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Thread started 04/05/16 12:05pm

tintin

For You & Prince to be reissued on vinyl in April & May

According to the folks at Super Deluxe Edition:

"Despite various denials and no official announcement, it does appear as if Prince‘s 1978 debut For You is being reissued on vinyl LP later this month.

Although his commercial breakthrough came with his second self-titled album, For You introduced the world to the musician and songwriter’s exceptional talents with the purple one producing, and playing all instruments on the record as well as writing all the songs – although first single Soft and Wet is a co-write with Prince’s early mentor and champion, Chris Moon.

There is no word on whether the audio has been remastered by Prince, or anyone else, but almost two years to the day since Warners announced a partnership that would “see the release of long-awaited, previously unheard material” this is perhaps the first tentative step towards a reissue campaign. Or maybe it’s not.

For You will be released on vinyl LP on 26 April 2016. Follow-up Prince looks slated for a vinyl release in late May, too."

http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/prince-for-you-vinyl-reissue/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+superdeluxeedition+%28Superdeluxeedition%29

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Reply #1 posted 04/05/16 12:34pm

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thanks, tintin.. cool


if its on 180 grams deluxe vinyls, then I will buy them all.....

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Reply #2 posted 04/05/16 12:42pm

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bored

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Reply #3 posted 04/05/16 12:49pm

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thedance said:



if its on 180 grams deluxe vinyls, then I will buy them all.....

Apparently there is no real evidence that 180g vinyl is any better than the standard 140g.

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Reply #4 posted 04/05/16 12:54pm

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blacknote said:

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Blacknote, come on now.. - no need to kill my enthusiasm.. biggrin

those 2 are great albums, ok of course I own them already on vinyl.. just the normal 140 grams...

180 grams would be somthing different, I love deluxe vinyls, I would gladly spend some money on those.

and imagine Parade and Sign "O" The Times deluxe re-releases next, in case these 2 mentioned above are selling good..?

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Reply #5 posted 04/05/16 12:58pm

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If this happens I'll eat my shoes.

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Reply #6 posted 04/05/16 1:06pm

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thedance said:

blacknote said:

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Blacknote, come on now.. - no need to kill my enthusiasm.. biggrin

those 2 are great albums, ok of course I own them already on vinyl.. just the normal 140 grams...

180 grams would be somthing different, I love deluxe vinyls, I would gladly spend some money on those.

and imagine Parade and Sign "O" The Times deluxe re-releases next, in case these 2 mentioned above are selling good..?

Please excuse my boredom but this does not excite me. If it were Parade or SOTT, I might be intrigued. But this is not what I want.

Rock on, Dance. You're certainly entitled to it.

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Reply #7 posted 04/05/16 1:10pm

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TheDigitalGardener said:

thedance said:



if its on 180 grams deluxe vinyls, then I will buy them all.....

Apparently there is no real evidence that 180g vinyl is any better than the standard 140g.

ok DigitalGardener..... you may be right, but I love buying them favorites of mine rereleased..

I already have these by Prince:

Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999 & Purple Rain, I think these were re-released in 2010-11/ some years ago...?

Imo 180 grams still feels a lot better.. playing them, handeling them.. is cool, they are actually a lot heavier... And they never gets "skewed" like 140 grams tends to be if exposed to heat or sunlight or if they are kept several years in the factory-seal.

I like deluxe, am I alone?

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Reply #8 posted 04/05/16 1:20pm

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thedance said:


I like deluxe, am I alone?

For me, deluxe requires more than just the original tracks with better sound quality. Give me something new with the original package.

[Edited 4/5/16 13:20pm]

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Reply #9 posted 04/05/16 1:49pm

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No Agreement from Prince it seems for these reissues?
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Reply #10 posted 04/05/16 3:14pm

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I don't know why the article is framing this as some kind of unprecedented move given that vinyl reissues of these albums have occurred previously, seems a little strange, maybe the author is unaware of the previous release.
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Reply #11 posted 04/05/16 3:42pm

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thedance said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

Apparently there is no real evidence that 180g vinyl is any better than the standard 140g.



Imo 180 grams still feels a lot better.

I agree.

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Reply #12 posted 04/05/16 3:43pm

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RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

I don't know why the article is framing this as some kind of unprecedented move given that vinyl reissues of these albums have occurred previously, seems a little strange, maybe the author is unaware of the previous release.

wishful thinking they'll be something else!!!

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Reply #13 posted 04/05/16 4:19pm

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A few of questions for the group:

  1. Do you prefer 180gram because it's a thicker record? Meaning, do you think it lasts longer, is more sturdy, or??? (The sound quality always seems to be up for debate).
  2. Are these simple reissues, or have they been remastered.
  3. Is a reissue on 180 gram indicative of a remaster?
  4. Because if not, what are the pluses of the 180?

(I guess that sorta points back to the first question.)

Overall, what is the plus of simply buying a 180gram over any of our current original issues of an album?

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #14 posted 04/07/16 1:14pm

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Just curious What's the purpose of remastered/Reissued albums? I'd be more interested in tracks that didn't make the For You album.
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Reply #15 posted 04/07/16 7:01pm

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daingermouz2020 said:

Just curious What's the purpose of remastered/Reissued albums? I'd be more interested in tracks that didn't make the For You album.

Remastered is just that. It's usually somewhat cleaned up with sound but the actual mixes aren't changed. Everything through Lovesexy could use a remaster.

Reissued is just a way to get some mo' $$$.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #16 posted 04/08/16 8:17am

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TrivialPursuit said:

daingermouz2020 said:

Just curious What's the purpose of remastered/Reissued albums? I'd be more interested in tracks that didn't make the For You album.

Remastered is just that. It's usually somewhat cleaned up with sound but the actual mixes aren't changed. Everything through Lovesexy could use a remaster.

Reissued is just a way to get some mo' $$$.

I don't think the vinyl records sound too bad. He didn't care too much about sound, but atleast it sounds alot better than his digital releases imo.

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Reply #17 posted 04/08/16 8:49am

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Replica said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Remastered is just that. It's usually somewhat cleaned up with sound but the actual mixes aren't changed. Everything through Lovesexy could use a remaster.

Reissued is just a way to get some mo' $$$.

I don't think the vinyl records sound too bad. He didn't care too much about sound, but atleast it sounds alot better than his digital releases imo.

I agree. The CD releases have no clean up on them, or any care given to them. They're just pressed onto a different format, which means all the hiss, and whatever else is now digital. At least, with vinyl, there's that great mid-level warmth that's genuine, not copied.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #18 posted 04/10/16 7:41am

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Reply #19 posted 04/10/16 9:14am

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getxxxx said:

Just one person's opinion but it seems that two years after an "agreement" was made, P is still in negotiation mode. nutty

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Reply #20 posted 04/10/16 9:31am

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^ Didn't Prince once say "free the music". question

I was expecting another "strategy" from him then....

he's a strange fellow, holding the music back.. not allowing (being against) re-issues, re-masters....

why is he so greedy.... his "studio music" career is over now it seems - why can't he recognize that..


all he cares about is how much he is getting in the bank.. so material...

he cares shit about us (his "devoted fans" - me I'm a fan since 83)...

he is sad, very greedy, and so strange, imo...... his goal is $$$$$$$$$$$$$, - not to make us h.a.p.p.y...... whatever,



Free the music my ass... mad sad

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Reply #21 posted 04/10/16 9:46am

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^My concern is at some point WB is going to declare that "enough is enough" and then the real drama starts.....legally. Or, P will get tired of sitting on master tapes he can't profit from and start seeking other means of distribution.....despite previous "agreements".

Either way, he'll possibly be a 60 year old artist (potentially on the verge of retirement) locked in another "war" against his former label. I sincerely do not want this for P. Oh, well.....

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thedance said:

^ Didn't Prince once say "free the music". question

I was expecting another "strategy" from him then....

he's a strange fellow, holding the music back.. not allowing (being against) re-issues, re-masters....

why is he so greedy.... his "studio music" career is over now it seems - why can't he recognize that..


all he cares about is how much he is getting in the bank.. so material...

he cares shit about us (his "devoted fans" - me I'm a fan since 83)...

he is sad, very greedy, and so strange, imo..... his goal is $$$$$, - not to make us h.a.p.p.y..... whatever,



Free the music my ass... mad sad


Your opinions doesn't make any sense. Why is he greedy? Because he is taking control of what he owns? So many other people are like mosquitoes trying to squeeze out some money from his catalogue.
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Replica said:


Your opinions doesn't make any sense. Why is he greedy? Because he is taking control of what he owns? So many other people are like mosquitoes trying to squeeze out some money from his catalogue.

Ok. let's review some of what's happened over the past two years since this "agreement" was announced (if I've missed something, please feel free to add):

1. WB transfers ownership of the masters to P while gaining exclusive license to a remaster's program.

2. WB releases two his albums. One of those albums sat on the shelf for two years while P hunted for an "acceptable" distribution deal.

It seems clear that whatever was discussed and agreed to at the time was good enough for P, hence the press release and above steps WB has taken. Fast forward two years and now P will not authorize the remasters because the cut is not acceptable to him.

Question for everyone:

If you owned P's multi-million dollar music catalog and made an agreement to transfer ownership to him with the promise of a collaborative effort to develop (with his input, of course) and distribute the remastered albums while releasing two of his albums, would you allow him to stonewall the project in perpetuity or potentially walk away from the deal without receiving any return on your investment?

I pose this question to not make a point. I sincerely want to understand his way of thinking after what has been provided so far by WB.

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Reply #24 posted 04/10/16 12:04pm

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blacknote said:



Replica said:



Your opinions doesn't make any sense. Why is he greedy? Because he is taking control of what he owns? So many other people are like mosquitoes trying to squeeze out some money from his catalogue.


Ok. let's review some of what's happened over the past two years since this "agreement" was announced (if I've missed something, please feel free to add):



1. WB transfers ownership of the masters to P while gaining exclusive license to a remaster's program.


2. WB releases two his albums. One of those albums sat on the shelf for two years while P hunted for an "acceptable" distribution deal.



It seems clear that whatever was discussed and agreed to at the time was good enough for P, hence the press release and above steps WB has taken. Fast forward two years and now P will not authorize the remasters because the cut is not acceptable to him.



Question for everyone:



If you owned P's multi-million dollar music catalog and made an agreement to transfer ownership to him with the promise of a collaborative effort to develop (with his input, of course) and distribute the remastered albums while releasing two of his albums, would you allow him to stonewall the project in perpetuity or potentially walk away from the deal without receiving any return on your investment?



I pose this question to not make a point. I sincerely want to understand his way of thinking after what has been provided so far by WB.




Record companies have stepped on so many toes for so many years, that I really don't think it's weird for a powerful artist like Prince to show some muscle. Making stuff more difficult for record companies, like they've been screewing over their artists for so many decades. This is also why I think he was right by choosing Tidal as well. Spotify pays less to artists, and spends tons more on record companies, for them to make their albums available on the streaming service. This is why Tidal has less major releases to choose from.
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Reply #25 posted 04/10/16 12:54pm

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ANY artist in any medium has every right to put a Dollar Figure on their art they feel is right.

Doesn't matter if it's a painter, or a folk artist at a market, or Prince with his music.

We hardcore fans want product, so of course our viewpoint is different. "Release the damn music!".

My question to Prince is, tho: Shouldn't you rethink your asking price, since your art doesn't sell? You got lots of supply but little demand.
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Record companies have stepped on so many toes for so many years, that I really don't think it's weird for a powerful artist like Prince to show some muscle. Making stuff more difficult for record companies, like they've been screewing over their artists for so many decades. This is also why I think he was right by choosing Tidal as well. Spotify pays less to artists, and spends tons more on record companies, for them to make their albums available on the streaming service. This is why Tidal has less major releases to choose from.

Ok. "Industry rule#4080: Record company people are shady." I agree.

As it pertains to post-slave Prince, I'd like to believe that his attorney's made sure that once they walked away from the table...two years ago...Prince was mostly satisfied, albeit temporarily, with the "copyright numbers". Or was that P agreeing to something as long as "reversion of rights to master recordings" was put on paper?

What has happened in two years that P is unsatisfied now and why would he expect WB to renegotiate after they agreed to the transfer of ownership and released two of his albums? If that's what is taking place. Just trying to understand here.

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Reply #27 posted 04/10/16 5:47pm

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warning2all said:

ANY artist in any medium has every right to put a Dollar Figure on their art they feel is right. Doesn't matter if it's a painter, or a folk artist at a market, or Prince with his music. We hardcore fans want product, so of course our viewpoint is different. "Release the damn music!". My question to Prince is, tho: Shouldn't you rethink your asking price, since your art doesn't sell? You got lots of supply but little demand.

and that's the problem right there: Prince over-values his own music.He's not realistic.That's why we won't see proper remasters.They would have to hand Prince a check for $100 million (lol) at a time when remasters don't even sell alot of copies.

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Reply #28 posted 04/10/16 5:49pm

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but I'm gonna buy these vinyl remasters since it's pretty obvious that we'll never see CD remasters.

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Reply #29 posted 04/11/16 12:43am

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no record company i the right mind, is willing to pay Prince big money, when he is selling maybe 10,000 copies of an album...


Prince's demands for money are /seems to be unrealistic high, and thats why we will never get reissues or remasters...

Is he greedy..? hell yes he is...... sad.... he doesnt care only about his own wealth...

BIG money is his priority number 1.... sad

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