Just dug out "T's" 12 inch archive for the first time in many a moon, as I'm trying to sort through my CDs and put the Prince stuff together.

These 12 Inches are Essential. Some of It, a Lot of It, is Prince at his absolute best.

As they talked about at the Billboard panel, he entirely flips songs around and INVENTED the remix.

sro100 said:

Let's not get to over excited.

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In no way did Prince invent the remix. In fact there are very few remixes of his tracks.

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One thing that is quite unique to Prince is the re-recorded extended version of tracks. There are very few or maybe no other artist that has done that or has done that to the extent of Prince.

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to SkinMechanic: "a few"...??? wtf..... Prince was responsible for a LOT of brilliant b-sides and ext remixes.......


The Skin Mechanic why are you so half hearted towards Prince music... most of ur posts are very critical its annoying.. come on you are critical towards these essential mixes off the 80s...

Makes no sense to me....! Rant over (for now)........

[Edited 5/7/16 6:27am]

darkroman said:

One thing that is quite unique to Prince is the re-recorded extended version of tracks. There are very few or maybe no other artist that has done that or has done that to the extent of Prince.

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Wrong: Duran Duran's "Nite Version" of their songs were usually re-recordings.

KingSausage said:

I dig my 12" out every time I need to pee.

you mean centimeters?

The 80s seemed like a great era of b-sides, remixes, etc.. The Cure was another group that had some awesome b-sides during that decade, and of course Prince's Erotic City, 17 Days, etc. are legendary. Not sure why that went away, maybe part of 7" & 12" singles becoming less relevant?

TheSkinMechanic said:

sro100 said:

Just dug out "T's" 12 inch archive for the first time in many a moon, as I'm trying to sort through my CDs and put the Prince stuff together.

These 12 Inches are Essential. Some of It, a Lot of It, is Prince at his absolute best.

As they talked about at the Billboard panel, he entirely flips songs around and INVENTED the remix.

No, Prince did NOT "invent the remix", but he was responsible for a few great ones.

Go watch the Billboard panel discussion.

KingSausage said:

darkroman said:

Let's not get to over excited.

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In no way did Prince invent the remix. In fact there are very few remixes of his tracks.

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One thing that is quite unique to Prince is the re-recorded extended version of tracks. There are very few or maybe no other artist that has done that or has done that to the extent of Prince.

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You don't want to get TOO excited? Why?

From the Billboard panel it seems he DID invent the remix. Up until that point it was merely extended versions of songs; Prince changed it into a whole 'nother thing.

Very few remixes?????

peppeken said:

BartVanHemelen said:

darkroman said:

One thing that is quite unique to Prince is the re-recorded extended version of tracks. There are very few or maybe no other artist that has done that or has done that to the extent of Prince.

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Wrong: Duran Duran's "Nite Version" of their songs were usually re-recordings.

The person said "very few or maybe no other artist" so....

sro100 said:

Just dug out "T's" 12 inch archive for the first time in many a moon, as I'm trying to sort through my CDs and put the Prince stuff together.

These 12 Inches are Essential. Some of It, a Lot of It, is Prince at his absolute best.

As they talked about at the Billboard panel, he entirely flips songs around and INVENTED the remix.

As a side note: I think T's 12" Archive has a problem, intentionally, in that the stereo channels are reversed... It's been years but I think he did it on this release.

sro100 said:

TheSkinMechanic said:

sro100 said: No, Prince did NOT "invent the remix", but he was responsible for a few great ones.

Go watch the Billboard panel discussion.

I have no idea what a "Billboard panel discussion" is. Is it someone stating that Prince invented the remix? If so, that person is wrong.

A cursory glance at Prince Vault tells me that the first Remix that appeared on a Prince 12" record was Lets' Work (Dance Remix) released in 1982.

Off the top of my head, I can cite Don't You Want Me (Extended Dance Mix) by The Human League and Planet Earth (Night Version) by Duran Duran - both released in 1981, and Grace Jones' I Need a Man (Disco Mix) which was released in 1977 - and these examples were certainly not unusual at the time. In fact 12"/10" remixes go back at least to the late sixties, when they were called 'dubs' in Jamaica for example.

thedance said:

to SkinMechanic: "a few"...??? wtf..... Prince was responsible for a LOT of brilliant b-sides and ext remixes.......


The Skin Mechanic why are you so half hearted towards Prince music... most of ur posts are very critical its annoying.. come on you are critical towards these essential mixes off the 80s...

Makes no sense to me....! Rant over (for now)........

[Edited 5/7/16 6:27am]

I am comparing Prince mixes, with ALL other remixes by other artists that I have heard, and I've heard some fabulous stuff that has nothing to do with Prince. The fact that I rate a few Prince 12"s amongst the very best I have ever heard is, in my opinion, high praise indeed.

TheSkinMechanic said:

sro100 said:

Go watch the Billboard panel discussion.

I have no idea what a "Billboard panel discussion" is. Is it someone stating that Prince invented the remix? If so, that person is wrong.

A cursory glance at Prince Vault tells me that the first Remix that appeared on a Prince 12" record was Lets' Work (Dance Remix) released in 1982.

Off the top of my head, I can cite Don't You Want Me (Extended Dance Mix) by The Human League and Planet Earth (Night Version) by Duran Duran - both released in 1981, and Grace Jones' I Need a Man (Disco Mix) which was released in 1977 - and these examples were certainly not unusual at the time. In fact 12"/10" remixes go back at least to the late sixties, when they were called 'dubs' in Jamaica for example.

The Billboard Panel discussion consisted of Questlove, Spike Lee and others talking about Prince for 1 1/2 hours. In it, I believe, Questlove teaches a class on Prince and said, yes, Prince did invent it. Up until then they were basically just EXTENDED; for example my Parliament 12 inch collection is just that.

With the renewed interest in his music since his passing, I'd like to see a colletion of his 12" extended/remixed singles. I thought that the 2-disc Ultimate Prince set was a step in the right direction. Alot of his 80's singles haven't been released on cd in their extended/remixed versions as far as I know like Anotherloverholenyohead or Glam Slam.

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sro100 said:

TheSkinMechanic said:

I have no idea what a "Billboard panel discussion" is. Is it someone stating that Prince invented the remix? If so, that person is wrong.

A cursory glance at Prince Vault tells me that the first Remix that appeared on a Prince 12" record was Lets' Work (Dance Remix) released in 1982.

Off the top of my head, I can cite Don't You Want Me (Extended Dance Mix) by The Human League and Planet Earth (Night Version) by Duran Duran - both released in 1981, and Grace Jones' I Need a Man (Disco Mix) which was released in 1977 - and these examples were certainly not unusual at the time. In fact 12"/10" remixes go back at least to the late sixties, when they were called 'dubs' in Jamaica for example.

The Billboard Panel discussion consisted of Questlove, Spike Lee and others talking about Prince for 1 1/2 hours. In it, I believe, Questlove teaches a class on Prince and said, yes, Prince did invent it. Up until then they were basically just EXTENDED; for example my Parliament 12 inch collection is just that.

Well, Questlove is wrong. I've already proven that in my humble post, and I'm sure Google will offer hundreds, if not, thousands of other examples of remixes (not extended edits) released before Let's Work in 1982.

The extended version of La La La He He Hee is absolutely a masterpiece.

TheSkinMechanic said:

sro100 said:

The Billboard Panel discussion consisted of Questlove, Spike Lee and others talking about Prince for 1 1/2 hours. In it, I believe, Questlove teaches a class on Prince and said, yes, Prince did invent it. Up until then they were basically just EXTENDED; for example my Parliament 12 inch collection is just that.

Well, Questlove is wrong. I've already proven that in my humble post, and I'm sure Google will offer hundreds, if not, thousands of other examples of remixes (not extended edits) released before Let's Work in 1982.

It's not about just extending the songs. It's about doing what Prince did to them and basically creating something new.

Fine you know more than the guy who teaches, literally, the course on Prince.

sro100 said:

TheSkinMechanic said:

Well, Questlove is wrong. I've already proven that in my humble post, and I'm sure Google will offer hundreds, if not, thousands of other examples of remixes (not extended edits) released before Let's Work in 1982.

It's not about just extending the songs. It's about doing what Prince did to them and basically creating something new.

Fine you know more than the guy who teaches, literally, the course on Prince.

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And Puffy has an album called "We Invented The Remix". So what? Questlove is wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remix .

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Want an example? https://en.wikipedia.org/...ife_(song):

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There were two versions of the song available. The 7" version would later become the "album version", as it would eventually appear on the UK version of Speak & Spell, released in October 1981, and a 12" "remix," which differs from the "album version" in that it has a different intro, intensely percussive and harder, and an added synth part in the "solo" vocal section in the middle of the song, which is not present on the 7" mix.

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Now Prince: https://princevault.com/i...t%27s_Work:

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Prince and Morris Day worked on the Dance Remix of the track on 8 December 1981, two months after the track's initial release, also at Sunset Sound.

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FunkiestOne said:

The extended version of La La La He He Hee is absolutely a masterpiece.

OMG! Definitely!

sro100 said:

TheSkinMechanic said:

Well, Questlove is wrong. I've already proven that in my humble post, and I'm sure Google will offer hundreds, if not, thousands of other examples of remixes (not extended edits) released before Let's Work in 1982.

It's not about just extending the songs. It's about doing what Prince did to them and basically creating something new.

Fine you know more than the guy who teaches, literally, the course on Prince.

Ok, I'm not going to respond to this anymore as you seem to have some difficulty accepting that Prince did not invent the remix. I will offer a small quote directly from Wikipedia, and if you or Questlove still belive it to be incorrect, you can take it up directly with Wikipedia and everyone else's general knowledge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-inch_single#Technical_features

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remix#Roots_of_the_remix

"With the 1967 Jamaican invention of remix, called dub on the island, those "specials" became valuable items sold to allied sound system DJs, who could draw crowds with their exclusive hits. The popularity of remix sound engineer King Tubby, who singlehandedly invented and perfected dub remixes from as early as 1967, led to more exclusive dub plates being cut. By then 10-inch records were used to cut those dubs. By 1971, most reggae singles issued in Jamaica included on their B-side a dub remix of the A-side, many of them first tested as exclusive "dub plates" on dances. Those dubs basically included drum and bass-oriented remixes used by sound system selecters."

As an aside, how come I'm not able to post links anymore (the link section is greyed out), but other people clearly can? S'not fair!

God I loved those mid-80s 12"s - the Kiss one, or La La La Hee Hee Hee extended - they were like whole new crazy universeses spun off the back of the original track.

I remember being so shocked when I heard the Hot Thing 12" and discovered it was just a regular remix, by Shep Pettibone - not some kind of crazy Prince constructrion.

I Wish U Heaven Parts 1 to 3 is the last piece of unalloyed Prince genius for me - I love it more than anything on the album.

BartVanHemelen said:

darkroman said:

One thing that is quite unique to Prince is the re-recorded extended version of tracks. There are very few or maybe no other artist that has done that or has done that to the extent of Prince.

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Wrong: Duran Duran's "Nite Version" of their songs were usually re-recordings.

....to be fair, he did caveat his statement with "very few". So saying he's WRONG is a bit harsh...