that's really great that you found a band that fits what you want them to be for you. there's so many to choose from, so when we disparage others for NOT being that, or following their own muse, even if a its a "fleeting one" or one that involves a desire for stardom but doesn't come at the expense of personal growth (as if those things are mutually exclusive concepts).

Meanwhile, back to the intent of the post...

datdude said:

that's really great that you found a band that fits what you want them to be for you. there's so many to choose from, so when we disparage others for NOT being that, or following their own muse, even if a its a "fleeting one" or one that involves a desire for stardom but doesn't come at the expense of personal growth (as if those things are mutually exclusive concepts).

Meanwhile, back to the intent of the post...

Well, you and Bohemian appeared to be saying: well, he's older now, so he can't be dangerous etc. [relevant?] anymore, we shouldn't expect that of him, we should be glad for what we get blabla...

And I'm saying: they are also artists who CAN pull it off.

As for the thread topic: the song is crap.

Pentacle said:

datdude said:

that's really great that you found a band that fits what you want them to be for you. there's so many to choose from, so when we disparage others for NOT being that, or following their own muse, even if a its a "fleeting one" or one that involves a desire for stardom but doesn't come at the expense of personal growth (as if those things are mutually exclusive concepts).

Meanwhile, back to the intent of the post...

Well, you and Bohemian appeared to be saying: well, he's older now, so he can't be dangerous etc. [relevant?] anymore, we shouldn't expect that of him, we should be glad for what we get blabla...

And I'm saying: they are also artists who CAN pull it off.

As for the thread topic: the song is crap.

thank you!!! finally someone who wants the REAL PRINCE...

PHASE 2 is boring... it's an album u can listen 2 when ur in a retirement center.

Pentacle said:

datdude said:

IF u read what I stated about some of the things danger can me besides what u WANT them to mean apparently u didn't grasp them. My feelings remain regardless of what u think of the song. Not that anyone who isn't Black can't appreciate the song but I'm not surprised by those who don't. Of course the sonic structure is an 'out' if the content is lost on someone like u. (Plural). Mellow Prince does not = retirement homr. Good musicianship is timeless. There's multiple threads per day u can hop on to wax nostalgically or bash everything post 80s. Pick one

I don't need Prince to sing about incest with his sister, but something substantial would be nice.

And songs about masturbation are always great, of course.

Or you know, something insubstantial set to cracking music, like most of his old output.

Bohemian67 said:

Pentacle said:

Well, you and Bohemian appeared to be saying: well, he's older now, so he can't be dangerous etc. [relevant?] anymore, we shouldn't expect that of him, we should be glad for what we get blabla...

And I'm saying: they are also artists who CAN pull it off.

As for the thread topic: the song is crap.

Checked out New Model army on youtube. Urgh. "Puking smilie". Typical rockers like Van Halen, Rolling Stones, Aerosmith etc whom I've never liked. Ugly White men with long hair. Little soul, no R&B, too hard, too noisy. They sounded awful too too generic

They are nothing like Van Halen or Aerosmith; they ARE Stones influences (whose music is very different from VH and Aerosmith); 'generic' - that is actually the first time in history this label has been put on them.

Lucky for you they'll be in the Amsterdam Melkweg around Christmas, like every year. I'll be seeing you there. I'm one of the ugly white men in the audience, but beauty is on the inside, right?

But back on topic: What happened to you, Prince? Your ass used to be beautiful.

Pentacle said:

datdude said:

IF u read what I stated about some of the things danger can me besides what u WANT them to mean apparently u didn't grasp them. My feelings remain regardless of what u think of the song. Not that anyone who isn't Black can't appreciate the song but I'm not surprised by those who don't. Of course the sonic structure is an 'out' if the content is lost on someone like u. (Plural). Mellow Prince does not = retirement homr. Good musicianship is timeless. There's multiple threads per day u can hop on to wax nostalgically or bash everything post 80s. Pick one

I don't need Prince to sing about incest with his sister, but something substantial would be nice.

And songs about masturbation are always great, of course.

Or you know, something insubstantial set to cracking music, like most of his old output.

this to me is indicitive of this site and the general ignorance about the evolution of music and artistry.

i was taken aback by black muse

its musical sophistication, its groove and its lyrical nature..its fucking incredible

my 12 year old son went and read about civil rights and slavery after listening and reading this "non substantial " work

"can I talk to you what I got to share is mighty good news a brand new day is dawning U and me know what to do so much work to do Black Muse we've been so abused Our mothers were good looking and our fathers were too if they don't stay together we can walk no better in these shoes"

Prince is still more rebellious (subtly) than most artists around today ...

will this track finally shut the people up who say he's lost it???

luvsexy4all said:

will this track finally shut the people up who say he's lost it???

i hope so. it SHOULD!

jonnylawson said:

"can I talk to you what I got to share is mighty good news a brand new day is dawning U and me know what to do so much work to do Black Muse we've been so abused Our mothers were good looking and our fathers were too if they don't stay together we can walk no better in these shoes"

rebellion is far from growing your hair long and shouting whats wrong with the world....

rebellion is far from rhyming like a 7 year old

datdude said:

datdude said:

It's some straight up juvenile, ahistorical ass peeps in here. Do you have ANY idea of the difficulty marriage and how helpful good examples for families and communities?! That's the POINT of that lyrical excerpt. Do u realize that black skin/features were (and still are) denigrated?! He covers huge topical ground in those few lines and the Porgy and Bess reference is intentional

What does the reference mean?

What's so clever about substituting 'rich' with 'good-looking (too)'?

Why would parents staying together only be good for black families?

Why would parents staying together at any cost be good?
Also note that Prince himself divorced twice.
It's easy to come up with platitudes.

The fact that a song touches on slavery and/or the position of black people

doesn't elevate the lyric.

it is a crap song...

I'm very surprised about the headline..

thedance said:

it is a crap song...

I'm very surprised about the headline..

agree.

we already got THE RAINBOW CHILDREN for that concept...

datdude said:

Pentacle said:

datdude said:

It's some straight up juvenile, ahistorical ass peeps in here. Do you have ANY idea of the difficulty marriage and how helpful good examples for families and communities?! That's the POINT of that lyrical excerpt. Do u realize that black skin/features were (and still are) denigrated?! He covers huge topical ground in those few lines and the Porgy and Bess reference is intentional

What does the reference mean?

What's so clever about substituting 'rich' with 'good-looking (too)'?

Why would parents staying together only be good for black families?

Why would parents staying together at any cost be good?
Also note that Prince himself divorced twice.
It's easy to come up with platitudes.

The fact that a song touches on slavery and/or the position of black people

doesn't elevate the lyric.

wow, thanks for your cnn news headline about prince being twice divorced. he must have tweeted you directly. that fact doess not mean its something that he doesn't regret or has affected his view of how families endure difficult times or if he views his marriage as "different" (not the best case in point, given all the celebrity extras) and not reflective of the larger community he wants to inspire. clearly families staying together is good for ALL families WHEN they're healthy marriages (if THAT'S not apparent then....SMH). the lyric struck me as poignant, reflective and even vulnerable (in light of his divorces) if its so easy to come up with "platitudes" that inspire, then why the contemporary dearth that fits THIS context. AND for the record he can visit the subject matter as often as he wants/needs. mofos kill me trying to dictate someone else's artistry. i get it you hate the song. lots of yous. everyone one does not. what's crap to you is not universally so. keep it moving already

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Pentacle said:

Bohemian67 said:

Pentacle said:

Checked out New Model army on youtube. Urgh. "Puking smilie". Typical rockers like Van Halen, Rolling Stones, Aerosmith etc whom I've never liked. Ugly White men with long hair. Little soul, no R&B, too hard, too noisy. They sounded awful too too generic

They are nothing like Van Halen or Aerosmith; they ARE Stones influences (whose music is very different from VH and Aerosmith); 'generic' - that is actually the first time in history this label has been put on them.

Lucky for you they'll be in the Amsterdam Melkweg around Christmas, like every year. I'll be seeing you there. I'm one of the ugly white men in the audience, but beauty is on the inside, right?

But back on topic: What happened to you, Prince? Your ass used to be beautiful.

.

If you ran a survey amongst 100 classical music respondents, soul or R&B fanatics etc or specific genre lovers, I'm sure you'd hear the word generic a lot more often. The culture surrounding rock bands, rap artists and commercial pop have never attracted me so I won't be in the Melkweg.

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Is beauty really on the inside Pentacle, or is beauty in the eye (or ear) of the beholder?

.

Before December though, be sure to take a visit to the Scheepvaartsmuseum to see the east section on Slavery, based on Henk den Heijer's research book with collaborating authors. The exhibition is called The Dutch Black Page of history and explains how 600 thousand slaves were bought and sold, taken over the Atlantic in the 17th and 18th century. Aspha Bijnaar shows what it was like for children to live in slavery. Scholarly research pyschologists, link this early fragmentation of families being sold and torn apart to modern day issues their culture stiill suffer from. Having your roots ripped away from you is not exactly pleasant now, is it?

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You might not like Black Muse, that's fine. You should though be able to place yourself in someone else's 'shoes' and understand why others do if you are capable of any human empathy, even if you are not that familiar with the subject behind the lyrics. Be nice Pentacle. I know you can do it.

MIRvmn said:

It's such a great song with real musicians unlike the crap on Phase 1, the whole album sounds like it was mixed on Josh laptop with some music program Phase 2 sounds like a real Prince album

Phase2 =

Most boring album ever...

anyone who's calling black muse a top 10 of all time... and trying to use racial factoring about the song as a way to defend it as "musical and lyrical sophistication".. are just as ignorant as the people that only want to hear prince's music from the 80's...

as a top 10 song...

i can list 10 songs right off the top of my head that DESERVE to b in prince's top 10... and black muse doesn't even make the top 100.

datdude said:

wow, thanks for your cnn news headline about prince being twice divorced. he must have tweeted you directly. that fact doess not mean its something that he doesn't regret or has affected his view of how families endure difficult times or if he views his marriage as "different" (not the best case in point, given all the celebrity extras) and not reflective of the larger community he wants to inspire. clearly families staying together is good for ALL families WHEN they're healthy marriages (if THAT'S not apparent then....SMH). the lyric struck me as poignant, reflective and even vulnerable (in light of his divorces) if its so easy to come up with "platitudes" that inspire, then why the contemporary dearth that fits THIS context. AND for the record he can visit the subject matter as often as he wants/needs. mofos kill me trying to dictate someone else's artistry. i get it you hate the song. lots of yous. everyone one does not. what's crap to you is not universally so. keep it moving already

[Edited 4/13/16 7:30am]

Sure, he can visit this topic (which exactly) all he wants, and with even worse lyrics.

Just don't expect me to take it seriously.

Bohemian67 said:

Pentacle said:

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Before December though, be sure to take a visit to the Scheepvaartsmuseum to see the east section on Slavery, based on Henk den Heijer's research book with collaborating authors. The exhibition is called The Dutch Black Page of history and explains how 600 thousand slaves were bought and sold, taken over the Atlantic in the 17th and 18th century. Aspha Bijnaar shows what it was like for children to live in slavery. Scholarly research pyschologists, link this early fragmentation of families being sold and torn apart to modern day issues their culture stiill suffer from. Having your roots ripped away from you is not exactly pleasant now, is it?

I obviously know about slavery but who knows, I might do that. But again: it won't turn the song into a masterpiece.

And again: generic - no. Try pigeonholing a band which worked both with Tom Jones and Sepultura.

Look, I'm not a hater of this song. I like it a little bit. But what really annoys me about it is that when I think of it, it's mostly just singing women harmonizing. I think, for me, that brings it out of my sphere of attention and praise because Prince is sort of in the background. Lately he has been doing that so much... getting women to sing his songs... Shelby, etc. At least Rosie was a unique voice, and was limited to a line or two. I'm a singer, and I can harmonize to P songs myself... I don't need them to sing it for him...you know what I mean? It's annoying and unlistenable now

feeluupp said:

anyone who's calling black muse a top 10 of all time... and trying to use racial factoring about the song as a way to defend it as "musical and lyrical sophistication".. are just as ignorant as the people that only want to hear prince's music from the 80's...

as a top 10 song...

i can list 10 songs right off the top of my head that DESERVE to b in prince's top 10... and black muse doesn't even make the top 100.

my OP was NOT deceptive. the word MY is there, plain as day. so this is true FOR ME. I enjoy the song THAT MUCH. again fine if you do not. nothing is wrong with my ears. do you think YOUR top 10 would be universally agreed upon. again, keep it moving!

datdude said:

feeluupp said:

anyone who's calling black muse a top 10 of all time... and trying to use racial factoring about the song as a way to defend it as "musical and lyrical sophistication".. are just as ignorant as the people that only want to hear prince's music from the 80's...

as a top 10 song...

i can list 10 songs right off the top of my head that DESERVE to b in prince's top 10... and black muse doesn't even make the top 100.

my OP was NOT deceptive. the word MY is there, plain as day. so this is true FOR ME. I enjoy the song THAT MUCH. again fine if you do not. nothing is wrong with my ears. do you think YOUR top 10 would be universally agreed upon. again, keep it moving!

exactly. it's yours... its true to you... so stop making it sound like the gospel truth and making it sound like it's the best thing since if i was ur girlfriend.

thedance said:

MIRvmn said:

thedance said:

Phase2 =

Most boring album ever...

Phase 1 = [Edited 4/13/16 13:05pm]

phase 1 is not a "GOOD" ALBUM at all im my opinion of course...

how ever the last half of PHASE 1 packs more energy than all of PHASE 2 combined... in my opinion, once again...

Black Muse is a brilliant and sophisticated song that works in every way. It's up there for me too. Aside from the ill-fitted Screwdriver Phase 2 is a regal affair.