This is tough. I knew if I lived to see Prince's death it was gonna be hard...but this is tough I mean its like the grieving process wont stop. One day Im good, the next day Im crying again and I didnt even know the man personally. I dont know maybe not having closure about this with him being cremated so quickly is the reason. We all die, but to me his death is worse then Michaels, worst than Whitney's I cried for them to, but Prince was like a brother and this is tough

RiotPaisley said:

IstenSzek said:

not sure how this would tarnish prince's reputation. not after all the good things we've been reading
about prince and the enormous outpouring of genuine grief and respect for the man from most of the
media channels.

if anything it might spark up the debate about these painkillers again. it seems like heavy stuff and
something many people unwillingly become addicted to and then find that it's horrible to withdraw
from. from what i've been reading it's a nationwide pandemic.

i've been hearing about these painkillers for years and years over here in europe but i don't think we
have anything that strong or addictive that doctors just prescribe so easily. at least not that i've ever
heard about. all the stories about people getting hooked on painkillers i hear always come from the u.s.

so maybe a good thing that can come out of all this tragedy is that there will be some outrage toward
this system of prescribing such dangerous pills and the failure of helping people get off them easily.

no doubt it's a billion dollar industry and they've managed to just keep going without too much of a

hindrance. but prince's death might put it right back on the front pages and start a change somewhere.

The US makes up 80% of the worlds opioid consumption. When we removed Taliban control of the poppy fields, our problems here increased tenfold. I'm my community here, overdoses have exceeded deaths by car accident. I've lost more people to overdose than anything else. Follow the money. Big pharma and oil control everything.

Jeez, this is really absurd! And what's more absurd, is that Prince was so against anything that could control him and his freedom. If this story, as it seems, turns out to be true, he ended up being one of the many many victims of this f***-up system. Truly sad.

eyewishuheaven said:

terrig said:

the idea of there being an intervention the next morning is the only thing that makes sense in Prince being left alone. early reports said he had an appt with a 'holistic dr'....and maybe thats what they told him, too.

I think you may be right. Those poor PP staffers probably went home that night thinking that everything was gonna be okay in the morning.

while i argued heavily that the flu incident was very plausible - the addiction dr making the 911 call puts all the behavior into perspective of Prince needing an intervention.

if Prince KNEW he was seeing an addiction specialist in the am, no one would have, in good conscience left him alone...and im sure the sepcialist would have advised for him not to be left alone.

if Prince didnt know there was to be an intervention - it explains the behaviour, the party....everything. Because he didnt believe he needed help. Maybe he tried to wean himself off and thats what caused the flu-like sumptoms.

at least now there's a few thing lining up to make some sense. even though its awful

I hope after the autopsy and toxicology reports are released, then all the insiders come clean with exactly what happened....on the plane and over the last few days and over the last few years. It won't diminish Prince's legacy at all, but we just want to know and understand.

while i argued heavily that the flu incident was very plausible - the addiction dr making the 911 call puts all the behavior into perspective of Prince needing an intervention.

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It's still very possible that he had the flu a few weeks ago. That probably made his body a lot weaker and more fragile. :-/

headtripparade said:

From the Recovery Without Walls website bio on Dr. Kornfeld: Dr. Howard Kornfeld is a graduate of Northwestern University School of Medicine and teaches at the University of California, San Francisco School of Medicine’s Pain Medical Fellowship Program. Dr. Kornfeld is a Fellow of the American Society of Addiction Medicine and is board certified in pain, addiction, and emergency medicine. Dr. Kornfeld is currently also the founding medical director at the Alameda County Medical Center, Pain Management and Functional Restoration Clinic, where he practices with the area’s most at-risk patients. He maintains a private medical practice in Mill Valley, California, and founded and directs Recovery Without Walls which specializes in the treatment of chronic pain, chemical dependency, prescription medication management issues, and problems with alcohol. Dr. Kornfeld is a nationally recognized leader in the utilization of the opioid pain medication, buprenorphine (also known as Suboxone or Subutex). He is particularly skilled in the assessment and treatment of opiate and other chemical dependencies, chronic pain and problems with alcohol. He is widely known for his expertise in treating patients with complex benzodiazepine and sleeping pill difficulties (Valium, Xanax, Klonopin, Ambien, Lunesta and others). Dr. Kornfeld admits patients as member of the active staff at Marin General Hospital. So he wasn't just an addiction specialist. He was also a pain management specialist. Of course the media doesn't want to discuss that part.

of course

Where in the hell was Prince's family? I mean Im not trynna throw stones, but they couldnt have been that close to him and not know some shit wasnt right here

FunkiestOne said:

nursev said:

Where in the hell was Prince's family? I mean Im not trynna throw stones, but they couldnt have been that close to him and not know some shit wasnt right here

I havent seen any comment from any of them accept Alfred and God knows he couldnt do anything due to his own circumstances Some shit is not right here.

FunkiestOne said:

while i argued heavily that the flu incident was very plausible - the addiction dr making the 911 call puts all the behavior into perspective of Prince needing an intervention.

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It's still very possible that he had the flu a few weeks ago. That probably made his body a lot weaker and more fragile. :-/

ya I started reading about opiate withdrawal - and it comes with flu-like symptoms...a friend of mine actually passed out from dehydration from the flu and he was risk for walking pnuemonia...that is still entirely plausible....but they flew in an addiction specialist because it was an emergency - they were very very serious abiut helping him, whoever set it up.

i dotn usually listen to 911 calls and that stuff but I did listen to Princes. I was livid that the guy who made the call didnt seem to know where he was, and was unable to give the operator the physical address of PP. Now it makes sense why.

I think if the family just releases all the facts when the toxicology report comes back it will end all the speculation and hopefully highlight the opiate problem in america. i dont think Prince was an 'addict' - in the way we think of addicts and recreational drugs.

but he needed the medication its very hard not to see that now. my heart is breaking for him over and over. i cant stop crying.

If an intervention was planned, then why was he drove to a pharmacy the night before? A lot of the pieces to the mystery are coming together but there are still questions that need answers.

The driver the night before and Prince being alone. If his health was grave someone should have stayed.

I do understand, nothing will change the reality of what has happened. I am just trying to make sense of this like most others.

Had to see if TMZ had the story because they have been pretty accurate thus far. It was posted early this morning and I saw this on the GMA scroll. This will start my grieving all over again. But I must admit I went shopping which ususally makes me very happy and I was sad when I got home. I knew this was coming.

norsknurse said:

Suzanne said:

Why was he alone? How do you leave him alone?

http://www.startribune.co...378051471/

I would have slept on the kitchen floor until the specialist arrived. I was angry before, but now I am livid.

It isn't like he could have picked them up and threw them out.

TheEnglishGent said:

nursev said:

Suboxone is very effective. I have given it to many of my detox patients and in just a few hours you see a great change from major detox symptoms to being in less pain, being able to eat and VS being stable. Im so saddened that this Dr. didnt wipe his schedule clean the previous day to see Prince. One day was the difference in him being alive or not

What's he supposed to do, leave other patients to die?

Uh... yes.

the most distressing thing is how it happened seemingly so quick

BanishedBrian said:

irresistiblebitch666 said:

Why the hell didnt anyone try to help that man sooner? Why the fuck did someone decide to leave a man who was supposedly deathly sick in that big ass mansion by himself? None of this makes a fucking lick of sense. If Prince was in a hospital in moline, he should have stayed there. Fuck not having a private room. Fuck yes men. Prince should have put his big ass ego to the side for one time and put his health first. If someone has to administer a save shot for you, you are not okay. Your health is failing! You are not a spring chicken anymore! Someone in Prince's camp should have stood up to him and made him stay in that hospital. Hell, everyone in Prince's camp should have made him stay in that hospital. Why the fuck didnt Prince's siblings make him stay in the hospital? I swear to god that there is way more going on here than we are being told. There is more bullshit to this.

It's not easy to get help for a resistant person, even when you're a relative. Believe me, I've been there. Keep in mind that Prince kept tight control over PP. Based on some of the police logs, it looks like even keys to the building were tightly controlled by him. I'm sure his staff felt pressure to follow his directions, even if they may have had worries.

I get that he was difficult. I just can't shake that it's not like most people in this situation are rational and cooperative, most that survive this have a battle axe or two in their corner that just won't back down.

terrig said:

FunkiestOne said:

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It's still very possible that he had the flu a few weeks ago. That probably made his body a lot weaker and more fragile. :-/

ya I started reading about opiate withdrawal - and it comes with flu-like symptoms...a friend of mine actually passed out from dehydration from the flu and he was risk for walking pnuemonia...that is still entirely plausible....but they flew in an addiction specialist because it was an emergency - they were very very serious abiut helping him, whoever set it up.

i dotn usually listen to 911 calls and that stuff but I did listen to Princes. I was livid that the guy who made the call didnt seem to know where he was, and was unable to give the operator the physical address of PP. Now it makes sense why.

I think if the family just releases all the facts when the toxicology report comes back it will end all the speculation and hopefully highlight the opiate problem in america. i dont think Prince was an 'addict' - in the way we think of addicts and recreational drugs.

but he needed the medication its very hard not to see that now. my heart is breaking for him over and over. i cant stop crying.

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My thinking is why would he tweet about influenza a week before the ATL shows were postpoined if he didn't really have it? There was nothing going on then to try to deceive the general public. Unless he thought he had it and didn't, which means he was really clueless.

Prince was such a proud and private person, I'm thinking that if he'd gone into rehab, he would have emerged hopefully on a better path and no one outside his immediate circle would ever have known about it.

I would imagine he kept a lot of it to himself, and was probably a very difficult person to help in these circumstances. It seems to me that what he lacked more than anything was closeness with his family, and not having a wife/life partner and kids etc who would have fought harder for him or somehow forced him to seek help earlier. I think Prince kept a lot to himself and staffers and friends could probably only do so much. I remember reading an interview with Dr Fink years ago, where he said he reached out to Prince at the time Prince's son died, but Prince did not want to talk about it...I think that's how he was, someone who kept a lot inside and who found it very difficult to open up etc. I agree though, that it seems appalling P. was left on his own that night, one would think somebody would have stepped in. Maybe we'll never have the answers to certain aspects of it.

I can't seem to get angry today, I feel more shell shocked and just horrified at the enormity of it, it is just tragic and truly heartbreaking. I can't bear to think of the pain and fear he must have been living with.

I'm done reading about any of this. None of it is going to help me get over what has happened nor will it undo what has already occurred. More knowledge will not bring closure. Only time and distance will. In the end, Prince was as human as any of us and as subject to the misfortunes of life as any. But, his music still stands and will endure as a testament to his life.

FunkiestOne said:

terrig said:

ya I started reading about opiate withdrawal - and it comes with flu-like symptoms...a friend of mine actually passed out from dehydration from the flu and he was risk for walking pnuemonia...that is still entirely plausible....but they flew in an addiction specialist because it was an emergency - they were very very serious abiut helping him, whoever set it up.

i dotn usually listen to 911 calls and that stuff but I did listen to Princes. I was livid that the guy who made the call didnt seem to know where he was, and was unable to give the operator the physical address of PP. Now it makes sense why.

I think if the family just releases all the facts when the toxicology report comes back it will end all the speculation and hopefully highlight the opiate problem in america. i dont think Prince was an 'addict' - in the way we think of addicts and recreational drugs.

but he needed the medication its very hard not to see that now. my heart is breaking for him over and over. i cant stop crying.

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My thinking is why would he tweet about influenza a week before the ATL shows were postpoined if he didn't really have it? There was nothing going on then to try to deceive the general public. Unless he thought he had it and didn't, which means he was really clueless.

They say de-nial ain't just a river in Eygpt. And that's where he was. Maybe.

irresistiblebitch666 said:

Why the hell didnt anyone try to help that man sooner? Why the fuck did someone decide to leave a man who was supposedly deathly sick in that big ass mansion by himself? None of this makes a fucking lick of sense. If Prince was in a hospital in moline, he should have stayed there. Fuck not having a private room. Fuck yes men. Prince should have put his big ass ego to the side for one time and put his health first. If someone has to administer a save shot for you, you are not okay. Your health is failing! You are not a spring chicken anymore! Someone in Prince's camp should have stood up to him and made him stay in that hospital. Hell, everyone in Prince's camp should have made him stay in that hospital. Why the fuck didnt Prince's siblings make him stay in the hospital? I swear to god that there is way more going on here than we are being told. There is more bullshit to this.

It's easy to blame others for Prince's death, but we don't know enough about how this all played out. We don't know if Prince knew about the intervention or not. We don't know if Prince would not let anyone stay with him. Maybe if we were in Prince's inner circle, we would have done the same thing. Who's to say. I am deeply saddened that help was on the way, but they did not get there in time.

nelcp777 said:

If an intervention was planned, then why was he drove to a pharmacy the night before? A lot of the pieces to the mystery are coming together but there are still questions that need answers.

The driver the night before and Prince being alone. If his health was grave someone should have stayed.

I do understand, nothing will change the reality of what has happened. I am just trying to make sense of this like most others.

i wonder that as well, but that in and of itself would also indicate the behaviour of an addicted person.

it doesnt harm who he is to me, but the dr making the 911 call may be a conscious leak to stop fueling all the other hideous speculation.

it does appear as though someone attempted to get him help. for me that matters so much ....i dont want to think of a bunch of bumbling idiots around him. rt now we know there was at least ONE person who called that specialist.

tmo1965 said:

irresistiblebitch666 said:

Why the hell didnt anyone try to help that man sooner? Why the fuck did someone decide to leave a man who was supposedly deathly sick in that big ass mansion by himself? None of this makes a fucking lick of sense. If Prince was in a hospital in moline, he should have stayed there. Fuck not having a private room. Fuck yes men. Prince should have put his big ass ego to the side for one time and put his health first. If someone has to administer a save shot for you, you are not okay. Your health is failing! You are not a spring chicken anymore! Someone in Prince's camp should have stood up to him and made him stay in that hospital. Hell, everyone in Prince's camp should have made him stay in that hospital. Why the fuck didnt Prince's siblings make him stay in the hospital? I swear to god that there is way more going on here than we are being told. There is more bullshit to this.

It's easy to blame others for Prince's death, but we don't know enough about how this all played out. We don't know if Prince knew about the intervention or not. We don't know if Prince would not let anyone stay with him. Maybe if we were in Prince's inner circle, we would have done the same thing. Who's to say. I am deeply saddened that help was on the way, but they did not get there in time.

I don't believe Prince was completely immalleable. Everybody keeps blaming Larry for brainwashing him, obviously somebody could get through the stubbornness when they wanted to. Maybe the ones that were currently around him didn't know how, but there was someone.

babynoz said:

Exerpt from....

http://prescription-drug....cet-to-od/



"The vast majority of drug poisoning deaths are unintentional. There are a lot of different reasons why someone might accidentally overdose on Percocet. First, the oxycodone in Percocet creates a physical tolerance over time. After taking Percocet for an extended period, you may no longer be getting adequate pain relief from your prescribed dose and need more to achieve analgesic effect. But it only takes one or two extra pills to overdose on the acetaminophen in Percocet, even thought the amount of oxycodone is likely to still be safe. So, increasing the frequency or amount of medication each day is an easy way to unintentionally overdose on Percocet."

Oxycodone overdose – It’s also possible to overdose on the oxycodone found in Percocet, but this requires taking enough Percocet that you’d be having issues with the acetaminophen already. It takes about 40 mg of oxycodone to overdose if you haven’t taken the medication before. At the lowest strength of Percocet, you’d need over 16 pills for the oxycodone to be dangerous, but you’d be well over the daily limit for acetaminophen poisoning and would need immediate medical attention.

I don't think we're allowed to reprint the whole article but it begs the question why didnt somebody insist on staying with him?

[Edited 5/3/16 23:22pm]

Probably true and if so not good. Paracetamol is very toxic to the liver and easy to overdose on, although not psychologically addictive. Drugs manufacturers pair it with NSAIDS, codeine, oxycodone, which is just asking for trouble.

There will be even more pain and resentment from people here if it turns out he died that way because it would be far from painless. The autopsy report will definitely shed light on this.

I know we will debate Prince's death forever on here, but tell me how to make the pain go away now...this is too much. I may have to step away from this

McD said:

TMZ are putting a new spin on today's revelations. That the emergency Dr and his son are possibly being investigated as part of the problem, not the solution. They have, apparently, hired a criminal lawyer.

Source?????