headtripparade said:

Sadly, I'm of the opinion that he was in that elevator for a while. It kills me to think of it but what little bit of information we've been given points there for me. I doubt the team leaving to go get the guy from the airport and drive him to a hotel is why Prince was alone. Where were they for the other hours of the night? I think Prince was boss, wanted to be alone, and the team had no recourse to call him out because he'd likely fire them and end up alone anyway. Therefore they left him alone for the night at his own insistence, no matter how tragic the consequences ended up being. Short of 2 or 3 bodyguards with a 6'3" frame physically holding him down in a chair I can't imagine any scenario where he could be forced to be around people if he didn't want to be.

Like 13 hours

nursev said:

morningsong said:

True.

But I think we're passed whether or not it was an actual overdose. Most, if not all, are wondering why at this vulnerable stage he was alone. IF, any of this is true, then he wasn't being resistant to help. So I can say I'm perplexed. Someone has a death scare less than a week ago, they're willing to admit they are in over they're head, you take them to the pharmacy to get, whatever, and you leave them in a big azzed building by themselves. Nope, not in the trying to be nice or understanding mode.

I hope to God we never find out who drove him there...

I am curious about the driver of the Escalade. I think he was at the memorial service. He stood out as he had on tennis shoes. I do not know if it is the same guy, but the vehicle in the WalGreen photo and the video of the parking lot of the dude getting into the Escalade seemed the same.

My opinion and speculation.

nelcp777 said:

nursev said:

I hope to God we never find out who drove him there...

I am curious about the driver of the Escalade. I think he was at the memorial service. He stood out as he had on tennis shoes. I do not know if it is the same guy, but the vehicle in the WalGreen photo and the video of the parking lot of the dude getting into the Escalade seemed the same.

My opinion and speculation.

who do u think it was?

nursev said:

terrig said:

at least we know and can start to movve through the grief. I love him anyway but I needed something to start to add up somewhere.

Tragic, but there is so much in his life to celebrate. I'd wish differently for him as we all would. But this isnt his defining moment, we know now he was responsibly attempting to take care of himself. That shows willingness and I'm glad he tried....

Kinda makes you wonder how he felt when MJ and Whitney died....he said he was close to it...and he was I hope he is at peace now...no more pain

he said he was "too close to the situation" a very cryptic remark that may have meant he respected these artists and didn't want to comment or... Typical Prince.

JenniferJoy said:

The plane incident after the ATL show was Prince's wake up call. It was truly a gift that he was able to be resuscitated and given a second chance. The fact that this Dr in CA didn't get the call from Prince's camp until the Wednesday night, six days after the OD, tells me that either Prince or his team did not truly recognize the urgency of the situation. If Prince did not wish to stay hospitalized or have staff available 24/7 during this critical period (cuz' we all know if he had wanted it *clap clap* it would’ve been done), who is ultimately responsible?

Yes, exactly. And it's incredibly cruel to attack his traumatized, grief-stricken staff/companions at the same time we go on and on here about how Prince is so unique because he does everything his own exacting and demanding way, focused on freedom for himself to do what he wants at all costs. Other articles re: lack of a will quote another former attorney Howard King on how Prince "rarely listened to advisors." This wasn't something that just developed overnight.

nursev said:

nelcp777 said:

I am curious about the driver of the Escalade. I think he was at the memorial service. He stood out as he had on tennis shoes. I do not know if it is the same guy, but the vehicle in the WalGreen photo and the video of the parking lot of the dude getting into the Escalade seemed the same.

My opinion and speculation.

who do u think it was?

I do not know. I just remember when I saw the news coverage it hit me. I will try to search the web tonight and see if I can find the video and get a screen shot or something.

Thanks for sharing..

Selena4641 said:

I have a feeling that Prince passed due to being an addict. I know this because I was one too. It's called a functioning addict. To make my long story short, I'm a retired Mortician. I'm 5'2, weigh 115 pounds. My work caused me horrible back pain. My Dr. Started me on 4 Percocet 10 mg a day. Well after a few years, I decided I didn't want to take them anymore. I found out real quick what withdrawal was. withdrawal is like the Flu, but every nerve in your body is on fire. You will, puke and shit at the same time, you will be hot one minute and cold the next, your legs are restless. I wouldn't wish withdrawal on my worst enemy. Anyway, I started buying pills because I quit seeing my doctor. No one in my family had no idea I was buying and taking pills. That's why it's called a functioning addict. After 4 years of this, I heard of a medicine called Suboxone. Its a life saver. You take Suboxone until the doctor weens you off slowly. I was on it for 2 years. Everyone thinks that all addicts are like you see on tv, dirty, disheveled, stoned and begging people for money for drugs. Functioning addicts aren't like that. My family were in disbelief when I told them about why I was going to a Suboxone Doctor. I knew that Prince was probably hooked on something when I heard the news about the Narcan shot. I lost several of the people I used to buy pills from due to them overdosing. Prince was probably like me, he didn't take the pills to get fucked up and stoned, he took them for pain, and probably couldn't stand the agony of withdrawal. I bet when he got the Narcan shot, it threw him into withdrawal. He probably stopped his withdrawal by taking the pills again, and sadly overdosed. I don't think Prince was a Junkie, he was in genuine pain like I was, but couldn't stop because of withdrawal. If his death turns out to be due to overdose, please remember it can happen to anyone, and the way he died shouldn't diminish all he accomplished in his life. I don't understand why he didn't find a Suboxone Doctor in His city, or a nearby city. I found one in the phone book and I live in Nashville, Tn. I don't know why he wanted to go into full blown rehab facility. Maybe he didn't realize that he could go to a Suboxone Doctor and just get a script. Anyway, that's my long ass story. Sorry it was so long.

nelcp777 said:

nursev said:

who do u think it was?

I do not know. I just remember when I saw the news coverage it hit me. I will try to search the web tonight and see if I can find the video and get a screen shot or something.

oh ok....whoever they were they shouldve been taking him to an ER not Walgreen's...damn.

nursev said:

morningsong said:

True.

But I think we're passed whether or not it was an actual overdose. Most, if not all, are wondering why at this vulnerable stage he was alone. IF, any of this is true, then he wasn't being resistant to help. So I can say I'm perplexed. Someone has a death scare less than a week ago, they're willing to admit they are in over they're head, you take them to the pharmacy to get, whatever, and you leave them in a big azzed building by themselves. Nope, not in the trying to be nice or understanding mode.

I hope to God we never find out who drove him there...

I hope to God we do.

PeteSilas said:

a lot of it has to do with his always being alone really. He really didn't have much in the way of supportive family, ever. Kicked out on the streets, abandoned. Much like James Brown, it made him supercompetent and incredibly successful and built their characters, they also didn't know how to do things any other way. When you see human beings as unreliable to begin with, you aren't real eager to be at their mercy. I see it as a situation where he was between the devil and the deep blue sea. at least at this point, barring more info.

Andre Cymone in new Billboard interview:

"We had moved into a really nice sort of upper middle-class neighborhood and parents didn’t want their kids hanging around me because I was a little rough around the edges. I think the final straw for his mom was when I pulled up in a brand new Cadillac trying to get Prince to come out and go for a joyride. She forbid Prince to hang out. So every time I’d try to come by and ask can Prince come out and jam, she’d say no. She made him do all kinds of other stuff, anything other than to play with me. I think what happened is eventually he ran away.

He came to our house and asked, "Can I stay here?" I said I’ll have to talk to my mom. I asked her and she was like, "Yeah, but I have to call his mom and let her know that he’s here." So she called his mom to let her know and they worked it out. So his mom said, "He can stay there if he wants to." So a day turned into a week, week turned into a month, month turned into a year and a year turned into about five or six years, something like that."

http://www.billboard.com/...membrancep

morningsong said:

nursev said:

I hope to God we never find out who drove him there...

I hope to God we do.

The org would not be kind to that person at all

nursev said:

morningsong said:

I hope to God we do.

The org would not be kind to that person at all

And that would be cruel and wrong.

whatever happened between him and his ma had to be pretty traumatic, he still would get angry if anyone brought her up years later. she must have had some influence on him, she's the one who made him promise to convert to jw on her deathbed. I think what I heard about P's ma was that she had a really mean boyfriend, who knows what else went on. either way it's abandonment issues bigtime.

Eileen said:

nursev said:

The org would not be kind to that person at all

And that would be cruel and wrong.

true...but u know it would happen like that.

vandeluca said:

Looks like the same car as in the Wal_Greens photo. Source:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html

nelcp777 said:

PeteSilas said:

whatever happened between him and his ma had to be pretty traumatic, he still would get angry if anyone brought her up years later. she must have had some influence on him, she's the one who made him promise to convert to jw on her deathbed. I think what I heard about P's ma was that she had a really mean boyfriend, who knows what else went on. either way it's abandonment issues bigtime.

I dont know....The woman made Prince and she gets my respect for that Im not gone speculate...I did hear that him converting was her dying wish though.

nelcp777 said:

Damn...the flower guy?

Just stood out. I could, and probably am wrong. Just getting thoughts out.

nursev said:

nelcp777 said:

Damn...the flower guy?

nursev said:

PeteSilas said:

whatever happened between him and his ma had to be pretty traumatic, he still would get angry if anyone brought her up years later. she must have had some influence on him, she's the one who made him promise to convert to jw on her deathbed. I think what I heard about P's ma was that she had a really mean boyfriend, who knows what else went on. either way it's abandonment issues bigtime.

I dont know....The woman made Prince and she gets my respect for that Im not gone speculate...I did hear that him converting was her dying wish though.

I had heard the dying wish thing too.

nelcp777 said:

Just stood out. I could, and probably am wrong. Just getting thoughts out.

nursev said:

Damn...the flower guy?

That's Kirk J. I don't think we should blame him. He's been a constant in Prince's life for 30 years.

nursev said:

morningsong said:

I hope to God we do.

The org would not be kind to that person at all

Nope.

paulludvig said:

nelcp777 said:

Just stood out. I could, and probably am wrong. Just getting thoughts out.

That's Kirk J. I don't think we should blame him. He's been a constant in Prince's life for 30 years.

I am not blaming anyone. I am just saying the vehicles match from the photo. I would not falsely accuse any one.

paulludvig said:

nelcp777 said:

Just stood out. I could, and probably am wrong. Just getting thoughts out.

That's Kirk J. I don't think we should blame him. He's been a constant in Prince's life for 30 years.

30 years u say

nursev said:

nelcp777 said:

Damn...the flower guy?

It's a big black Cadillac Escalade, there are tons of them on the road. So, I don't know what we're supposed to do with this.

beatz01 said:

nursev said:

paulludvig said:

That's Kirk J. I don't think we should blame him. He's been a constant in Prince's life for 30 years.

30 years u say

Yup. He's been around since the Purple Rain days. Never left really.