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There's was a thread for it around these parts. Watch it. I had to watch it twice to make sure what I was listening to. | |
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I reminded of Prince's Pearls Before the Swine....it fits now In 13 days he's been called some things I'd never thought I'd hear about him | |
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If it is true that Prince was forced to go on pain meds because of unbearable pain and succumbed to them in the end, I just hope the swine press and public remember that he spent most of his life health conscious and substance-free. And how this is a reminder of how vulnerable everyone is in this life...no matter who you are. "There but for the grace of God go I." "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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tiggerlane said: sonshine said: I would like to know too I'm recording it so I can digest. He is saying now that his abandonment in early years may have led to the use of these opioids. Stressing use and not addiction. They are talking about possibility of someone giving him a sleeping pill that could have interacted. Mostly speculation. I agree with Dr drew. I dont think its crazy to assume the trauma he suffered as a child made him turn to the drugs initially as an easy fix. It's a very common scenario. But in the end it's the furthest thing from easy once you get in the habit of using. None of this makes prince a bad person either. It is what it is. And no one should take the fall for what happened. Not the guy who called 911 or the guy who took him to Walgreens etc. The only thing that makes this incredibly hard to accept it that no one saw fit to stay with him. I'm not saying they needed to say no to him about getting his pills or taking his pills. That would be dangerous in itself. But someone should have been close by to lend aid or call 911should he happen to OD again before real help arrived for him the next day. If not someone on the payroll then a friend. Surely he had one true friend that wouldn't take no for an answer. Someone who felt safe enough telling him they loved him too much to leave him alone to die in an elevator his body lying there possibly for hours I'm afraid. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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sometimes the pain should just be endured I think. I had a horrible headache last night, but I didn't take anything with all this stuff on my mind. I've had some horrendous migraines, I'm thinking I'll just endure them from here on out. Yes it makes work difficult but I've done it. I wouldn't judge anyone else's pain only to say that I know it can humble anyone. Perspective dictates while compassion rules. I've had very headaches in my life and could never understand why people bitched about them. Then I had one. Wow! Some pain is so uncomfortable you cannot sleep, you cannot move, you cannot eat...I used to vomit from the pain I was in and also scream. They wanted to say I was imagining it but then they discovered the lump/issue which is now out. But it took time to wean off the pain meds and it was while weaning off that I OD'd..it's not easy. | |
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sonshine said: tiggerlane said: I'm recording it so I can digest. He is saying now that his abandonment in early years may have led to the use of these opioids. Stressing use and not addiction. They are talking about possibility of someone giving him a sleeping pill that could have interacted. Mostly speculation. I agree with Dr drew. I dont think its crazy to assume the trauma he suffered as a child made him turn to the drugs initially as an easy fix. It's a very common scenario. But in the end it's the furthest thing from easy once you get in the habit of using. None of this makes prince a bad person either. It is what it is. And no one should take the fall for what happened. Not the guy who called 911 or the guy who took him to Walgreens etc. The only thing that makes this incredibly hard to accept it that no one saw fit to stay with him. I'm not saying they needed to say no to him about getting his pills or taking his pills. That would be dangerous in itself. But someone should have been close by to lend aid or call 911should he happen to OD again before real help arrived for him the next day. If not someone on the payroll then a friend. Surely he had one true friend that wouldn't take no for an answer. Someone who felt safe enough telling him they loved him too much to leave him alone to die in an elevator his body lying there possibly for hours I'm afraid. BUT he didn't turn to drugs...he was prescribed pain meds for symptoms he had!! | |
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Agreed. Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end | |
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EVERYBODY who helped Prince acquire illegal prescriptions and drugs should be charged. STUPIDITY and 'just following the Boss's orders' are poor excuses. | |
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funksterr said: EVERYBODY who helped Prince acquire illegal prescriptions and drugs should be charged. STUPIDITY and 'just following the Boss's orders' are poor excuses. I somewhat agree.I am sick and tired of these "enablers/yes men" not doing anything to prevent tragedies like this from happening.It was a similiar situation with Michael Jackson.It pisses me off.These people need to be held accountable for the role they played in this tragedy. | |
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SoulAlive said: funksterr said: EVERYBODY who helped Prince acquire illegal prescriptions and drugs should be charged. STUPIDITY and 'just following the Boss's orders' are poor excuses. I somewhat agree.I am sick and tired of these "enablers/yes men" not doing anything to prevent tragedies like this from happening.It was a similiar situation with Michael Jackson.It pisses me off.These people need to be held accountable for the role they played in this tragedy. Okay, let's assume these "yes men" do stand up to someone like Prince. What makes you think for one second that he wouldn't fire them on the spot? So he fires his whole team because they tried to control him and tell him what to do and tell him what he doesn't want to hear and he ends up alone anyway. And they couldn't hang around because at that point they'd be fired and therefore trespassing on his property and he could call the police should he so choose. This grand intervention of his entire team taking his health into consideration and doing the right thing just doesn't exist. You cannot rule an individual by compulsion, Prince or not. [Edited 5/4/16 18:30pm] | |
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I still just say, that one night, what could he have done to anybody? What? This is Prince we're talking about. Get a shotgun? pfft What? Yell at somebody? Oh big deal Call the police? yeah right | |
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SoulAlive said: funksterr said: EVERYBODY who helped Prince acquire illegal prescriptions and drugs should be charged. STUPIDITY and 'just following the Boss's orders' are poor excuses. I somewhat agree.I am sick and tired of these "enablers/yes men" not doing anything to prevent tragedies like this from happening.It was a similiar situation with Michael Jackson.It pisses me off.These people need to be held accountable for the role they played in this tragedy. Local Mpls. TV (WCCO) said charges could be 3rd degree murder. | |
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I don't care about their jobs and careers or whatever. The scenario you descibe is exactly why there should be charges. You have allegations of people doing things waaaay outside the law, and outside the boundaries of good sense, just to keep their hook-up with the global superstar. Screw 'em. | |
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Eileen said:
Exactly. There is not one thing these people could have done to make it better. Prince, as much as I adore him, took these pills. He chose that path. Enablers as they may be, his actions are not their fault and certainly not in their control. They called the doctor in California. They told Prince they did that. What more could they do aside from chaining the man down and staring at him all night to make sure he didn't OD before wandering into an elevator? I've lost two of my best friends to addiction, one of which I essentially kidnapped and drove to rehab myself twice. It didn't work because she didn't want to be helped. All it did was drive her away from me and when she needed me most I didn't even have the option of being around because she no longer trusted me. Saying that charges should be brought against the people around him because they failed to stop him from overdosing is ridiculous. Unless they wrote the prescription for him, I want no part of it. | |
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funksterr said:
I don't care about their jobs and careers or whatever. The scenario you descibe is exactly why there should be charges. You have allegations of people doing things waaaay outside the law, and outside the boundaries of good sense, just to keep their hook-up with the global superstar. Screw 'em. Driving someone to a location because you are being paid to drive them is not waaaaay outside the law. If he had called an Uber would we be crying for charges against the Uber driver? And what if they aren't just in it for the "hook-up"? What if they actually have families at home and can't afford to lose their jobs? This isn't just a group of friends. Sometimes I think that gets lost in translation. These were employees and he paid their bills and kept a roof over their heads. | |
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headtripparade said: SoulAlive said: I somewhat agree.I am sick and tired of these "enablers/yes men" not doing anything to prevent tragedies like this from happening.It was a similiar situation with Michael Jackson.It pisses me off.These people need to be held accountable for the role they played in this tragedy. Okay, let's assume these "yes men" do stand up to someone like Prince. What makes you think for one second that he wouldn't fire them on the spot? So he fires his whole team because they tried to control him and tell him what to do and tell him what he doesn't want to hear and he ends up alone anyway. And they couldn't hang around because at that point they'd be fired and therefore trespassing on his property and he could call the police should he so choose. This grand intervention of his entire team taking his health into consideration and doing the right thing just doesn't exist. You cannot rule an individual by compulsion, Prince or not. I completely understand what you're saying.We all know that Prince was extremely stubborn,controlling and likely would have fired these guys if they had intervened.I just think that,after the near-fatal event that happened just a few days earlier,they should have said "screw it...let's team up together and do something to help Prince whether he likes it or not".An aggressive intervention might have saved Prince's life. | |
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funksterr said: EVERYBODY who helped Prince acquire illegal prescriptions and drugs should be charged. STUPIDITY and 'just following the Boss's orders' are poor excuses. I actually think that the two "others" who first found him and didn't provide CPR but went into hysterics instead should be charged. That's what's been bothering me...they said he was found unconscious at first but then since it took 19 minutes for EMTs to get there he died. And the 911 call handler..where are you? Everyone knows where PO is and she could have just googled it to as well as still send out a responder. And no, police could hVe been there within 5 min. Chan ain't that big. | |
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spastic78 said: funksterr said: EVERYBODY who helped Prince acquire illegal prescriptions and drugs should be charged. STUPIDITY and 'just following the Boss's orders' are poor excuses. I actually think that the two "others" who first found him and didn't provide CPR but went into hysterics instead should be charged. That's what's been bothering me...they said he was found unconscious at first but then since it took 19 minutes for EMTs to get there he died. And the 911 call handler..where are you? Everyone knows where PO is and she could have just googled it to as well as still send out a responder. And no, police could hVe been there within 5 min. Chan ain't that big. I thought the 911 call went in at 9:43 and paramedics arrived around 9:48? It took 19 minutes for them to pronounce him dead. I'm also of the personal belief that he was very well gone by the time they found him. Of course we won't know for sure until an estimated time of death is released from the ME, but everything so far has me thinking he'd been in there a while. | |
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There is no legal duty for a civilian, even if an employee, to provide CPR or provide medical care. No Candy 4 Me | |
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headtripparade said: spastic78 said: I actually think that the two "others" who first found him and didn't provide CPR but went into hysterics instead should be charged. That's what's been bothering me...they said he was found unconscious at first but then since it took 19 minutes for EMTs to get there he died. And the 911 call handler..where are you? Everyone knows where PO is and she could have just googled it to as well as still send out a responder. And no, police could hVe been there within 5 min. Chan ain't that big. I thought the 911 call went in at 9:43 and paramedics arrived around 9:48? It took 19 minutes for them to pronounce him dead. I'm also of the personal belief that he was very well gone by the time they found him. Of course we won't know for sure until an estimated time of death is released from the ME, but everything so far has me thinking he'd been in there a while. Prince was found unresponsive at 9:43 a.m. on Thursday and pronounced dead at 10:07 a.m. when emergency crews were unable to revive him. The defense lawyer for Andrew K. who had made the 911 call said that Prince was found unconscious. He states that repeatedly in his PR release this afternoon. He made it clear that the two others found Prince first and started screaming hysterically which was how Andrew K. was able to locate Prince who was unconscious. And the other two did not call 911 immediately so Andrew did but none of them administered CPR. | |
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spastic78 said: headtripparade said: I thought the 911 call went in at 9:43 and paramedics arrived around 9:48? It took 19 minutes for them to pronounce him dead. I'm also of the personal belief that he was very well gone by the time they found him. Of course we won't know for sure until an estimated time of death is released from the ME, but everything so far has me thinking he'd been in there a while. Prince was found unresponsive at 9:43 a.m. on Thursday and pronounced dead at 10:07 a.m. when emergency crews were unable to revive him. The defense lawyer for Andrew K. who had made the 911 call said that Prince was found unconscious. He states that repeatedly in his PR release this afternoon. He made it clear that the two others found Prince first and started screaming hysterically which was how Andrew K. was able to locate Prince who was unconscious. And the other two did not call 911 immediately so Andrew did but none of them administered CPR. Per the official incident report from the sheriff, responders were dispatched at 9:43 and the ambulance arrived at 9:48. It only took them 5 minutes to respond, not 19. | |
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headtripparade said: spastic78 said: Prince was found unresponsive at 9:43 a.m. on Thursday and pronounced dead at 10:07 a.m. when emergency crews were unable to revive him. The defense lawyer for Andrew K. who had made the 911 call said that Prince was found unconscious. He states that repeatedly in his PR release this afternoon. He made it clear that the two others found Prince first and started screaming hysterically which was how Andrew K. was able to locate Prince who was unconscious. And the other two did not call 911 immediately so Andrew did but none of them administered CPR. Per the official incident report from the sheriff, responders were dispatched at 9:43 and the ambulance arrived at 9:48. It only took them 5 minutes to respond, not 19. I'm looking at the official transcript from Carver County Prince Investigation . Times were not released other than death. And to me it's clear that there is no EMT personnel there administering CPR or anything until right before 10:07. The sheriffs report doesn't state a time of arrival either but did administer CPR. Something is not right though. Change is tiny. Police are everywhere especially in that area. Why didn't the two others provide CPR? Why didn't they know the address? [Edited 5/4/16 20:01pm] | |
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spastic78 said: headtripparade said: Per the official incident report from the sheriff, responders were dispatched at 9:43 and the ambulance arrived at 9:48. It only took them 5 minutes to respond, not 19. I'm looking at the official transcript from Carver County Prince Investigation . Times were not released other than death. And to me it's clear that there is no EMT personnel there administering CPR or anything until right before 10:07. The sheriffs report doesn't state a time of arrival either but did administer CPR. Something is not right though. Change is tiny. Police are everywhere especially in that area. Why didn't the two others provide CPR? Why didn't they know the address? [Edited 5/4/16 20:01pm] http://www.co.carver.mn.u...nt?id=7349 This report explicitly states that the ambulance arrived at 9:48, some 5 minutes after the 9:43 call. We are to assume they were with him for 19 minutes before declaring death. And frankly, not trying to be gruesome, but if he is visibly dead there is nothing they can do. The address wasn't known because the California doctor's son made the call and he had never been to Paisley Park before in his life. He thought they were in Minneapolis proper, for goodness sake. | |
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Dang! RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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The "two others" were screaming and distraught and in no position to be providing CPR to the obviously dead body of the employer/friend they had unwittingly stumbled across.
I know somewhere it was noted that the attorney kept saying "unconscious," however he also slipped once and said "dead" and in the 911 call his client also did say that Prince was dead, in addition to unconscious. | |
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headtripparade said: SoulAlive said: I somewhat agree.I am sick and tired of these "enablers/yes men" not doing anything to prevent tragedies like this from happening.It was a similiar situation with Michael Jackson.It pisses me off.These people need to be held accountable for the role they played in this tragedy. Okay, let's assume these "yes men" do stand up to someone like Prince. What makes you think for one second that he wouldn't fire them on the spot? So he fires his whole team because they tried to control him and tell him what to do and tell him what he doesn't want to hear and he ends up alone anyway. And they couldn't hang around because at that point they'd be fired and therefore trespassing on his property and he could call the police should he so choose. This grand intervention of his entire team taking his health into consideration and doing the right thing just doesn't exist. You cannot rule an individual by compulsion, Prince or not. [Edited 5/4/16 18:30pm] You can't fire me. You're under the influence. Call the cops I dare you. They would love to hear me say I refuse to enable you. No matter the ©️, Paisley Park "official can never ™️ . He gave that to us verbally on Oprah in 1996. You can't take away from us, corporate. I mean O ( + > | |
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ya i saw that too, who knows if it's real or not. | |
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