Poor Prince. My heart just breaks for him. I am sure if he was addicted, he didn't want to be. It must have caused an internal struggle because he seemed so anti-drug. But being in pain is awful, and it almost seems like he was OCD about music. He absolutely had to always be creating, and if it took pills to manage the pain to do it, then so be it (my interpretation of possibly how his mind worked).

Regarding anemia, he must have felt like hell. I have been mildly anemic before and I was exhausted. I cannot imagine if I barely ate and also took percocet on top of it. Geez. I am guessing his vegetarian habits/lack of eating along with acetiminophen led to the anemia issues.

I just wish someone could have picked him up and taken care of him. Simple, I know, but he desperately needed care, no matter how much he pushed it away. He probably didn't even know how to be cared for given his childhood and other broken relationships he had as an adult.

RIP Prince. I hope you are singing your heart out and pain-free now.

JellyJam said:

herb4 said:

Co-sign. I have a bulging disc and arthritis in my back and hip. When it "flares", I can barely walk. I janked it particularly bad one time and couldn't sleep for close o two months. I could only sleep on one side of my body and whenever I moved, I'd wake up. It was agony. I had to use a walker. Went to the ER even.

Most doctors I went to accused me of faking and drug seeking. They're so gun shy about prescribing these things thanks to DEA crack downs and rescheduling. What happens is that people who need them are demonized as junkies and the people who got overprescribed and hooked on them have turned to heroin as a cheaper and easier way to avoid withdrawal.

Chalk up another victory for the "war on drugs" and our stupid health system.

Now that a high profile celebrity has succumbed to them, expect even tougher legislation and opportunistic politicians sponsoring "The Prince Act" which will only make the problem worse. The heroin epedemic in this country is a direct result of overprescribing these meds and the subsequent overreaction and crackdown by the DEA.

Very well put. This could potentially have been an opportunity to look at the wider issues of under-prescribing much needed drugs for sufferers of chronic pain, and ongoing care for such sufferers; it could be an opportunity to revisit the broader approach to dealing with drug issues (not only "addiction" which has turned into a meaningless self-serving moral crusade, rather than a concerted effort to understand the nature of addiction, but also "dependence" which is entirely different but usually lumped together with addiction by lazy journalists and the imbecilic "moral majority"); but sadly it'll be used by politicians of all allegiances to further prop up a failing/failed system.

Everything you say about the US is equally relevant here in the UK. The blind leading the blind.

Agreed.

purplethunder3121 said:

If it is true that Prince was forced to go on pain meds because of unbearable pain and succumbed to them in the end, I just hope the swine press and public remember that he spent most of his life health conscious and substance-free. And how this is a reminder of how vulnerable everyone is in this life...no matter who you are. "There but for the grace of God go I."

Agreed.

iamafan said:

Has anyone read that Prince's red blood count was dangerously low. It was on the GMA scroll this morning. I don't know what that means....but when my grandpa's red blood cell count was low and he slept for 3 days, he had to go back to the hospital and got 3 or 4 units of blood. It took him several days to recover{Fri-Mon.}. He got his appetite back and decided he wanted to go home. He come home that Wednesday and died at 3:19 am Thursday morning. I'm no doctor but I

Eileen said:

artist76 said:

"he had a dangerously low red blood cell count, meaning he was sick" -- ??

Anemia, we don't know why right now. Could be iron deficiency due to diet, could be something more serious.

He was a vegetarian and a primary source of iron is red meat, which he did not eat. There are other sources also, but since he had been sick he probably was not eating like he should.

tish9311 said:

headtripparade said:

headtripparade said:

tish9311 said:

Has anyone read that Prince's red blood count was dangerously low. It was on the GMA scroll this morning. I don't know what that means....but when my grandpa's red blood cell count was low and he slept for 3 days, he had to go back to the hospital and got 3 or 4 units of blood. It took him several days to recover{Fri-Mon.}. He got his appetite back and decided he wanted to go home. He come home that Wednesday and died at 3:19 am Thursday morning. I'm no doctor but I

In and of itself it could mean a ton of things. Really too many things to even speculate on. We shouldn't even touch the RBC count until the report is complete and a fuller picture can be painted as to why the RBC was low.

I know but I missed the earlier post about the RBC and wanted to know if any one else had heard that. Sometimes its had to determine what is really news and what most of the org already knew. It's like some news agency leaked the DEA involvement and there was an immediate outcry of bad doctors giving out more percocet. The inital reason was the son, with no medical license transported drugs over state line. This is getting very interesting. I am really just checking to make sure that everything I hear, someone else has head(our several). Sunday somebody told me they had a will and I came and there was nothing.

paulludvig said:

headtripparade said:

In and of itself it could mean a ton of things. Really too many things to even speculate on. We shouldn't even touch the RBC count until the report is complete and a fuller picture can be painted as to why the RBC was low.

It's does suggest an underlying medical issue though. But of course it can mean all kinds of things. [Edited 5/5/16 8:17am]

My thought as well, I am really trying to hold my speculation for the autopsy but everyday its something new. I can't wait for all the love children to get DNA tested.

[Edited 5/5/16 8:20am]

cardinal said:

iamafan said:

Poor Prince. My heart just breaks for him. I am sure if he was addicted, he didn't want to be. It must have caused an internal struggle because he seemed so anti-drug. But being in pain is awful, and it almost seems like he was OCD about music. He absolutely had to always be creating, and if it took pills to manage the pain to do it, then so be it (my interpretation of possibly how his mind worked).

Regarding anemia, he must have felt like hell. I have been mildly anemic before and I was exhausted. I cannot imagine if I barely ate and also took percocet on top of it. Geez. I am guessing his vegetarian habits/lack of eating along with acetiminophen led to the anemia issues.

I just wish someone could have picked him up and taken care of him. Simple, I know, but he desperately needed care, no matter how much he pushed it away. He probably didn't even know how to be cared for given his childhood and other broken relationships he had as an adult.

RIP Prince. I hope you are singing your heart out and pain-free now.

i have a feeling that there is much more we don't know regarding his medical issues and sadly,the amount of pain he was in. there are many healthy vegetarians out there, and it sounds like his lack of intake was much more troubling than what he ate or drank which does not sound like much. his chef sounded like he was quite knowlegable and was working with him to keep him healthy. but if someone doesn't eat or drink, it doesn't much matter what their diet would be. i sense underlying medical issues and/or extreme pain. as to him not even knowing what it was like to be cared for, i think you nailed it. he was abandonded so many times in life that he probably never experienced the kind of unconditional love that would have said "i don't care if you hate me for the rest of your life but i am not going to let you die." the heartbreaks keep coming. i hope he knows how much he was loved by those who may have never even met him.

then apples and shelby tweeted we heading to MPLS to bring him soup and take care of him after the plane incidient; wonder what happened..further, no one was there to tell him a dance party wasnt the right thing to do

If anyone is interested (for example is also in CHRONIC PAIN), you can learn more about the clinic that Dr. Howard Kornfeld runs at: recoverywithoutwalls.com

Milty2 said:

Laydown said:

Still cant deal

Still can't deal.

You are not alone.

lwr001 said:

vegans and vegetarians are at risk of anemia *anyway* and have to be very focused in order to make sure their diet creates complete proteins that can be absorbed properly. consider that along with the side effects of the pain killers which can also result in a host of other things...i'm not sure there was an underlying illness but it appears as though the reliance on painkillers slowly set up the conditions for declining health. kindey failure, liver failure - ones organs can only do so much.

he almost quite literally squeezed himself out like a sponge till there was nothing left.

terrig said:

he almost quite literally squeezed himself out like a sponge till there was nothing left.

Agreed.

For some reason, I can't post a link, but the New York Times has some hard reporting in its cover story today. It's a must-read.

I hope the autopsy results come back soon, or if they're already done, just say what he died of already, because I'm sick of this whole mess! I'm sick of the speculating, inuendos, and guessing of what he may have died from.........just tell us already, damn!

namepeace said:

For some reason, I can't post a link, but the New York Times has some hard reporting in its cover story today. It's a must-read.

Is that were they say there's a recent picture of Prince at a Kingdoms Hall meeting with his hair slicked back? If so, I think they are referring to an old picture that was reposted recently in a newspaper or magazine which suggest that the article is mostly copy paste.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/arts/music/friends-sought-help-for-princes-addiction-lawyer-says.html?_r=0

[Edited 5/5/16 9:35am]

1contessa said:

I hope the autopsy results come back soon, or if they're already done, just say what he died of already, because I'm sick of this whole mess! I'm sick of the speculating, inuendos, and guessing of what he may have died from.........just tell us already, damn!

Star Tribune:

Source: Percocet was found in Prince's system

http://www.startribune.com/federal-agents-to-join-prince-death-investigation/378168981/#1

namepeace said:

For some reason, I can't post a link, but the New York Times has some hard reporting in its cover story today. It's a must-read.

hence it's already posted above

OldFriends4Sale said:

nelcp777 said:

1contessa said:

I hope the autopsy results come back soon, or if they're already done, just say what he died of already, because I'm sick of this whole mess! I'm sick of the speculating, inuendos, and guessing of what he may have died from.........just tell us already, damn!

Star Tribune:

Source: Percocet was found in Prince's system

http://www.startribune.com/federal-agents-to-join-prince-death-investigation/378168981/#1

It still doesn't state that this is the direct cause of his death, just that it was found in his system, but that they didn't know if it was the cause of death, so that's hardly anything new since that have been stated from day one about the Percocet from so many sources.

[Edited 5/5/16 10:02am]

1contessa said:

nelcp777 said:

Star Tribune:

Source: Percocet was found in Prince's system

http://www.startribune.com/federal-agents-to-join-prince-death-investigation/378168981/#1

It still doesn't state that this is the direct cause of his death, just that it was found in his system, but that they didn't know if it was the cause of death, so that's hardly anything new since that have been stated from day one about the Percocet from so many sources.

[Edited 5/5/16 10:02am]

I agree. I was not implying this was the cause. Just making it easy for those who wanted to read the article. No harm intended.

mailaccount63 said:

Milty2 said:

Still can't deal.

You are not alone.

My feelings exactly - can't even, just can't even.

i think I will just wait for the real reports. All these news articles and website, podcasts, all going off "people close to", an "insider", a paid hired gun, attorney, Dr., whoever...is all subject to to what the writer interprets. I think these articles, some of them uncover a glimpse of what MIGHT have occurred, but lets not cloud the sky just yet. An overdose for a vegan, underweight, over stressed, anemic individual, could be 3-4 pills. And thats a dose that could have been perscribed over time... depending on the condition... we just don't know. All this garbage floating around, is just speculation. Lets wait and see. You know, many writers "owe" people favors, and print stuff (GASP) to turn a tide for sales in particular markets...or lead other "customers" in a specific direction. Its so hard to try to make sense when all of this is going on hear say.


iamafan said:

Poor Prince. My heart just breaks for him. I am sure if he was addicted, he didn't want to be. It must have caused an internal struggle because he seemed so anti-drug. But being in pain is awful, and it almost seems like he was OCD about music. He absolutely had to always be creating, and if it took pills to manage the pain to do it, then so be it (my interpretation of possibly how his mind worked).

Regarding anemia, he must have felt like hell. I have been mildly anemic before and I was exhausted. I cannot imagine if I barely ate and also took percocet on top of it. Geez. I am guessing his vegetarian habits/lack of eating along with acetiminophen led to the anemia issues.

I just wish someone could have picked him up and taken care of him. Simple, I know, but he desperately needed care, no matter how much he pushed it away. He probably didn't even know how to be cared for given his childhood and other broken relationships he had as an adult.

RIP Prince. I hope you are singing your heart out and pain-free now.

I don't think anyone who has an addiction problem wants to be an addict. What keeps me moving back and forth between frustration and sadness is that there are many people with addiction problems who lack the means to get help. Yet Prince had the financial means but somehow seemed to lack the wherewithall until it was too late.

[Edited 5/5/16 11:29am]

nelcp777 said:

1contessa said:

It still doesn't state that this is the direct cause of his death, just that it was found in his system, but that they didn't know if it was the cause of death, so that's hardly anything new since that have been stated from day one about the Percocet from so many sources.

[Edited 5/5/16 10:02am]

I agree. I was not implying this was the cause. Just making it easy for those who wanted to read the article. No harm intended.

No harm done at all.

larakay said: