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[Edited 3/21/16 13:28pm]

mynameisnotsusan said:

Announcing a book with a working title The Beautiful Ones, and seeing him perform that song on the day Vanity passed and it so obviously being about her, he must clearly have been in a reflective frame of mind since then. I can imagine him having a fit of inspiration and punching out 50 pages pretty quickly - I don't know if I can see him sustaining enough interest to complete a substantial work.

And good luck to the editor! You're gonna need it

I'm actually more interested in Bart's review than the damn book itself.

at bonatec:

you are ridiculous, you read maybe 2 books about psychology and allowing yourself to make a remote diagnosis by a person you do not know personlly

BlackCandle said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

Announcing a book with a working title The Beautiful Ones, and seeing him perform that song on the day Vanity passed and it so obviously being about her, he must clearly have been in a reflective frame of mind since then. I can imagine him having a fit of inspiration and punching out 50 pages pretty quickly - I don't know if I can see him sustaining enough interest to complete a substantial work.

And good luck to the editor! You're gonna need it

Except we now know from the withdrawn Ebony Interview that he wrote it specifically for the Movie...

EvilAngel said:

I'm actually more interested in Bart's review than the damn book itself.

Bart fam alert

iZsaZsa said:

BlackCandle said:

babynoz said:

It's more likely that Prince's book will get released and hit #1 on the NYT Bestseller list than it is for some of these clowns to grow up and stop trying to live vicariously through a musician who doesn't know any of them from a can of paint!

Suddenly everybody's a psychic.

Not Psychics: It's what the bookies call FORM. You know: considering previous performance/behavior to predict a likely outcome. And I'm thinking that if the bookies were giving odds on this book being a belter, they wouldn't be very good. Feel free to wager & squander a small fortune based on you blind optimism, though...

Feel free to comprehend what's being said before commenting.

My point that went over your head is that the book has more of a chance of becoming a bestseller than some clowns on the org have of ever growing up. It's what adults call S.A.R.C.A.S.M.

Adults also realize that the success or lack therof of a complete stranger has no bearing on our lives therefore, no "blind optimism" is being expressed here.

Get it now?

Or perhaps I hit a nerve? Oh well....

[Edited 3/21/16 15:20pm]

BlackCandle said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

bonatoc said:

If you manage to find your usual Per Nilsen book, you quickly realize/remember that Prince just WORKED his entire life. Other activities seemed to be kept to a strict minimum, just to avoid to become a total sociopath.

Prince has a private existence with relationships and emotions, but I'm pretty sure he never really took the time for reflecting or digesting his own life events to the fullest. Where a normal person would have mourn Gregory's loss for at least a year, the guy was on TV shows with a big smile on and all he had to speak about is how he managed to get out of WB's big evil claws.

Prince thinks having a titanium work ethic is enough to get you through life, but we all know there's more to it. I think he just scratched the surface of things during most of his life.

You can't spend your days recording, rehearsing, giving shows the way he did, and still have time to dig deep into your emotions, least other's emotions. You think you do, but hey, here's a new gig, oh and I have my latest wardrobe extravaganza minions latest aberration to approve, and what if I put "bagel" in one of my songs?

The point is: What do you sing/write about when your life has become so detached from the life normal human beings live? Aren't you writing exclusively for yourself, deluding yourself into thinking that your point of view relates to the world?


OK, let's say you do. That, despite this frantic pace of life, you manage to find some time to think things over. You're still fucked: a post-Purple Rain existence brings in too much noise and pressure, and perverses human contacts (who can really keep his coolness in Prince's presence? What if you're in the close circle, or your paycheck depends on him?) that anything you'll end up writing about yourself or close ones will be a byproduct of this global, distorted view stardom brings.

Let's say you have an epiphany, and decide you're gonna quit your low narcissus ways: here comes your usual Larry Graham, feeding himself on the grief of your dead child or whatever that puts you temporarily in a fragile state. And since you don't know squat about the world, except maybe for record companies contracts and guitar pedals settings, you think this is it: real life is about ringing strangers door bells to sell them an idea of God. Which is only leaving a delusion for another.

W&L explained what slowly happened to Prince, going from the hometown boy who made it big with a not-so-little help from his friends, to someone who'd rather eat with the Thurn und Taxis instead of his band musicians.
On the outside, it looked like The Revolution was still a crew. In reality, his head had indeed inflated, big as a balloon.

I think it's Ceasar, or maybe some other king/emperor, who kept a man behind his throne, whose role was to repeat: "You're only a man, you're only a man".
Even if Prince had such a "No man" in his entourage, I 'm pretty sure the voice of Camille would pop out in his head and squeak: "Yeah, right".


What is great about Mötley Crüe or Keith Richards biographies, is that they're about rock'n'roll, sex, drugs, excess, the celebration of guys who became successful in spite of suicidal carreer paths (aiming for a rock star status isn't exactly something your mom and dad applause). And behind that, guys who got more than decent incomes whilst breaking every good manner and showing the finger to basically every institution.

These guys have anecdotes to tell, because they believe that life is ultimately about having fun with your friends. Prince seems to have fun only when he does impressions for his friends (Morris Day impressions, "Movie Star"...). So technically he hasn't fun WITH his friends, he has fun being the center of attention FOR his friends.
Ain't no way Prince is going to pop out some beers while fingering some groupies in the back of his tour bus wearing a two-weeks dirty pair of blue jeans.

The last grasp of real Rock'n'Roll attitude Prince showed the world seems to be the mike kicking at the Oscars ceremony, and that was 30 years ago. Oh, maybe his rendition of "Sister" during the Lovesexy Tour. Afer that, Prince became too concerned and aware of his world-star status, and that is precisely what brought him down: because he's not a faker (let's give him at least that), his egocentrism became so blatantly obvious that the public turned his back.


So when the great Love Symbol / Gold Experience era brought back larsens and Marshall amps pumped to 11, no one but die-hard fans witnessed the genius of let's say, "The Ride" in "The Sacrifice Of Victor", or "Poor Goo". An incalculable loss for music lovers, all over the world. A fat big waste of Prince's talent.
I know it, and I think Bart, Pentacle and other Purple Kool-Aid allergics know it, and that's a major cause of legitimate frustrations and rants, which famz don't get.
We're pissed off because his talent deserved more: more attention from the public, because culture and discernment are essential to a "Good Life", and less time spent writing songs "no one digs" but himself.

Who has the courage to look at "The Beautiful Experience" video today? The performances are still great, as they usually are, given the extraordinay musician Prince is, but all the nonsense?
It's fucking embarassing, to say the least. I cringed, witnessing my maverick hero, the ultimate outsider, slowly becoming a narcissistic freak. Every segue in this video makes you puke: Oh, I'm Symbol, I'm so mysterious, you can't help having wet dreams when you think about me.

From the cryptic phrases that don't mean shit, to the "Hey-Ma-look-I'm-in-every-shot" megalomania, it all pretty sums up the clear separation die-hards fans, not famz, had to make from now on between the musician and this egotistic, sad little man, prisoner of his own Xanadu.


I mean, even when I thought Musicology was a sane return to modesty, kind of "I'm nothing without a band", the jerk ruined the song "Cream" FOR LIFE.
I loved it when it was something sexy sung to a woman.
After he told repeatedly, to thousands of people, that "Cream" was written by looking at himself in the mirror, I can't listen to the damn song anymore. Way to go, Skipper.


Plus, he's been a control freak since ever, and all of sudden he'll letitgo and we'll have honest views about himself and all the fatal errors his ego did to his legacy? It ain't going to happen.


He said in the 1986 MTV interview that he wrote honestly about his life in his songs. Therefore, let's consider his songs the best autobiography we can get.


I don't need him to break the magic I feel when I listen to "Another Lonely Christmas" by reading that this song is in fact about a female version of himself, or that it's pure fiction. I'd rather, LIKE WITH BOOKS, stick to the images I get from it.

I don't need to know if he really married Susannah or not, I'd rather stick to "the steps of Versailles" and believe that he did.

And whether he grieved over Gregory's loss, no doubt. But I can't help to think about the Emancipation era and how the whole thing seemed not to matter to him. Do you think we're going to get a chapter about it?

I would have prefer the "LRC/Dirty Mind" being a single, once in a lifetime homage to Vanity. But then he does it at every concert. It's like Vanity's loss is less important than a good musical idea.

I ended up thinking, after reading and reading Prince's interviews nonsenses, empty innuendos, self-indulgencies year after year, that the ouput of the man matters much more than the man himself.


Sorry famz, but we are entitled to comment the book beforehand. And for an artist who claimed repeatedly that his songs speak more about his life than any given interview, we're allowed to consider with suspicion a fourthcoming 300 pages interview (if we ever get so many pages).

Famz, face the truth: We know our subject better than you. We do not allow Prince make fool of ourselves anymore, we know better by now.

Don't expect us to jump with joy after having being so low-considered by an artist we always defended no matter what lunacy he'd come up with. We are entitled to fear that the whole thing is going to look at best like the withdrawned Ebony interview, or the back cover of the Purple Rain LP: cryptic nonsenses revolving around his belly button.

[Edited 3/21/16 7:09am]

wow..did anyone take the time to read this? I think the gist is you feel let down/hurt by Prince & he has long stopped fulfilling your expectations. I think I do need to state the globally obvious..move on..do NOT waste any precious $ or time on someone you despise. I think I speak on behalf of many in respect of your accusations around him seemingly not caring about his sons death. To say that it is a low comment would not do it justice & how dare you sepculate on what was possibly the worst experience he & Mayte ever went through...people handle these matters in their own way however wrong or right you think the method is....you should be ashamed. I for one do not expect him to write about it..it's his choice if he does. There has been more than enough accounts of his state..moreso from Mayte & that is enough. Dude, hang your head in shame.

KingSausage said:

murph said:

U gotta turn it down, homie...The point is Prince IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ALL OF THE OTHER AGING ROCKERS/SOUL/POP ACTS...Keith Richards released a solo album and it went wood...Paul McCartney dropped a heavily hyped album with one of the biggest producers on the planet (Mark Ronson) and it debuted high and sank like a stone.....And this was with Paul Mac pushing the hell out of that album...When you r a veteran music act, record sales have little to do with outside projects....

Don't mix apples with oranges....Prince exclusively releasing albums on a streaming site like Tidal and not moving units in the same way he did with more recent projects like 3121 has nothing to do with whether or not fans or the public will buy his memoirs...

But the bigger question is this: Why should it matter TO YOU how commercially successful P is in 2016? One of the most mysterious figures in pop music just announced he's finally writing his memoirs...It could be great...Or it could be filled with cryptic Prince speak with photos of him eating marshmallows...

But shitting on it because u are foolishly equating album sales with whether or not his memoir will be a success makes little sense...And again...Respect....

The sales of his book don't matter to me. Just because I'm discussing it here doesn't mean it matters to me. A potential Prince memoir is one of the least important things in the world to me right now. So other veteran acts aren't selling well? Okay. I don't disagree with that. But there's still no reason to believe the public will pay money for his memoirs. We're not making a cross-comparison between Prince's music and memoir sales vs. Paul McCartney's music and memoir sales. Look, near the beginning of this long, miserable thread I said that I looked forward to reading the memoir because it could be an interesting glimpse of Prince's thinking just like Dylan's Chronicles Vol. 1. I'm no "hater." Just because other artists also have shitty album sales doesn't have any relevance to Prince's potential memoir sales.

But again...All of your sane, rationale views get undone because early on in this debate u said the book would most likely be a bust because P's album sales have proven that the public is not interested in him....Which in iteself is, pardon the phrase, silly....

What I'm doing is calling out your VERY flawed premise...IF Prince releases his memoirs, trust me, it will no doubt be on the New York Times best seller's list....And you know why? Because while the public may no longer be interested in listening to new Prince music, the man himself is still viewed as an intriguing figure....

I'm not talking about hardcore Prince fans. I'm talking about the random sports fans who gave the old man a standing ovation at a basketball game as he walked into 25,000 seat arena.

Sometimes we get trapped in that Org bubble. But here's a newsflash...Prince is a legend....

All this to say, if you think the book will never come out or if it will be shit, that's a discussion worth having...

But come on...lol...What u r going on about is on some other shit...

[Edited 3/21/16 17:07pm]

bonatoc said:

If you manage to find your usual Per Nilsen book, you quickly realize/remember that Prince just WORKED his entire life. Other activities seemed to be kept to a strict minimum, just to avoid to become a total sociopath.

Prince has a private existence with relationships and emotions, but I'm pretty sure he never really took the time for reflecting or digesting his own life events to the fullest. Where a normal person would have mourn Gregory's loss for at least a year, the guy was on TV shows with a big smile on and all he had to speak about is how he managed to get out of WB's big evil claws.

Prince thinks having a titanium work ethic is enough to get you through life, but we all know there's more to it. I think he just scratched the surface of things during most of his life.

You can't spend your days recording, rehearsing, giving shows the way he did, and still have time to dig deep into your emotions, least other's emotions. You think you do, but hey, here's a new gig, oh and I have my latest wardrobe extravaganza minions latest aberration to approve, and what if I put "bagel" in one of my songs?

The point is: What do you sing/write about when your life has become so detached from the life normal human beings live? Aren't you writing exclusively for yourself, deluding yourself into thinking that your point of view relates to the world?


OK, let's say you do. That, despite this frantic pace of life, you manage to find some time to think things over. You're still fucked: a post-Purple Rain existence brings in too much noise and pressure, and perverses human contacts (who can really keep his coolness in Prince's presence? What if you're in the close circle, or your paycheck depends on him?) that anything you'll end up writing about yourself or close ones will be a byproduct of this global, distorted view stardom brings.

Let's say you have an epiphany, and decide you're gonna quit your low narcissus ways: here comes your usual Larry Graham, feeding himself on the grief of your dead child or whatever that puts you temporarily in a fragile state. And since you don't know squat about the world, except maybe for record companies contracts and guitar pedals settings, you think this is it: real life is about ringing strangers door bells to sell them an idea of God. Which is only leaving a delusion for another.

W&L explained what slowly happened to Prince, going from the hometown boy who made it big with a not-so-little help from his friends, to someone who'd rather eat with the Thurn und Taxis instead of his band musicians.
On the outside, it looked like The Revolution was still a crew. In reality, his head had indeed inflated, big as a balloon.

I think it's Ceasar, or maybe some other king/emperor, who kept a man behind his throne, whose role was to repeat: "You're only a man, you're only a man".
Even if Prince had such a "No man" in his entourage, I 'm pretty sure the voice of Camille would pop out in his head and squeak: "Yeah, right".


What is great about Mötley Crüe or Keith Richards biographies, is that they're about rock'n'roll, sex, drugs, excess, the celebration of guys who became successful in spite of suicidal carreer paths (aiming for a rock star status isn't exactly something your mom and dad applause). And behind that, guys who got more than decent incomes whilst breaking every good manner and showing the finger to basically every institution.

These guys have anecdotes to tell, because they believe that life is ultimately about having fun with your friends. Prince seems to have fun only when he does impressions for his friends (Morris Day impressions, "Movie Star"...). So technically he hasn't fun WITH his friends, he has fun being the center of attention FOR his friends.
Ain't no way Prince is going to pop out some beers while fingering some groupies in the back of his tour bus wearing a two-weeks dirty pair of blue jeans.

The last grasp of real Rock'n'Roll attitude Prince showed the world seems to be the mike kicking at the Oscars ceremony, and that was 30 years ago. Oh, maybe his rendition of "Sister" during the Lovesexy Tour. Afer that, Prince became too concerned and aware of his world-star status, and that is precisely what brought him down: because he's not a faker (let's give him at least that), his egocentrism became so blatantly obvious that the public turned his back.


So when the great Love Symbol / Gold Experience era brought back larsens and Marshall amps pumped to 11, no one but die-hard fans witnessed the genius of let's say, "The Ride" in "The Sacrifice Of Victor", or "Poor Goo". An incalculable loss for music lovers, all over the world. A fat big waste of Prince's talent.
I know it, and I think Bart, Pentacle and other Purple Kool-Aid allergics know it, and that's a major cause of legitimate frustrations and rants, which famz don't get.
We're pissed off because his talent deserved more: more attention from the public, because culture and discernment are essential to a "Good Life", and less time spent writing songs "no one digs" but himself.

Who has the courage to look at "The Beautiful Experience" video today? The performances are still great, as they usually are, given the extraordinay musician Prince is, but all the nonsense?
It's fucking embarassing, to say the least. I cringed, witnessing my maverick hero, the ultimate outsider, slowly becoming a narcissistic freak. Every segue in this video makes you puke: Oh, I'm Symbol, I'm so mysterious, you can't help having wet dreams when you think about me.

From the cryptic phrases that don't mean shit, to the "Hey-Ma-look-I'm-in-every-shot" megalomania, it all pretty sums up the clear separation die-hards fans, not famz, had to make from now on between the musician and this egotistic, sad little man, prisoner of his own Xanadu.


I mean, even when I thought Musicology was a sane return to modesty, kind of "I'm nothing without a band", the jerk ruined the song "Cream" FOR LIFE.
I loved it when it was something sexy sung to a woman.
After he told repeatedly, to thousands of people, that "Cream" was written by looking at himself in the mirror, I can't listen to the damn song anymore. Way to go, Skipper.


Plus, he's been a control freak since ever, and all of sudden he'll letitgo and we'll have honest views about himself and all the fatal errors his ego did to his legacy? It ain't going to happen.


He said in the 1986 MTV interview that he wrote honestly about his life in his songs. Therefore, let's consider his songs the best autobiography we can get.


I don't need him to break the magic I feel when I listen to "Another Lonely Christmas" by reading that this song is in fact about a female version of himself, or that it's pure fiction. I'd rather, LIKE WITH BOOKS, stick to the images I get from it.

I don't need to know if he really married Susannah or not, I'd rather stick to "the steps of Versailles" and believe that he did.

And whether he grieved over Gregory's loss, no doubt. But I can't help to think about the Emancipation era and how the whole thing seemed not to matter to him. Do you think we're going to get a chapter about it?

I would have prefer the "LRC/Dirty Mind" being a single, once in a lifetime homage to Vanity. But then he does it at every concert. It's like Vanity's loss is less important than a good musical idea.

I ended up thinking, after reading and reading Prince's interviews nonsenses, empty innuendos, self-indulgencies year after year, that the ouput of the man matters much more than the man himself.


Sorry famz, but we are entitled to comment the book beforehand. And for an artist who claimed repeatedly that his songs speak more about his life than any given interview, we're allowed to consider with suspicion a fourthcoming 300 pages interview (if we ever get so many pages).

Famz, face the truth: We know our subject better than you. We do not allow Prince make fool of ourselves anymore, we know better by now.

Don't expect us to jump with joy after having being so low-considered by an artist we always defended no matter what lunacy he'd come up with. We are entitled to fear that the whole thing is going to look at best like the withdrawned Ebony interview, or the back cover of the Purple Rain LP: cryptic nonsenses revolving around his belly button.

[Edited 3/21/16 7:09am]

Preach it!

BartVanHemelen said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

pmsl..YOU are actually accusing HIM of blatant bias? oh come on BVH..wtf!

.

Go ahead, prove him right. I can cite various posts from the first two pages of this thread that are just as "negative" as what I said. Yet somehow it was my post that triggered his reaction.

fair point made.

EmmaMcG said:

It's all well and good to speculate on what this book COULD be like, or if it ever comes out. Is it possible that it could be full of religious nonsense and incoherent ramblings? Yes. Is it possible it could be a glorified photo album like 21 Nights? Yes. Is it possible that it could be released to little fanfare and flop? Yes. BUT, isn't it also possible that it could be an interesting read and end up top of the best sellers list? YES. Of course it is. There's no point saying that it WILL be this or it WILL be that. Sure, Prince has let fans down in the past but he's also left them pleasantly surprised. There's far too much negativity surrounding this news. I'll acknowledge that the usual Prince critics have a point when referring to his past mistakes but to declare this memoir a flop or a failure 18 months BEFORE its released is taking things a bit too far. [Edited 3/21/16 13:41pm]

This^^^^^is my point......

People are really showing their hand...It's beyond ridiculous the shit I'm reading in this thread....

[Edited 3/21/16 14:40pm]

bonatoc said:

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[Edited 3/21/16 7:09am]

Do you realise how utterly Borderline parts of your post and stance is?

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Going from idealisation to de-valuation

“Don't expect us to jump with joy after having being so low-considered by an artist we always defended no matter what lunacy he'd come up with… I don't need him to break the magic I feel when I listen to "Another Lonely Christmas … We do not allow Prince to make fool of ourselves anymore, we know better by now”

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Feeling that the other person does not care enough, does not give enough, is not “there enough

Bart’s post through and through. And yours: "LRC/Dirty Mind" It's like Vanity's loss is less important than a good musical idea. We're pissed off because his talent deserved more: more attention from the public”.
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Inappropriate, intense anger. Bart displays this the best.

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You mention words like “sociopath, megalomania, narcissism”.

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“Sorry famz, but we are entitled to comment the book beforehand. Famz, face the truth: We know our subject better than you”.

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^^^^ Sociopathic narcissistic megalomania in its purest form.

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If you accuse Prince of being a narcissist and guilty in the first degree, by what standards do you judge yourselves? The same?

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There is ‘what’ you comment and there is ‘how you comment. Time spent on the org predicting and judging what you clearly despise and ridicule demonstrates only sad, sad actions of Co-narcissists in full bloom. Chasing the drama, with addictive compulsions, the need to be there for the affect to emotionally balance your Master, the Narcissist Prince.

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There is no need to defend any of the nonsense in your post . Yes, you may comment, yes you have an opinion, yes you may not agree. It’s all legal. Slavery was legal, Nazi Germany was legal, Apartheid was legal. But legality never established morality. And some things you mention in this post are just as immoral and trashy as his ex and others selling his stuff. Thank God Prince changed and pushed the likes of you kind of fans aside. It was the best thing he ever did.

bonatoc said:

BartVanHemelen said:

bonatoc said:

The point is: What do you sing/write about when your life has become so detached from the life normal human beings live? Aren't you writing exclusively for yourself, deluding yourself into thinking that your point of view relates to the world?

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Hence the endless parade of "I'm so fonkay it hurts" boasts. Or songs about how much he earns doing concerts.

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I don't care much about the general public not getting it, but about Prince squandering his talent on useless dreck and religious BS.

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Who has the courage to look at "The Beautiful Experience" video today? The performances are still great, as they usually are, given the extraordinay musician Prince is, but all the nonsense?
It's fucking embarassing, to say the least. I cringed, slowly witnessing my maverick hero, the ultimate outsider, become a narcissistic freak. Every segue in this video makes you puke: Oh, I'm Symbol, I'm so mysterious, you can't help having wet dreams when you think about me.

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I had plenty of objections back then.

BINGO! "I don't care much about the general public not getting it, but about Prince squandering ohis talent on useless dreck and religious BS." not targetting you with this point BUT it highlights a big issue that hard core fans have with any other artist. It comes down to a fan thinking they know whats best for the artist. Who are we to tell him [or any other artist] what to do?..what might be common sense, logical to fans might be totally gainst the instincts of the artist. Prince is another place now & has been for many years dude. Just be glad he's not ended up like Sly Stone, MJ & others. I think we all get where you are coming from..just wish you'd balance your opinions more. Lets be honest we'd all cream our pants if he released music as stunning as he did from 77 - 88...BUT no artist can keep producing that level of quality. Hell look at some of Bowies AND James Browns output [JB did some GODAWFUL albums!]

We could always just have our library cards ready until we know better? Save the $27.95 or whatever they wind up charging, & support your local library until you know for sure that you like the thing? If you do, give it a place of honor on your book shelf. If you don't, write an honest review & let it be known so no other reader suffers through it.

[Edited 3/21/16 15:26pm]

EvilAngel said:

I'm actually more interested in Bart's review than the damn book itself.

Now that would be good

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Two BVH titles I would buy

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Turn it Down 2.0 - The Complete Guide to Prince's failings

Posts from the Org - A collection of musings by The Bart

Bohemian67 said:

bonatoc said:

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[Edited 3/21/16 7:09am]

Do you realise how utterly Borderline parts of your post and stance is?

-

Going from idealisation to de-valuation

“Don't expect us to jump with joy after having being so low-considered by an artist we always defended no matter what lunacy he'd come up with… I don't need him to break the magic I feel when I listen to "Another Lonely Christmas … We do not allow Prince to make fool of ourselves anymore, we know better by now”

-

Feeling that the other person does not care enough, does not give enough, is not “there enough

Bart’s post through and through. And yours: "LRC/Dirty Mind" It's like Vanity's loss is less important than a good musical idea. We're pissed off because his talent deserved more: more attention from the public”.
-

Inappropriate, intense anger. Bart displays this the best.

-

You mention words like “sociopath, megalomania, narcissism”.

-

“Sorry famz, but we are entitled to comment the book beforehand. Famz, face the truth: We know our subject better than you”.

-

^^^^ Sociopathic narcissistic megalomania in its purest form.

-

If you accuse Prince of being a narcissist and guilty in the first degree, by what standards do you judge yourselves? The same?

-

There is ‘what’ you comment and there is ‘how you comment. Time spent on the org predicting and judging what you clearly despise and ridicule demonstrates only sad, sad actions of Co-narcissists in full bloom. Chasing the drama, with addictive compulsions, the need to be there for the affect to emotionally balance your Master, the Narcissist Prince.

-

There is no need to defend any of the nonsense in your post . Yes, you may comment, yes you have an opinion, yes you may not agree. It’s all legal. Slavery was legal, Nazi Germany was legal, Apartheid was legal. But legality never established morality. And some things you mention in this post are just as immoral and trashy as his ex and others selling his stuff. Thank God Prince changed and pushed the likes of you kind of fans aside. It was the best thing he ever did.

I don't think I disagree with your points, but, nothing anyone has posted here should at all be compared to Slavery, Nazi Germany or Apartheid. To do so is beyond ridiculous. Just sayin'...

since he mentioned "if i ever write my life story.." back in 2006. is that also why he's only going up to 07

2 whom it may concern: I sincerely LOVE the man.

When I post a big fat rant like I did, it's never out of some sadistic pleasure to bring him down.

Oh, and please oh please, stop this absurdity of asking what music or movie we naysayers have produced. It's just plain wrong reasoning: I cannot judge Trump an ugly motherfucker based on the only reason I did not live the life of a reactionary right-wing millionaire? I can't appreciate Lamar's "Butterfly" because I'm not part of the afro-amercian community? Now THAT's biased. And this "You're either with us or against us" attitude is what sects are based upon.

Anyway...

I know it's not my place to judge Prince's public reactions about the loss of his son.
But we're talking about a bio, right? A book reconciling his life events to his artistic output.
I can't help but wonder what impact such a tragedy had on him.
Did it change his views about life, or even God?
This is such an important episode and yet, it's taboo even on the org, mein Führer.
Maybe rightfully so, I dunno.


But the real subject of my post was: What sort of life do you have when you do almost nothing but work? How do you manage to have a private life? It's still a mystery to me, and I sure would like to read Prince's thoughts on this. Other artists of this stature look like lazy punks, putting out an album every 2 or 3 years; but it gives them time to live, to get bored, to reflect, to digest. To do some activities unrelated to music, and artists need to live things that may become a song's subject or inspiration later on.

In comparison, Prince seems so scared about the blank page syndrome, that he records non-stop, up until the point you have nothing to sing about, except yourself, or this alternative/parallel universe you live in, in which the Gold Experience outperforms MJ's Thriller ubiquity.


I'm not talking about the quality of Skipper's musical output only. Pop is also lyrics. And lyrics matter. You can feel when something just had to get out. But usually they're the result of filtering, reworking, trashing, and getting back to work up until you have something worth humming again and again. Other artists take the time to do that. Of course, there is the exception of great lyrics written in a rush on the mixing desk, but you can't expect to output something valuable every time in this manner.

Prince is my hero for, amongst a myriad of reasons, his capacity to turn the page.
But lately I started to think that, while this is a brave way to cope with life's struggles, it can also be used as an alibi to never go too deep in things that matter. Let me be a little harsh again: other couples have overcome such a tragedy by trying again to have a baby, up until it works. And if it still doesn't work, they adopt. Prince, after having stated for so long how much him and Mayte were meant for each other, did not take this path. It's a choice to be respected, but I can't help but wonder.

This is maybe his ultimate controversy: rarely do you see an artist have such a perseverance in his work, perfecting his craft day after day. But when it comes to relationships, which his lyrics are supposedly written about, it seems to be "Abandon ship!" the moment the first true difficulties arise.


I wrote about Mötley Crüe, Keith Richards' "Life" and The Revolution on purpose. The great life adventure of having a band and making music out of a living, inevitably brings blank pages, dark times, fights, break-ups. The most interesting stories come from overcoming all of that, because the band is, in the end, more important than its members egoes. Richards and Jagger went through some shitty years, but they knew that the joy and fun brought to the masses, even under the most despicable aspect of well-oiled commercial mega world tours, are what this is all about. Solo, no one gives a shit.

It's these personal histories that intertwine with songwriting, that makes pop interesting. Bowie's albums still matter because the songs and the personas are the byproducts of drug use (and abuse), sexual identity questioning, science-fiction, collages, in short anything that could put him out of his zone of comfort. He knew that creativity comes from confronting the world.
Prince, on the other hand, gives us the impression that the real world terrorizes him. That he can not go out in the world without wearing a ton of mascara and high heels. Well, he dropped the heels, but the mascara is still on, and he's almost sixty.


I surely hope for "Brother Dan" to be able to get Skipper face all that. Few artists have been so sincere and autobiographic in their songs. It's time to wear the mascara off, and let fourteen-years-old Skipper come back to the surface and see what he thinks about that. That I would find most interesting.

[Edited 3/21/16 17:15pm]

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iZsaZsa said:

What a weird, sad place....

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