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Reply #210 posted 03/20/16 5:24am

PURPLEIZED3121

my final word on this topic. I am genuinely excited, I have zero reason to doubt that it will not be released, i am confident that it will be a good mix of cryptic comments as well as a few interesting revelations, hopefully some never been seen before pics & for many of us it will be a great addition to our collections.

I am truly saddened that this announcement which in the context of Prince is huge & also I might add has a very credible team behind him has been met with such derision.

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Reply #211 posted 03/20/16 5:44am

NorthC

Sometimes you can't win. Especially when you're Prince on Prince.org. wink
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Reply #212 posted 03/20/16 5:56am

Bohemian67

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BartVanHemelen said:



jayspud said:




RosesRred said:



Prince said he's not a 'Yes, man'?--all the years in the business and his track record and this one particuliar guy is not a 'Yes-Man'?








I must admit I have never worked at a Company that didn't require Yes men. It was usually a case of saying do this and you saying yes. Why would anyone employ people who constantly refuse to carry out your wishes?

This is not a criticism of Prince but I never saw emplying 'Yes men' as anything strange.



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I just love your absurd B/W dichotomy. Employees aren't slaves who should execute orders, they need to have input. Not all companies are like Mickey D's. If Prince demands a camel in the middle of the night in Minneapolis in winter, you should be able to tell him he's a delusional fool, not go out and try to fulfil his wishes. The likes of W&L called him on his BS and we got great music. His current band members just kiss his arse and we get shite.




Opinions are like assholes Bart. We've all got one.
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Reply #213 posted 03/20/16 6:14am

BillieBalloon

KingSausage said:

BillieBalloon said:



What have you ever written?



And this is relevant....how?


Giving somebody the benefit of the doubt, especially when you yourself have little talent.
I'm not just talking about you but the negativity on this thread from the other keyboard warriors. If it comes out and it's bad them so be it...then say what you want, but right now it's just an announcement. I think people are being unfair..the proof is in
The pudding as they say.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
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Reply #214 posted 03/20/16 6:59am

snakesineveryc
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This is a fascinating topic, as much for the fan reaction as for the news itself. It is the first piece of truly uncharted territory in Prince's career arc in, what? 25 years? I'd say it is the first thing he has done since directing Graffiti Bridge (yes, he directed Under the Cherry Moon, but that was taking over a film on which someone else has already done professional pre-production, so it was very different than the all-in-in-my-own-facility-and-my-way quality of GB) for which we have absolutely no reference regarding what to expect.

Sure, there are all the things he has done over the years. 21 Nights on the book front, and everything from NPGMC and Crystal Ball to the HitnRun albums on the music/business side as points of reference, but not one of those things is a direct analog for this book. What will be the content? Presuming his co-author doesn't obliterate Prince's unique voice, what's his cadence like as an author? This is a genuinely fascinating prospect.

There's a lot of concern regarding what Prince will and will not say. I do not expect stories of Vanity's favorite positions, nor much in the way of real insight regarding his band dynamics. Many have said Prince has shown a pretty skewed view of those relationships, and they're not wrong. This is a guy who is clearly not the most socially gracious person the world has ever known. But for my money, that stuff is not the draw of his lifetime narrative - I already know all I need to about him personally.

But...just consider who he is. Uniquely productive. He has made so much music for so many years. He has created some truly spectacular pieces of pop craft. I cannot imagine he won't go into some detail about his ideas regarding creation and how to stay atop one's muse over the long haul. How grand and fascinating an opportunity is that for a longtime follower? There's nobody like him, and he has so many stories only he can tell. The personal stuff? Not holding my breath, nor trusting the source to be objective. But definitely interested in the professional. And you KNOW he's going to cover that.

I don't blame a single person for expecting this to be a whitewashed slab of crap, and that's if it ever comes out at all. Prince has instilled this lack of faith in his followers - the list of broken promises, disappointments and, yes, even lies, is long and frustrating.

But let's all keep in mind, that if this thing comes to market, and is even a little bit in the neighborhood of what it has the potential to be, it can be something amazing for longtime fans - a real gift.

If nothing else, it's the first thing from this guy in a generation for which it's arguable we have no idea whatsoever what to truly expect.
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Reply #215 posted 03/20/16 7:02am

jcurley

Of course it will be a vanity project but who cares, what isn't? He's going to get my mobey
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Reply #216 posted 03/20/16 7:06am

KCOOLMUZIQ

It's not a coincidence that prince's personal items are being auctioned off around the same period of the MEGA Memoir news...

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #217 posted 03/20/16 7:12am

KingSausage

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

it'll b a limited edition...




It will be. The sales won't justify a second printing.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Reply #218 posted 03/20/16 7:18am

KCOOLMUZIQ

KingSausage said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

it'll b a limited edition...

It will be. The sales won't justify a second printing.

rolleyes

Eye thought D'angelo was suppose to release his 4th album last year? While prince released 4 albums in 18 months.

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eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #219 posted 03/20/16 7:21am

KingSausage

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:



KingSausage said:


KCOOLMUZIQ said:

it'll b a limited edition...



It will be. The sales won't justify a second printing.

rolleyes



Wasn't D'angelo suppose to release his 4th album last year? While prince released 4 albums in 18 months.




I don't know. Maybe. I really liked 2 of the 4 albums Prince released, so it's been a great couple of years. Too bad this has nothing to do with Prince's MEGA memoir.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Reply #220 posted 03/20/16 7:29am

Pentacle

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

. How do you know as an absolute fact that he does not invite input from band members past & present.


"Hey guys, help me out: should I open the vault and share some wonderful

music with the world, thereby at the same time showing my musical development

and cementing my legacy once and for all.
I could add relevant photos, and have musicians and engineers provide extra

insight.

...Or should I write a memoir, dedicated 2 Jehovah, in an unconventional way?"

'Memoir! Memoir! Preach, brother!
Tell the young ones how you changed the internet
and how you fought for musicians' rights

and introduced new dances like the Horny Pony'

And thus it was

Stop the Prince Apologists ™
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Reply #221 posted 03/20/16 7:29am

snakesineveryc
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KingSausage said:


The sales won't justify a second printing.


Sadly, you're almost certainly correct. The book announcement forces the question (at least for the publisher who has to pay the advance) - how many people these days want to hear what Prince has to say? Relative to what the number would have been 20 years ago, it's tiny.

Factoring in what we know about Prince's philosophical shifts over the years - does anyone expect today's Prince will discuss the PMRC/"Darling Nikki" thing in a way as fascinating as he could have in 1995? - it is difficult to imagine the content Prince will be willing to provide will in any way position the book to break out to a wide audience.

Good news for those already interested, of course, is that if the book gets published at all, its appeal in the long term is immaterial.

One printing will be plenty.
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Reply #222 posted 03/20/16 8:10am

udo

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Who's this brother Dan that is mentioned?

Prince added that he was at work on the book with “my brother Dan” — the writer and editor Dan Piepenbring of the Paris Review.

[Edited 3/20/16 8:12am]

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #223 posted 03/20/16 8:15am

EmmaMcG

BartVanHemelen said:



EmmaMcG said:


AnnaSantana said:



Their entire mental fantasy is based upon the illusion that Prince can do no wrong. The thought of that illusion being shattered scares the hell out of them, because once that's gone...who are they?



There's only one person I've ever seen on the org that thinks Prince can do no wrong. I think most people on here accept that Prince is human and like all humans, makes mistakes. I certainly don't think the man is perfect, there are a lot of songs he's done that I'll gladly never listen to again, but likewise, there are songs which will stay with me forever. I'd imagine most people on here feel that way. Everyone has their own taste in music. As for Prince's personal life and business dealings, I'm not particularly interested. Sure, like everyone else here, I have my opinions on what I think Prince SHOULD do, but he's made it this far without our advice. I'm interested in this book because I hope he'll delve into the meaning behind some of his songs. Why he wrote them, what his inspirations are etc. I have my fears that he'll let the "unconventional" part take over and we'll be left with a glorified photo album with a few little anecdotes spread throughout. And if that does prove to be the case, then so what? You don't have to buy it. I'm sure some of us would like something like that, others, myself included, wouldn't, so we simply don't buy it. But the fact is, we don't know what form it's going to take yet so to automatically assume it's going to be shit, if it ever comes out, is just as bad as assuming it's going to be a MASTERPIECE.

.


Oh look, another fan who fails to ignore THE MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE. Here's an idea: go look up every publication Prince was involved in (books, magazines) and see if they're shite. Hint: some of them are mentioned here already. PrinceVault has a list. But for some reason you lot seem to think that we should ignore past performance and pretend all the previous shite he published (and his illiterate Twitter feed and his lying-my-ass-off interviews) aren't indications of the sort of thing we're gonna get.


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So now we have at least two issues: chances this is going to be actually published (already very slim considering his past performance and especially considering this invovles something a YEAR into the future) and chances this isn't going to suck (very slim considering his other written output).



Fails to ignore the mountain of evidence? I'm assuming you meant that I AM ignoring the "mountain of evidence" because if I FAILED to ignore it, that would mean that I am NOT ignoring it but the point you are trying to make is that I AM ignoring it, right?

Anyway, regarding what you think the new book will be like, I can see why you'd be apprehensive about it, given Prince's past of not delivering on promises or fulfilling contracts but that doesn't necessarily mean that he won't release this book. And if he does release it, just because he's been involved with books you didn't like in the past, that doesn't necessarily mean this one won't be good. I haven't read much Prince books because like I said, his personal life is of little interest to me so if this new autobiography doesn't come out, or is full of barely coherent ramblings, then I won't be too disappointed. How about we judge it when we know more about it?

You often raise some good points on here but your constant negativity about everything Prince does means you're opinions are overlooked by most people as "That's Bart being Bart". Nobody takes you seriously, which is a shame because I think you do possess a deep knowledge of Prince's music and are capable of bringing that into the conversation. Unfortunately, whereas you know a lot about Prince and his books, new music, tweeting habits etc, you don't like any of them. If you genuinely don't like anything Prince has done in the last 20 years, then why do you bother coming onto a Prince fan site? Spend time doing what you love, you'll feel better. smile 1
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Reply #224 posted 03/20/16 8:39am

XxAxX

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It was a dark and stormy night.....

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Reply #225 posted 03/20/16 9:00am

lwr001

jayspud said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

Oh look, another fan who fails to ignore THE MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE. Here's an idea: go look up every publication Prince was involved in (books, magazines) and see if they're shite. Hint: some of them are mentioned here already. PrinceVault has a list. But for some reason you lot seem to think that we should ignore past performance and pretend all the previous shite he published (and his illiterate Twitter feed and his lying-my-ass-off interviews) aren't indications of the sort of thing we're gonna get.

.

So now we have at least two issues: chances this is going to be actually published (already very slim considering his past performance and especially considering this invovles something a YEAR into the future) and chances this isn't going to suck (very slim considering his other written output).

1) Prince books have usually been visually stunning books but more towards poetical side.The 21 Nights book is glorious.

2) I am very sad to inform you that your Horse has passed on. beatdeadhorse

3) At this point you are becoming a bit like a boyfriend standing outside their ex's house hurling abuse at them whilst they leave for work, getting on wth their life. Do you have to like everything? No. Do you have to like even 10% of everything? NO. But, do you know what? I don't particuarly like for example Justin Bieber but what I don't do is go on Bieber websites all day, every day, endlessly having a go at anyone who likes his work.

and whateve was on those first 50 pages randon house must have lovesd to make him an offer he couldnt refuse

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Reply #226 posted 03/20/16 9:02am

lwr001

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

my final word on this topic. I am genuinely excited, I have zero reason to doubt that it will not be released, i am confident that it will be a good mix of cryptic comments as well as a few interesting revelations, hopefully some never been seen before pics & for many of us it will be a great addition to our collections.

I am truly saddened that this announcement which in the context of Prince is huge & also I might add has a very credible team behind him has been met with such derision.

derision only on here,,,,social meida ia ablaze with the news etc...much bogger audeince

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Reply #227 posted 03/20/16 9:18am

Bohemian67

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KingSausage said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

it'll b a limited edition...

It will be. The sales won't justify a second printing.

It's not about sales. It's a gift to fans.

-

Undertaking any autobiography, is a massive task. It's an inside look from the kitchen kleineworstje over a long period of many interesting creative years. I wonder how many pages your autobiography would fill and whether anything in there would be worth reading, or if anyone would even be interested in reading it.

"Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life -
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Reply #228 posted 03/20/16 9:21am

Bohemian67

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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

my final word on this topic. I am genuinely excited, I have zero reason to doubt that it will not be released, i am confident that it will be a good mix of cryptic comments as well as a few interesting revelations, hopefully some never been seen before pics & for many of us it will be a great addition to our collections.

I am truly saddened that this announcement which in the context of Prince is huge & also I might add has a very credible team behind him has been met with such derision.

-

I'd rather have more words than filler pictures. Content and insight. Google has enough pictures.

I would like to know if he needs silence to write when he gets an initial idea or does he throw it together from different memoirs and work on it while putting it to music.

"Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life -
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Reply #229 posted 03/20/16 9:22am

jayspud

snakesineverycolor said:

This is a fascinating topic, as much for the fan reaction as for the news itself. It is the first piece of truly uncharted territory in Prince's career arc in, what? 25 years? I'd say it is the first thing he has done since directing Graffiti Bridge (yes, he directed Under the Cherry Moon, but that was taking over a film on which someone else has already done professional pre-production, so it was very different than the all-in-in-my-own-facility-and-my-way quality of GB) for which we have absolutely no reference regarding what to expect. Sure, there are all the things he has done over the years. 21 Nights on the book front, and everything from NPGMC and Crystal Ball to the HitnRun albums on the music/business side as points of reference, but not one of those things is a direct analog for this book. What will be the content? Presuming his co-author doesn't obliterate Prince's unique voice, what's his cadence like as an author? This is a genuinely fascinating prospect. There's a lot of concern regarding what Prince will and will not say. I do not expect stories of Vanity's favorite positions, nor much in the way of real insight regarding his band dynamics. Many have said Prince has shown a pretty skewed view of those relationships, and they're not wrong. This is a guy who is clearly not the most socially gracious person the world has ever known. But for my money, that stuff is not the draw of his lifetime narrative - I already know all I need to about him personally. But...just consider who he is. Uniquely productive. He has made so much music for so many years. He has created some truly spectacular pieces of pop craft. cannot imagine he won't go into some detail about his ideas regarding creation and how to stay atop one's muse over the long haul. How grand and fascinating an opportunity is that for a longtime follower?I There's nobody like him, and he has so many stories only he can tell. The personal stuff? Not holding my breath, nor trusting the source to be objective. But definitely interested in the professional. And you KNOW he's going to cover that. I don't blame a single person for expecting this to be a whitewashed slab of crap, and that's if it ever comes out at all. Prince has instilled this lack of faith in his followers - the list of broken promises, disappointments and, yes, even lies, is long and frustrating. But let's all keep in mind, that if this thing comes to market, and is even a little bit in the neighborhood of what it has the potential to be, it can be something amazing for longtime fans - a real gift. If nothing else, it's the first thing from this guy in a generation for which it's arguable we have no idea whatsoever what to truly expect.

Really great and interesting post. I particularly agree with the " I cannot imagine he won't go into some detail about his ideas regarding creation and how to stay atop one's muse over the long haul. How grand and fascinating an opportunity is that for a longtime follower?".

I think that's a great point. How someone can keep themselves creatively motivated over several decades is worthy of exploration. Most people's creative period is relatively short. Prince is incredibly prolific in his creativity. The sheer effort and dedication that must take is something I would love to know more about.

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Reply #230 posted 03/20/16 9:23am

lwr001

sales wwill be ok,, randon house knows how to move books,,,further is he went on a book signing tour, it woudld be a wrap..i take this place thoughts with a grain,,, a ton of folks alao said thre was no way in hell he'd be a first ballot inductee to the rnrhof

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Reply #231 posted 03/20/16 9:34am

RJOrion

Blah Blah Blah...whine whine whine ...cry cry cry...what an ungrateful peasant...smh
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Reply #232 posted 03/20/16 9:34am

Bohemian67

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EmmaMcG said:

"That's Bart being Bart". Nobody takes you seriously, which is a shame because I think you do possess a deep knowledge of Prince's music and are capable of bringing that into the conversation. Unfortunately, whereas you know a lot about Prince and his books, new music, tweeting habits etc, you don't like any of them. If you genuinely don't like anything Prince has done in the last 20 years, then why do you bother coming onto a Prince fan site? Spend time doing what you love, you'll feel better. smile 1

Great post EmmaMcG.

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Exactly. His posts are predictable, thus boring and overly repetitve, containing one mood only.

-

If he'd bother to read 'Thinking Fast and Slow' he would gain some insight into his own thought process. As Daniel Kahneman so eloquently shows. "We are not the paragons of reason we assume ourselves to be". (Economist)

"Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life -
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Reply #233 posted 03/20/16 9:40am

KCOOLMUZIQ

Bohemian67 said:

KingSausage said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said: It will be. The sales won't justify a second printing.

It's not about sales. It's a gift to fans.

-

Undertaking any autobiography, is a massive task. It's an inside look from the kitchen kleineworstje over a long period of many interesting creative years. I wonder how many pages your autobiography would fill and whether anything in there would be worth reading, or if anyone would even be interested in reading it.

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eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #234 posted 03/20/16 9:48am

dodger

EmmaMcG said:

BartVanHemelen said:



EmmaMcG said:


AnnaSantana said:



Their entire mental fantasy is based upon the illusion that Prince can do no wrong. The thought of that illusion being shattered scares the hell out of them, because once that's gone...who are they?



There's only one person I've ever seen on the org that thinks Prince can do no wrong. I think most people on here accept that Prince is human and like all humans, makes mistakes. I certainly don't think the man is perfect, there are a lot of songs he's done that I'll gladly never listen to again, but likewise, there are songs which will stay with me forever. I'd imagine most people on here feel that way. Everyone has their own taste in music. As for Prince's personal life and business dealings, I'm not particularly interested. Sure, like everyone else here, I have my opinions on what I think Prince SHOULD do, but he's made it this far without our advice. I'm interested in this book because I hope he'll delve into the meaning behind some of his songs. Why he wrote them, what his inspirations are etc. I have my fears that he'll let the "unconventional" part take over and we'll be left with a glorified photo album with a few little anecdotes spread throughout. And if that does prove to be the case, then so what? You don't have to buy it. I'm sure some of us would like something like that, others, myself included, wouldn't, so we simply don't buy it. But the fact is, we don't know what form it's going to take yet so to automatically assume it's going to be shit, if it ever comes out, is just as bad as assuming it's going to be a MASTERPIECE.

.


Oh look, another fan who fails to ignore THE MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE. Here's an idea: go look up every publication Prince was involved in (books, magazines) and see if they're shite. Hint: some of them are mentioned here already. PrinceVault has a list. But for some reason you lot seem to think that we should ignore past performance and pretend all the previous shite he published (and his illiterate Twitter feed and his lying-my-ass-off interviews) aren't indications of the sort of thing we're gonna get.


.


So now we have at least two issues: chances this is going to be actually published (already very slim considering his past performance and especially considering this invovles something a YEAR into the future) and chances this isn't going to suck (very slim considering his other written output).



Fails to ignore the mountain of evidence? I'm assuming you meant that I AM ignoring the "mountain of evidence" because if I FAILED to ignore it, that would mean that I am NOT ignoring it but the point you are trying to make is that I AM ignoring it, right?

Anyway, regarding what you think the new book will be like, I can see why you'd be apprehensive about it, given Prince's past of not delivering on promises or fulfilling contracts but that doesn't necessarily mean that he won't release this book. And if he does release it, just because he's been involved with books you didn't like in the past, that doesn't necessarily mean this one won't be good. I haven't read much Prince books because like I said, his personal life is of little interest to me so if this new autobiography doesn't come out, or is full of barely coherent ramblings, then I won't be too disappointed. How about we judge it when we know more about it?

You often raise some good points on here but your constant negativity about everything Prince does means you're opinions are overlooked by most people as "That's Bart being Bart". Nobody takes you seriously, which is a shame because I think you do possess a deep knowledge of Prince's music and are capable of bringing that into the conversation. Unfortunately, whereas you know a lot about Prince and his books, new music, tweeting habits etc, you don't like any of them. If you genuinely don't like anything Prince has done in the last 20 years, then why do you bother coming onto a Prince fan site? Spend time doing what you love, you'll feel better. smile 1


Eminem's Stan comes to mind.
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Reply #235 posted 03/20/16 9:54am

docinwestchest
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If there is an audio version, who will read it?

(sorry if this has already been discussed)

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Reply #236 posted 03/20/16 9:58am

udo

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docinwestchester said:

If there is an audio version, who will read it?

(sorry if this has already been discussed)

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Where is the Swahili edition for my niece?

And where is the Dutch language edition for my brother?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #237 posted 03/20/16 10:01am

AnnaSantana

KingSausage said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

it'll b a limited edition...

It will be. The sales won't justify a second printing.

BWAAHAHAHAHA good one!!!!!!!!! lol falloff

HAHA KingSausage got you good hah! --------> Kcoolmuziq

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I don't argue with people about my opinions. Scram. I said what I said.
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Reply #238 posted 03/20/16 10:04am

AnnaSantana

Bohemian67 said:

KingSausage said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said: It will be. The sales won't justify a second printing.

It's not about sales. It's a gift to fans.

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BULLSHIT.

I don't argue with people about my opinions. Scram. I said what I said.
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Reply #239 posted 03/20/16 10:08am

AnnaSantana

Pentacle said:


Wow, all my remarks on this thread have been removed.

Luckily I saved them for my own future MEGA memoir.

Your replies weren't in lockstep with the Kcool Org gestapo. Do better next time.

lol

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