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Thread started 04/18/16 5:07am

jayspud

What are your thoughts on 'upgrading' to Prince Vinyls?

I had a number of Prince vinyls as a teenager but then moved on to tapes, CD's and now digital. I'm now looking at experiencing Vinyl again. Is is worth doing? Is there generally a warmer sound or is it purely a subjective emotional difference? Does focusing on a Vinyl Prince record give you a better experience?
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Reply #1 posted 04/18/16 5:17am

udo

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'Warmth' can also be gotten in other ways.

If you can bear the extra hassle of vinyl then go ahead and try it!

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #2 posted 04/18/16 5:20am

jaawwnn

Most people agree Sign O the Times is better on vinyl so get that one at least. I don't notice much difference elsewhere but maybe it's noticeable on a really expensive setup.

The other thing to keep in mind is that up to about 1990 or so, his albums were designed to be listened to on vinyl, with a side a and side b and all that so I'd say it's worth it for that alone. Plus, big artwork!

But beware of being fooled by the hype, i'm not convinced there's much of an upgrade in sound in Prince's case (and I do notice it in other bands btw).

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Reply #3 posted 04/18/16 5:27am

TonyWilliams

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jayspud said:

I had a number of Prince vinyls as a teenager but then moved on to tapes, CD's and now digital. I'm now looking at experiencing Vinyl again. Is is worth doing? Is there generally a warmer sound or is it purely a subjective emotional difference? Does focusing on a Vinyl Prince record give you a better experience?

Hi there, i`ve done it - and i have no regrets of doing so. I still have all the digital stuff available. Some of the rare albums are quite expensive, like "rave", "the rainbow children", "exodus".

I´ve always had the related artists collection (digital) to a VERY large degree, but vinyl made me embrace the magic of, let`s say "sugar walls", again and don`t ever want to loose that particular sound again in my life. also, i`ve noticed that, when you have friends visiting, for dinner for example, it`s much more relaxed because you really start listening to albums again. before, sooner or later, everybody was sitting at the table with their iphones, connected to my system, exploring my digital vault and you could hardly listen to a track from start to finish. this is a big plus now. you put on the album "parade", and you listen to side a, and if everybody is happy, you just flip the record. ah - so relaxing.

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Reply #4 posted 04/18/16 5:33am

NorthC

jaawwnn said:

Most people agree Sign O the Times is better on vinyl so get that one at least. I don't notice much difference elsewhere but maybe it's noticeable on a really expensive setup.

The other thing to keep in mind is that up to about 1990 or so, his albums were designed to be listened to on vinyl, with a side a and side b and all that so I'd say it's worth it for that alone. Plus, big artwork!

But beware of being fooled by the hype, i'm not convinced there's much of an upgrade in sound in Prince's case (and I do notice it in other bands btw).


All this 180 grams remastered stuff may be a bit of a hype, but I do prefer the sound of an LP. Although I have to admit, I did get myself a €1000 record player when I could afford it. Of course it doesn't have to be that expensive. All the original LPs sound excellent and can be bought for a fair price. I'd say, yeah! Do it!
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Reply #5 posted 04/18/16 5:56am

jayspud

Thank you so much for the replies thus far. It really has been the best of the org. Great informative answers, technical and atmospheric. Thanks, you've gone a large way in convincing me 😉
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Reply #6 posted 04/18/16 6:15am

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jayspud said:

I had a number of Prince vinyls as a teenager but then moved on to tapes, CD's and now digital. I'm now looking at experiencing Vinyl again. Is is worth doing? Is there generally a warmer sound or is it purely a subjective emotional difference? Does focusing on a Vinyl Prince record give you a better experience?

The original Prince vinyls were mastered by Bernie Grundman. Seek them out. They are SUPERIOR to the CDS.

Most Prince vinyls floating about ere pressed at different places and do not have that mastering.

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Reply #7 posted 04/18/16 6:33am

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TonyWilliams said:

jayspud said:

I had a number of Prince vinyls as a teenager but then moved on to tapes, CD's and now digital. I'm now looking at experiencing Vinyl again. Is is worth doing? Is there generally a warmer sound or is it purely a subjective emotional difference? Does focusing on a Vinyl Prince record give you a better experience?

Hi there, i`ve done it - and i have no regrets of doing so. I still have all the digital stuff available. Some of the rare albums are quite expensive, like "rave", "the rainbow children", "exodus".

I´ve always had the related artists collection (digital) to a VERY large degree, but vinyl made me embrace the magic of, let`s say "sugar walls", again and don`t ever want to loose that particular sound again in my life. also, i`ve noticed that, when you have friends visiting, for dinner for example, it`s much more relaxed because you really start listening to albums again. before, sooner or later, everybody was sitting at the table with their iphones, connected to my system, exploring my digital vault and you could hardly listen to a track from start to finish. this is a big plus now. you put on the album "parade", and you listen to side a, and if everybody is happy, you just flip the record. ah - so relaxing.

U have to be strict. This immature fighting on the PC to get my music played at someone else's party always drove me crazy since digital and streaming services allowed it. No one is allowed to touch the music player on my computer when I have guests. Ever. Period. And it wouldn't cross my mind to start messing up with someone's playlist when i'm their guest. People actually react quite well to that rule when it's made clear.

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Reply #8 posted 04/18/16 10:08am

namepeace

Did anyone else have issues with the Lovesexy vinyl? I bought different copies played on different turntables and had a lot of skipping in both.

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Reply #9 posted 04/18/16 10:11am

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namepeace said:

Did anyone else have issues with the Lovesexy vinyl? I bought different copies played on different turntables and had a lot of skipping in both.

That's because all the tracks are on a single track. U need to put ur hands on a tracked LP.

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Reply #10 posted 04/18/16 11:31am

NorthC

databank said:



namepeace said:


Did anyone else have issues with the Lovesexy vinyl? I bought different copies played on different turntables and had a lot of skipping in both.



That's because all the tracks are on a single track. U need to put ur hands on a tracked LP.


There's a difference? I knew about the CD, but not the LP. Can you explain what you mean? (I never had any trouble with it myself, bought it in 88 and still sounds fine.)
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Reply #11 posted 04/18/16 11:49am

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I never had any problems at all playing Lovesexy on vinyl..

I don't understand why there should be a problem, the cd was a 1 track.

The vinyl is playing just like every other vinyl....

You just have to buy your LP's in NM condition (near mint/ almost like new)

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Reply #12 posted 04/18/16 12:19pm

namepeace

databank said:

namepeace said:

Did anyone else have issues with the Lovesexy vinyl? I bought different copies played on different turntables and had a lot of skipping in both.

That's because all the tracks are on a single track. U need to put ur hands on a tracked LP.


I thought they were tracked but I'll recheck.

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Reply #13 posted 04/18/16 12:20pm

namepeace

thedance said:

I never had any problems at all playing Lovesexy on vinyl..

I don't understand why there should be a problem, the cd was a 1 track.

The vinyl is playing just like every other vinyl....

You just have to buy your LP's in NM condition (near mint/ almost like new)

[Edited 4/18/16 11:50am]


I didn't either. One copy I bought was sealed.

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Reply #14 posted 04/18/16 12:24pm

dm3857

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'Warmth' can also be gotten in other ways.

If you can bear the extra hassle of vinyl then go ahead and try it!

How? (this is a serious question)

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Reply #15 posted 04/18/16 12:38pm

Genesia

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keenly said:

jayspud said:

I had a number of Prince vinyls as a teenager but then moved on to tapes, CD's and now digital. I'm now looking at experiencing Vinyl again. Is is worth doing? Is there generally a warmer sound or is it purely a subjective emotional difference? Does focusing on a Vinyl Prince record give you a better experience?

The original Prince vinyls were mastered by Bernie Grundman. Seek them out. They are SUPERIOR to the CDS.

Most Prince vinyls floating about ere pressed at different places and do not have that mastering.


nod

I still have all my original Prince vinyl - from For You through Batman.

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Reply #16 posted 04/18/16 1:11pm

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I have tried 3 different copies of Lovesexy vinyl on 2 different turntables and never got it to play without skipping. All 3 copies were in excellent like-new condition with no signs of scratches or warping. I find it interesting that I'm not the only one that has had this problem and that some have never had this problem. Perhaps there was a bad pressing? confused

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Reply #17 posted 04/18/16 1:34pm

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djThunderfunk said:

I have tried 3 different copies of Lovesexy vinyl on 2 different turntables and never got it to play without skipping. All 3 copies were in excellent like-new condition with no signs of scratches or warping. I find it interesting that I'm not the only one that has had this problem and that some have never had this problem. Perhaps there was a bad pressing? confused

I first bought my vinyl from Kmart, and it skipped the needle too. I exchanged it for one that didn't. I think it has something to do with the bass not mastered for vinyl correctly, and it popping out the needle. some turntables allow you to adjust a countweight to weigh down the needle.

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Reply #18 posted 04/18/16 2:47pm

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djThunderfunk said:

I have tried 3 different copies of Lovesexy vinyl on 2 different turntables and never got it to play without skipping. All 3 copies were in excellent like-new condition with no signs of scratches or warping. I find it interesting that I'm not the only one that has had this problem and that some have never had this problem. Perhaps there was a bad pressing? confused



i've got a promo copy...it's never skipped.

in fact, i think ima spin that right....now.

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Reply #19 posted 04/18/16 6:08pm

Scooch87

I have For You through Batman on vinyl.

Regarding the comment on the Lovesexy album - I haven't had an issue with it skipping but I have noticed it seems to be cheaply made. A few years ago I held up the Lovesexy vinyl album to a light and I could see light coming through it. This is the only Prince album I noticed this on. Not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but if I hold the album up to, say, a window on a sunny day I can see light coming through. Weird...

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Reply #20 posted 04/18/16 11:04pm

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dm3857 said:

udo said:

'Warmth' can also be gotten in other ways.

If you can bear the extra hassle of vinyl then go ahead and try it!

How? (this is a serious question)

.

Get a turntable, good needle, preamp (if your amp does not have a phono input), vinyl, brush (etc) to clean vinyl, etc...

Install, adjust and enjoy the music. Always clean the disc before and after playing.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #21 posted 04/19/16 5:51am

databank

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namepeace said:

databank said:

That's because all the tracks are on a single track. U need to put ur hands on a tracked LP.


I thought they were tracked but I'll recheck.

lol lol lol

I was just joking because so many people complained about the one track CD version biggrin

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Reply #22 posted 04/19/16 7:38am

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I happen to already have a lot on vinly, the only oens I MUST have our Sign O the Times, and Rainbow Children. It is nice to hear the 12inch singles or GOD, Lovesexy on vinyl

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Reply #23 posted 04/19/16 9:22am

namepeace

databank said:

namepeace said:


I thought they were tracked but I'll recheck.

lol lol lol

I was just joking because so many people complained about the one track CD version biggrin


lol (I found a tracked CD years ago tho . . .)

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Reply #24 posted 04/19/16 9:41am

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TonyWilliams said:



jayspud said:


I had a number of Prince vinyls as a teenager but then moved on to tapes, CD's and now digital. I'm now looking at experiencing Vinyl again. Is is worth doing? Is there generally a warmer sound or is it purely a subjective emotional difference? Does focusing on a Vinyl Prince record give you a better experience?


Hi there, i`ve done it - and i have no regrets of doing so. I still have all the digital stuff available. Some of the rare albums are quite expensive, like "rave", "the rainbow children", "exodus".


I´ve always had the related artists collection (digital) to a VERY large degree, but vinyl made me embrace the magic of, let`s say "sugar walls", again and don`t ever want to loose that particular sound again in my life. also, i`ve noticed that, when you have friends visiting, for dinner for example, it`s much more relaxed because you really start listening to albums again. before, sooner or later, everybody was sitting at the table with their iphones, connected to my system, exploring my digital vault and you could hardly listen to a track from start to finish. this is a big plus now. you put on the album "parade", and you listen to side a, and if everybody is happy, you just flip the record. ah - so relaxing.






Rave is rare? Wow. I have that one...it was a gift! Not much of a fan of that album.
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Reply #25 posted 04/19/16 10:29am

NorthC

databank said:



namepeace said:




databank said:



That's because all the tracks are on a single track. U need to put ur hands on a tracked LP.




I thought they were tracked but I'll recheck.



lol lol lol


I was just joking because so many people complained about the one track CD version biggrin


duh
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Reply #26 posted 04/19/16 12:02pm

djThunderfunk

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BobGeorge909 said:

TonyWilliams said:

Hi there, i`ve done it - and i have no regrets of doing so. I still have all the digital stuff available. Some of the rare albums are quite expensive, like "rave", "the rainbow children", "exodus".

I´ve always had the related artists collection (digital) to a VERY large degree, but vinyl made me embrace the magic of, let`s say "sugar walls", again and don`t ever want to loose that particular sound again in my life. also, i`ve noticed that, when you have friends visiting, for dinner for example, it`s much more relaxed because you really start listening to albums again. before, sooner or later, everybody was sitting at the table with their iphones, connected to my system, exploring my digital vault and you could hardly listen to a track from start to finish. this is a big plus now. you put on the album "parade", and you listen to side a, and if everybody is happy, you just flip the record. ah - so relaxing.

Rave is rare? Wow. I have that one...it was a gift! Not much of a fan of that album.


Friend of mine just sold a sealed copy of Rave on vinyl for $150 on eBay... must be kind of rare.

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Reply #27 posted 04/20/16 7:44pm

bonatoc

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jayspud said:

I had a number of Prince vinyls as a teenager but then moved on to tapes, CD's and now digital. I'm now looking at experiencing Vinyl again. Is is worth doing? Is there generally a warmer sound or is it purely a subjective emotional difference? Does focusing on a Vinyl Prince record give you a better experience?


Look for original WEA (made in Germany) pressings in mint condition.
You'll hear Prince in 3D, I kid you not.

An A/B test with a CD is a no-brainer. You'll discover details never heard before.

The rest sucks. Do not trust recent releases, they may as well be vinyls made out of digital sources, which is ludicrous and has no point.

Google for the "Homemade Deluxe" editions first, and the "A Year In The Life" box set.
They have good FLACs made out of original polyvinyl acetates ('Power Soul).
You may have to tweak the EQ a bit, but you'll be already miles ahead of the horrendous Warner Bros CDs.


[Edited 4/20/16 19:51pm]

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Reply #28 posted 04/20/16 7:47pm

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jaawwnn said:

Most people agree Sign O the Times is better on vinyl so get that one at least. I don't notice much difference elsewhere but maybe it's noticeable on a really expensive setup.

The other thing to keep in mind is that up to about 1990 or so, his albums were designed to be listened to on vinyl, with a side a and side b and all that so I'd say it's worth it for that alone. Plus, big artwork!

But beware of being fooled by the hype, i'm not convinced there's much of an upgrade in sound in Prince's case (and I do notice it in other bands btw).


I regret to inform that you're officially deaf.


The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #29 posted 04/21/16 1:07am

jaawwnn

Thanks bonatoc. I stand by what I said though.

[Edited 4/21/16 1:09am]

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