming more familiar about the specialties of Pain Management and Addiction Withdrawal. AND as many, many fans here have pointed out, it is a VERY fine line between managing your pain meds and becoming addicted.

Be gentle, we come here as fans of Prince - we have giant holes in our hearts now. Rest In Peace, Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

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This could have been avoided if he had of just had a darn hip replacement. If he needed a double hip replacement, and refused to do so, the pain would have been excruciating over time. No wonder the guy was addicted to Perc.

2funkE said:

This could have been avoided if he had of just had a darn hip replacement. If he needed a double hip replacement, and refused to do so, the pain would have been excruciating over time. No wonder the guy was addicted to Perc.

It's actually amazing Prince wasn't addicted to something heavier than Percs. The pain must have been awful.

Be gentle, we come here as fans of Prince - we have giant holes in our hearts now. Rest In Peace, Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

XxAxX said:

herb4 said:

Worth noting too that often surgery doesn't work at all (especially operations having to do with nerve clusters and sensitive joints) and is prohibitively expensive on top of it for the average person.

That's the other thing. Given the sorry state of health care coverage in the U.S., it's entirely reasonable for someone to opt for opioids over a surgery that not only may not fix the problem, but which also can bankrupt most people. The cortisone shot I got in my spine hurt worse than than the regular back pain, took my pain level down from a 9 to an 8 and was not covered by insurance because it was considered "exploratory" or something. It was bullshit.

I'm undergoing depression treatment and it's a similar thing. The meds the prescribe do fuck all and actually make me noticeably worse. My psychiatrist has mentioned some sort of magnetic brain stimulation thing. "TMS"

HEre it is:

https://neurostar.com/

But my insurance won't cover it at all (and I have good insurance right now) unless I first try FIVE anti depressant medications first, which not only take 30-60 days before it can be determined what effect they're having but also often, as I said, make my depression and my behavior even worse and often have horrible side effects (eretcile dysfunction, mania, lack of impulse control, apathy, forgetfulness, drowsiness). So that means I have to experiment for 10 months with DRUGS that fuck up my life worse than the depression ever did in order to try an scientific NON DRUG approach.

I am also required to visit my doctor every 30 days (same with the pain meds) which conflicts with my family, my job and my schedule and often makes the stress that contributes to these ills even worse, so my issues intesnify.

The sorry fucking state of medicine in this country infuriates me and somehing's going to have to be done about it.

1000% agree! i have ranted my displeasure with the medical iundustry here before; it boils down to money again. america is fucked over by greed. we've lost sight of what means what. medical treatment is alll about follow the dollar and Big Pharma is calling the shots literally. imo our medical system is well and truly broken.

the scrutiny the doctors are receiving isnt good..A lot of dr and paina nd saddicaiton speciliasts are syaing is someone calls and says "grave danger of life and death " importance, the only proper repsonse at that time is 911.. its not to send your non MD son on a red eye with medicaiton

mailaccount63 said:

RogerRoger said:

Suzee said:

There is a lot of speculation because some things just don't add up. For me starting with why was he left alone to die in an elevator? If his representatives reached out to a doctor in CA because of a grave medical condition, then why would they leave him alone? I can't imagine the burden of guilt his representatives, inner circle, paid staff etc must be feeling now. It's sad that a man like him who had everything had an "inner circle" instead of a family.

I wouldn't find it hard to believe if Prince said (ordered) to them: "leave me. I'm fine".

As I understand, he often had the house emptied for people at night time

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if a doctor considered him to be in danger than can court order you for amandaorty 48 to 72 hour hold

Sepculating, but I imagine the investigators are trying to be as meticulous and detailed in the investigation to ensure accuracy and maintain privacy to Prince and his family. That is my opinion.

nelcp777 said:

lwr001 said:

RiotPaisley said:

lwr001 said:

if a doctor considered him to be in danger than can court order you for amandaorty 48 to 72 hour hold

I hate to sound conspiratory about all this. I am trying really hard, buuuuuut, something about the time line of the dr. Stuff is not sitting well with me AT ALL. How do we know Prince wasn't ALREADY a client of that dr. for pain management and they found out Prince went down way before they called it in, buying time to cover their asses? When my sister went down, instead of calling 911 right away the people she was with were in the process of setting it up to look like she tried to kill herself. They got caught carrying her down the back staircase where they were going to shove her in a car littered with empty pill bottles. A maintenance man saw them and he called 911. When the cops got there they had "no idea" what was wrong with her so they didn't even administer narcan. She died at the hospital. But this is how people involved with those types of drugs think and society in general- everyone is about themselves. They do not want to get in trouble. I really am not believing this dr and think there is WAY more to the story than they are letting on. Again I don't mean to sound whatever- but something does not compute. Maybe I am wrong, I hope I am but I really hope the DEA and whoever don't let this doc off too easy and really do a detailed investigation into his practice. Him being a "discrete" practitioner makes me assume he already had things in place to make it hard to find out who he was treating and how.

ugh, thanks for the story, I'm already disgusted with homosapiens and that helps. My ma fell down trying to get into a hospital, right there, (my retard brother was suppossed to be with her) hit her head. the hospital made her wait, bloody head, concussion and all and she died later that day. Sometimes I look up at the sky and hope a flying saucer would scoop me up.

oh and i forgot to mention that the hospital lied and said she fell down across the street so that we wouldn't try to sue and say it was on their property. sickening. Prince left for a better place.

RiotPaisley said:

Rebeljuice said:

nelcp777 said:

Sepculating, but I imagine the investigators are trying to be as meticulous and detailed in the investigation to ensure accuracy and maintain privacy to Prince and his family. That is my opinion.

The problem with that is they are allowing the rumours to run riot. Unless a lot of the rumours are true, if they want to ensure Prince's dignity they should tell the world what they currently know at this point. Or at least tell us what rumours are nonsense.

agreed

RJOrion said:

we're all grasping and speculating because we're *desperate* for something to make sense.

i know until i know what happened i'm in a perpetual state of bereft.

some things are more clear and rt now i'm gaining comfort in the fact that prince knew he'd be seeing the dr in the am. doesnt make any of it easier but - he was seeking care, and that for soem reason ake me feel a bit better.

still tho, damn.

PeteSilas said:

PeteSilas said:

Sorry if this has been asked already but who was the person to drop Prince off at 8 pm the night before his body was discovered? Any details where he was? Was he returning from Walgreens?

Also, I was always under the impression Paisley Park was under heavy video and mic surveillance. Isn’t it possible that law enforcement has access to such evidence?

lwr001 said:

2funkE said:

mailaccount63 said:

iStuff

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This could have been avoided if he had of just had a darn hip replacement.

Not necessarily. Surgeries like that and with the back are very hit and miss. Very tricky. A lot of people have them and still have the same pain.

Edit: redacted. Already answered/explained.

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nursev said:

psychodelicide said:

Dang!

Psych are u ok

Nurse!! I'm doing okay, just in shock, as we all are. How have you been doing with this unexpected, sad news? I still can't believe it.

psychodelicide said:

nursev said:

Psych are u ok

Nurse!! I'm doing okay, just in shock, as we all are. How have you been doing with this unexpected, sad news? I still can't believe it.

I think were both taking it one day at a time

cardinal said:

"do i have a friend tonight?" --prince at his last concert in atlanta

Prince said that at his last concert? Awww, that makes me sad. I hope Prince knew how much his fans loved and appreciated him, and how devastated and sad we all are by his untimely death. I cried for a week after learning that Prince was no longer with us. It's so hard to wrap my mind around the fact that he really is gone.

nursev said:

psychodelicide said:

Nurse!! I'm doing okay, just in shock, as we all are. How have you been doing with this unexpected, sad news? I still can't believe it.

I think were both taking it one day at a time

Yes, at this point, it's all we can do.

psychodelicide said: