I agree.
It's not delusional as more as it is outdated... some members saying it's his decisions blah blah... can c they just old. they outdated. most of his fans r middle aged as well, they don't even understand the concept of social media and the exposure it has.
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I agree with this to an extent. Prince is limiting his music, videos, and brand for a cost. This new generation does not have access to his classics, music or videos. He is not accessible. Thus, that does have an impact on his legacy if generations are not exposed to his legendary music. On that front, he most definitly can control. He is hurting his legacy but not making his brand and music accessible. | |
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Some interesting points. The two things I will sya is that firstly, as mentioned, Prince has had a huge amount of success, money and awards already throughout his career. | |
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Yes, Prince suffers a cost today in terms of sales right now but the music will not just go poof and disappear due to this temporary neglect of people's easy access of what he's already put out for consumption. So the youth are deprived--can't view or rip a video from Youtube--of their Prince? I don't feel this is the case. We all know that people are going to find the musical heroes that exist within their own generation since that is simply the way it goes, one old, brilliant fogey's legacy concerned, or no. Legacy is not Prince's concern. It is a historian's concern, and one for those who maintain to profit from the legacy-making. And I don't understand what the big deal is for people to fret over "Prince's legacy" anyway, to be honest. I would rather we place more concern toward funding schools for the arts, and music education programs in our schools in general. But that's just me and my own utopian idea. And furthermore, if Prince's music is really all that great for everybody to be sweating so much, people need to go the library, for crying out loud, and listen to his stuff on loan! Or read a music transcript. They'd get all the education they'd need.
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So Prince's sales are down today, arguably due to a change in the quality of his tunesmithing, songwriting, or because of his music and images' inaccessibility on internet music/video services. Of course, fans forever want more product and can pine about obtaining the next new box set, remastered album, or HD concert video. The music/entertainment conglomerate that Prince is now working with wants to see this too, obviously. Sometimes I think that corporate reps are on the Org regularly trumpeting the statement to "release the remasters." You see the same names doing so in these threads all the time, but even super-fans even have other things to do with their time and interest, so it that is what it looks like to me. Regardless, what is happening right now while the Prince product remains scarce is of great value to Prince for the future of his ability to reap better profit from his labors, for whatever remains left of his time. What would you do if you felt that a situation could be improved? You'd do your darndest to make it better, so I can respect his current actions. Furthermore, these efforts could translate to better deals for other acts to earn better shares from sales and through intellectual property ownership in the music biz. Warner Bro.'s ain't gonna let any potential revenue slip through their hands--no way on Earth! But they can do better to support the talent that feeds their product machine and turn the "record plantation" into a more evenly-matched relationship with those responsible for making the music. | |
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... 2 b honest it's a mixture of both. as a fan, i'm still very appreciative that he is putting out music, and we've gotten 4 albums in less than 2 years...
quality wise, do i think there has been anything special in the last 15 years of his catalouge... honestly... no. but he can still sell out arenas on short notice. so his musicanship and as performing artist is never in question...
however do i think his lack of "exposure" on the everchanging "digital age" has affected his sales in music... absolutely.
when you can't find PRINCE on YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK or SPOTIFY... in an age where digital access is KEY for current exposure and relevance in some way... it's very daunting that a legend, musical genius, and gift from GOD is not more accessabille for a day and age of technology as we are currently in.
it's real sad that a younger fan can search for his concerts on youtube, or incredible videos that made him iconic like WHEN DOVES CRY, LITTLE RED CORVETTE, etc... yes his stuff is still out there in various other "lesser known" sites... but the fact he is probably the most strict artist with filteration of his catalouge... it's very sad, especially for the new fans.
i read other members giving a list saying what youtube videos are still up... or how they can go buy the vinyls or cd's... that's not the point... it clearly shows how outdated and irrelevant to the current generation and the use of social media... a comment like that just basically shows the middle aged PRINCE fan defending the "artists rights" rather than the pleasure of exposure to spread his gift and talent of PRINCE music, which we all have a common interest in. | |
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What's really going on here is that the Internet took Prince by surprise.It's something that's become bigger and more powerful than any of us ever expected.Prince is a notorious control freak and this is something that even he can't really control,lol.Youtube is this generation's MTV but the difference is,the listener can choose what he/she wants to see and when they see it.I truly believe that's the *real* reason why Prince is against Youtube.It's not the money (he's already a multi-millionaire anyway),it's the lack of control that he has over it.Just my opinion.
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Well, I'll just say that mine are the ramblings of a concerned music fan--artists getting paid matters. If this were a big source of your own livelihood you would agree! It doesn' even have to be about Prince. It could be about my favorite obscure dubstep dj creating the best scene possible. But Prince is not trying to nurture a small cottage enterprise--he's looking to impact the major labels--yes, the establishment of his origin, you've nicely observed. Anyway, people who want to hear Prince are going to hear him, regarless of what what's up on Youtube--most can agree with that! So we're talking about issue of making the media accessable for easy, mass consumption. That case is not the concern of the hour for the fogey artist in question, I'm afraid to say. > Some like to rally against this situation. I'd say to e-mail, tweet, Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram, Tumblr, Vine, etc. your favorite artist's record company peeps today if yours is signed to one (Warner Brothers for Prince). Ask them to find a way to make the business terms better to allow the music to be published. In the meanwhile, people will hit up all the torrents out there. The record companies will continue to lose potential revenue. Maybe once a good deal gets done Mr. Prince will be easier on the social media networks. Probably not, because he likes his earnings and could set up his own direct "Sign 'O the Times" media access setup, beyond what we have in the present subscription TIDAL sevice. I think an indepenent site would work best for him as far as internet access & his revenue interests are concerned. That'd probably be better than just giving it away to the people who want to be pleased by the man's entertainment. What do you think? | |
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i don't think it took him by "surprise"... remember he was one of the first artists as well as David Bowie who actually took to the internet to distribute their music in the mid 90's... | |
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True,but I really mean is....it wasn't exactly what he thought it would be.I recall all of those interviews in the 90s where he gleefully predicted that record companies would fade away and artists would be able to distribute their music on the Internet with no middle man.Sounds simple enough,right? Well it certainly hasn't turned out that way.He's now back on Warners and has utilized record companies to distribute his music.The "freedom" and "control" he spoke about in the 90s didn't really happen,at least not the way he planned.That's why,these days,he makes comments like "the Internet is dead".If he can't control something 100%,he's automatically against it. | |
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"The Internet is dead" was Prince's way to describe the inability of musicans to profit from it. Some markets certainly profit more than others on Internet sales. But figures of the pay to musicians shows their small cash receipts, and artists will agree that even with ther own vast Internet exposure they must continue to hustle and play shows on the concert circuit to gather some real currency to eat and afford more studio time for the next recording project. Sure, Prince is a control freak--it his his blessing and curse, I guess. He does have some concern about not having the older "wild Prince"--that most of us love, BTW--showcased in public, but it is just that. To keep that "wild and loose" Prince for your private collection and off the Internet. His music today is still pretty fonky, he can croon, rock out, do a jazz-lite workout, and be as sensual as he's ever been in his new stuff, so I continue to listen to it. I think that although his strict stance toward managing has something to do with image control it also has much to do with managing the biz--cuz he still ain't too far gone to forget about all of that! Production takes cash! He's got many staff and bandmembers to pay with all of what's going on in Prince World. Distribution is a very important part of Prince's utilization of the major labels--they posess a good facility to run that part of the busniess side This and profit-share are the issues on the table in his dealings with these big companies--to have some better control of these things, I think, is all right. | |
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That's how you can have one arm issuing takedown notices and the other arm releasing "stolen" demos. Prince didn't even realize how Groovy Potential was released before HNR Phase 2. He thought they put it up on Soundcloud for free and pulled it down shortly after. [Edited 3/28/16 5:30am] | |
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I think this is the article to which you refer. https://www.linkedin.com/...tt-goodman | |
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By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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Tell them: they'rs S-O-L! Listen to a 30-second sample on Amazon, and buy a Warner Brothers' best-of compilation. If they don't like it they can leave Prince alone. The end. Sheesh--everybody wants to be treated to a free download for their musical exploration. What we need to do is bring record stores back to the streets so people can have a FREE listen to a song without sticking it on their hard drive. > The musical revolution must be revised. [Edited 3/28/16 11:25am] | |
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Long live Tidal! A 30 second listen on ITunes or Amazon is ridiculous. But just read on the linkedin link that Spotify pays 14c per 1000 streams. That is just criminal basically. Only consolation in all this is that it's not only musicians who are getting screwed by these giants. It's ordinary people too with ordinary jobs. But for music industry revenue to drop to 7 billion, almost a third of what it was just shows how bad it is. Maybe the music industry needs Hackers like Anonymous who are on the artists' side. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Yes same in Australia we dont get everything - Planet Earth was not availalbe forever and same with 2010 - had to import from UK and that was expensive at the time and was charged ridiculous prices because of the rareness of them at the time. But not everyone can afford to do that. Thank you Prince for every note you left behind π | |
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James Blunt has revealed 'βI get paid Β£00.0004499368 per stream. Beers are on me! Cheers @Spotify,β http://musically.com/2015...royalties/ | |
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^^Knowing about these kind of dealings makes me feel sick. It looks like many of the streaming services are now the Record Companies 2.0. They can claim a decent part of their share of earnings due to administrative services, advertising and tech/facility overhead, and some profit margin, but when the people who supply the product they deliver to subscribers get only a meager fraction of the total earnings, that is just not right. Analysts need to go to these companies--Spotify, iTunes, Soundcloud, etc.--to break down the real costs of the companies' services and right the wrongs inflicted on the poor music creators. Pay these people. Otherwise this all looks like pimping--pay them enough to buy some groceries, then, "hit the streets, people! Make us some more tunes. We love you, though!" | |
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Well, this would have been nice to see: http://www.billboard.com/...wie-heroes | |
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- And if Prince put it as a download on Tidal would you buy it or would you wait until u could download it illegally? "Money for nothing and your chicks for free?" "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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STOP.POINTING OUT PRINCE'S FLAWS. It makes some people around here UNCOMFORTABLE.
I don't argue with people about my opinions. Scram. I said what I said. | |
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- PURPLEJEDI - You are probably one is a million. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Why are some of you so fixated on YouTube? And how you feel Prince owes you to have his music pirated there without his permission. Somehow most artists of any status have survived ages before YouTube. I'm sure Prince will be fine and he thanks you for his concern. Myopia is a form of self-centeredness who's treatment includes getting out more and realizing that everything is not just what's in front of you, but bigger than your face and your room and longer than the time till your next birthday. | |
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Did I say that? No. But thank you for putting words in my mouth.
YouTube is a resource that fills a void. Many of us would certainly welcome legitimately released, tangible product to add to our home library that we could purchase directly from the source in the highest quality & add to his coffers, but that is not forthcoming, & frankly, the Hits VHS is not exactly reason enough to hold onto a VCR.
Defending Prince at every turn is a bit laughable. As is failing to acknowledge the potential of YouTube. [Edited 4/1/16 4:57am] | |
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Your actually right on that! will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. | |
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Did MTV kick back any $ to Prince when they played his videos in the 80's & 90's? | |
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- Dear Little Purple Yoda, - The question was a legitimate question. - May I refer you to Prince's tweet today, which includes a link to the RIAA.com website, who announced via a blog that a Music Community Commission (comprised of nearly 400 individual artists, songwriters, managers, and music organizations), submitted Docket No. 2015-7 yesterday, to the U.S. Copyright Office Library of Congress. A quote iin the blog from CARY SHERMAN, Chairman and CEO, RIAA: βI donβt recall a time when the entire music community has united behind an issue like it has this one β speaking with a collective voice for reform of the DMCA..." (Digital Music Copyright Act). The joint brief was drafted by J. Rosenthal, Esq. Steven Metalitz, Esq. of Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp LLP in Washington DC. -
The submitted 100 page brief (pages 1-46 for your reading), outlines the facts, legal status, statistics of music industry financial losses, Google's failure to invest in software, costs for artists in policing Youtube to prevent their art being devoured by the 'I want it for free culture" in detail. Please let me know if you still feel the same way about Youtube's current potential. - Might I suggest that you look beyond the choppy surface waves of the ocean and instead, dive deep down to the ocean floor so that you expose your awareness to the real picture. - Yours sincerely, Bohemian67 [Edited 4/1/16 6:52am] [Edited 4/1/16 7:07am] [Edited 4/1/16 7:22am] "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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