SEX (Levi)

FunkiestOne said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Here we go again with the did Wendy & Lisa really write or create this mess.

Eye surely hope when finishes his Memoirs. That he clarifies this once & 4 all. Which I'm pretty sure is the main reason he disbanded The Revolution in 1986.

Get yourself together Kcool, you're making an even bigger show of yourself than usual.

TrevorAyer said:

Soft n wet Dirty mind Party up Head Contrversey Do me baby Little red corvette Computer blue Purple rain Around the world in a day Raspberry beret America Cristopher tracy parade I wonder u Under the cherry moon Mountains Kiss Sometimes it snows Slow love

can you elaborate on these?

TrevorAyer said:

Soft n wet Dirty mind Party up Head Contrversey Do me baby Little red corvette Computer blue Purple rain Around the world in a day Raspberry beret America Cristopher tracy parade I wonder u Under the cherry moon Mountains Kiss Sometimes it snows Slow love

Dirty Mind? Head? Controversy? Purple Rain? Little red corvette? Cristopher Tracys Parade? I wonder U? Under the Cherry Moon? Even the others are rather speculative.

From the list only Mountains, Sometimes it Snows in April and Around the World in a Day were clearly co-written by Prince and someone else.

[Edited 4/19/16 9:21am]

TrevorAyer said:

Eye no Scandelous We can funk 17 days Crystal ball Gett off Diamonds n pearlz Money dont mattah My name prince Sexy mf

You made up all of these.

paulludvig said:

paulludvig said:

NorthC said:

paulludvig said:

Dirty Mind? Head? Controversy? Purple Rain? Little red corvette? Cristopher Tracys Parade? I wonder U? Under the Cherry Moon? Even the others are rather speculative.

From the list only Mountains, Sometimes it Snows in April and Around the World in a Day were clearly co-written by Prince and someone else.

[Edited 4/19/16 9:21am]

Fink gets a co-writing credit for Dirty Mind on the albums inner sleeve. I don't know about all the others, but Trevor is right at least in some cases.

17 Days co-created by Prince, Wendy, Lisa, Dr. Fink

OldFriends4Sale said:

NorthC said:

paulludvig said: Fink gets a co-writing credit for Dirty Mind on the albums inner sleeve. I don't know about all the others, but Trevor is right at least in some cases.

17 Days co-created by Prince, Wendy, Lisa, Dr. Fink

Officially, yes. But there's a recording of Prince playing 17 Days before Wendy was around

jaawwnn said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Here we go again with the did Wendy & Lisa really write or create this mess.

Eye surely hope when finishes his Memoirs. That he clarifies this once & 4 all. Which I'm pretty sure is the main reason he disbanded The Revolution in 1986.

Get yourself together Kcool, you're making an even bigger show of yourself than usual.

Prince knew back in the day...that he had to start giving credit for stuff - because there is no way he would have hit the big-time without recognising the input of those around him

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But he was smart enough to ensure it was his name on the publishing rights

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Prince is a genius...that is accepted

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But to believe he created all the creative/musical output by himself is...frankly naive

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Baby (Chris Moon)

(+ another song or 2 on For You)

Soul Sanctuary (Sandra St Victor) who was not all that pleased how it all happened

Party Up (Morris Day)

Chris Moon makes clear in Matt Thorne's book that he had nothing to do with "Baby," and thought that Prince shouldn't even be mentioning unwanted pregnancy, since the young girls he saw as their target audience did not want to be thinking about that. So I think we can mark that one off.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

it is well accepted lore and there as an AC demo recoded of it from 1979.

and even AC has said it was his song:

From an interview i can not link to as it has some prince songs on it:

"Our friend and sort-of-manager Pepe Willie had a cousin or uncle who was a member of Little Anthony and the Imperials. I knew who they were because I was into them as a kid. Pepe said, “They are looking for songs.” I wrote a song that became controversial, in retrospect, because it became “Do Me, Baby.” I wrote that for the Little Anthony and the Imperials project. That song came out [on Prince’s Controversy] and I didn’t get credit for it. I had written it for a girlfriend at the time. She still has a copy of my demo.

I never got into all the controversy. I thought of it as we were all inspired by each other in the group, Grand Central. I brought things to the musical table, William, Morris, Terry, Charles, Linda, and Prince did too. I didn’t look at it as being ripped off."

[Edited 4/18/16 8:24am]

[Edited 4/18/16 8:24am]

I really would love to hear that demo--everyone always says it's "Do Me, Baby," but I wonder how much of it was already there, and how much only came later. Even Andre says here the song "became 'Do Me, Baby'"--suggesting that it was not yet that song, maybe even completely different lyrically (if there even were lyrics at the time). Was it a groove, or was there a melody? Was it some ideas that Prince took, or a complete song? If it were a complete song, I doubt he'd be that cavalier. And who is this girlfriend? She had a copy at some point!

I fully accept that there must be something to this story--too many people seem to make reference to the idea that Do Me Baby has its origins in this demo that Andre recorded. Similarly, I find it more likely that Partyup had something to do with Morris than that it didn't. But I also find it hightly unlikely that Morris had a completed song that Prince took. I'd like to know exactly what these "originals" consisted of.

It will ALL b revealed in the MEGA Memoir "The Beautiful Ones"....

^Yes..."A" version of events will be revealed...if it ever gets released...

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Reservations....on content and if it will be released...

hey soul sanctuary (the title) came from me...but who cares ..right?

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It will ALL b revealed in the MEGA Memoir "The Beautiful Ones"....

probably not. I don't think he will get into all the details like that.
It will probably more imagery descriptive, not detailed

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

17 Days co-created by Prince, Wendy, Lisa, Dr. Fink

Officially, yes. But there's a recording of Prince playing 17 Days before Wendy was around

Wendy was around since the latter Dirty Mind years.
And she did vocals on Free from 1999 recorded in 1982

and would sit in on guitar when Dez wasn't around during the 1999yrs

EddieC said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

it is well accepted lore and there as an AC demo recoded of it from 1979.

and even AC has said it was his song:

From an interview i can not link to as it has some prince songs on it:

"Our friend and sort-of-manager Pepe Willie had a cousin or uncle who was a member of Little Anthony and the Imperials. I knew who they were because I was into them as a kid. Pepe said, “They are looking for songs.” I wrote a song that became controversial, in retrospect, because it became “Do Me, Baby.” I wrote that for the Little Anthony and the Imperials project. That song came out [on Prince’s Controversy] and I didn’t get credit for it. I had written it for a girlfriend at the time. She still has a copy of my demo.

I never got into all the controversy. I thought of it as we were all inspired by each other in the group, Grand Central. I brought things to the musical table, William, Morris, Terry, Charles, Linda, and Prince did too. I didn’t look at it as being ripped off."

[Edited 4/18/16 8:24am]

[Edited 4/18/16 8:24am]

I really would love to hear that demo--everyone always says it's "Do Me, Baby," but I wonder how much of it was already there, and how much only came later. Even Andre says here the song "became 'Do Me, Baby'"--suggesting that it was not yet that song, maybe even completely different lyrically (if there even were lyrics at the time). Was it a groove, or was there a melody? Was it some ideas that Prince took, or a complete song? If it were a complete song, I doubt he'd be that cavalier. And who is this girlfriend? She had a copy at some point!

I fully accept that there must be something to this story--too many people seem to make reference to the idea that Do Me Baby has its origins in this demo that Andre recorded. Similarly, I find it more likely that Partyup had something to do with Morris than that it didn't. But I also find it hightly unlikely that Morris had a completed song that Prince took. I'd like to know exactly what these "originals" consisted of.

I agree. thing is a groove or melody is enough to make a song.

With Party Up, it seems it was a complete song that Prince made a deal 4.
It is possible that Morris did (PartyUp)'s music and Prince took the music and put lyrics to it...
Do we have anything from Morris Day on that song?

OldFriends4Sale said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It will ALL b revealed in the MEGA Memoir "The Beautiful Ones"....

probably not. I don't think he will get into all the details like that.
It will probably more imagery descriptive, not detailed

Imagery descriptive? isn't getting paid all that money for "imagery descriptions" That can't be accepted in a memoir. Random House wouldn't accept a book like that. This Memoir is going to have the world's tongues wagging for years to come...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

probably not. I don't think he will get into all the details like that.
It will probably more imagery descriptive, not detailed

Imagery descriptive? isn't getting paid all that money for "imagery descriptions" That can't be accepted in a memoir. Random House wouldn't accept a book like that. This Memoir is going to have the world's tongues wagging for years to come...

I fear it'll be his death-knell Kcool. If he writes an entire book about conspiracy theories and some of his wackier religious ideas we'll be in trouble...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

probably not. I don't think he will get into all the details like that.
It will probably more imagery descriptive, not detailed

Imagery descriptive? isn't getting paid all that money for "imagery descriptions" That can't be accepted in a memoir. Random House wouldn't accept a book like that. This Memoir is going to have the world's tongues wagging for years to come...

#BOOKSMATTER #PRINCEDOESLOOKBACK

At one point Prince asked the crowd:"You all still read books right?"

"an unconventional and poetic journey through his life and creative work – from the family that shaped him and the people, places, and ideas that fired his creative imagination, to the stories behind the music that changed the world,"

jaawwnn said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Imagery descriptive? isn't getting paid all that money for "imagery descriptions" That can't be accepted in a memoir. Random House wouldn't accept a book like that. This Memoir is going to have the world's tongues wagging for years to come...

I fear it'll be his death-knell Kcool. If he writes an entire book about conspiracy theories and some of his wackier religious ideas we'll be in trouble...

KCOOLMUZIQ said: Eye predict 's book will b short & brilliant -- just like he is. #TheAuthorCurrentlyKnownAsPrince

OldFriends4Sale said:

EddieC said:

I really would love to hear that demo--everyone always says it's "Do Me, Baby," but I wonder how much of it was already there, and how much only came later. Even Andre says here the song "became 'Do Me, Baby'"--suggesting that it was not yet that song, maybe even completely different lyrically (if there even were lyrics at the time). Was it a groove, or was there a melody? Was it some ideas that Prince took, or a complete song? If it were a complete song, I doubt he'd be that cavalier. And who is this girlfriend? She had a copy at some point!

I fully accept that there must be something to this story--too many people seem to make reference to the idea that Do Me Baby has its origins in this demo that Andre recorded. Similarly, I find it more likely that Partyup had something to do with Morris than that it didn't. But I also find it hightly unlikely that Morris had a completed song that Prince took. I'd like to know exactly what these "originals" consisted of.

I agree. thing is a groove or melody is enough to make a song.

With Party Up, it seems it was a complete song that Prince made a deal 4.
It is possible that Morris did (PartyUp)'s music and Prince took the music and put lyrics to it...
Do we have anything from Morris Day on that song?

Certainly a groove is enough to make a song (at the very least in the sense of, make it worth listening to)--but as far as I can tell, melody and lyrics are the copyrightable bits (though if it gets to a jury, who knows what they'll do). I'm not arguing that "just a groove" doesn't matter--of course it does, especially in funk and R&B. But melody and lyrics still matter, too--and some people seem to feel that if anyone contributed anything, Prince's contributions somehow don't count, but that it's "the other person's song."

I'm not sure I've ever seen Morris himself say anything about "Partyup" either way.

jaawwnn said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Imagery descriptive? isn't getting paid all that money for "imagery descriptions" That can't be accepted in a memoir. Random House wouldn't accept a book like that. This Memoir is going to have the world's tongues wagging for years to come...

I fear it'll be his death-knell Kcool. If he writes an entire book about conspiracy theories and some of his wackier religious ideas we'll be in trouble...

It won't..Having Dan Piepenbring helping him speaks volumes on the insight is revealing

OldFriends4Sale said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Imagery descriptive? isn't getting paid all that money for "imagery descriptions" That can't be accepted in a memoir. Random House wouldn't accept a book like that. This Memoir is going to have the world's tongues wagging for years to come...

#BOOKSMATTER #PRINCEDOESLOOKBACK

At one point Prince asked the crowd:"You all still read books right?"

"an unconventional and poetic journey through his life and creative work – from the family that shaped him and the people, places, and ideas that fired his creative imagination, to the stories behind the music that changed the world,"

"My brother Dan is helping me with it. He's, um, a good CRITIC. He's not a yes man at all. We're starting at the BEGINNING, from my FIRST memory,and hopefully we can get all the way to the Super Bowl."