BlackCandle said:

BlackCandle said:

For years we heard it was written for Susannah Melvoin, and now he states it was for Vanity?

Alzheimer alert!

BlackCandle said:

babynoz said:

Feel free to comprehend what's being said before commenting.

My point that went over your head is that the book has more of a chance of becoming a bestseller than some clowns on the org have of ever growing up. It's what adults call S.A.R.C.A.S.M.

Adults also realize that the success or lack therof of a complete stranger has no bearing on our lives therefore, no "blind optimism" is being expressed here.

Get it now?

Or perhaps I hit a nerve? Oh well....

[Edited 3/21/16 15:20pm]

Oh, the irony... (I.R.O.N.Y - ask an ADULT to explain that to you). The point of my sarcastic response which you completely failed to comprehend was why long-time fans aren't all drinking the purple kool-aid. They didn't just pull it out of their arse (unlike your moronic ramblings). Prince has form and intelligent people know that predicting the likelihood of the success or otherwise of the book in no-way indicates that it has the slightest bearing on anyones life. Intelligent people also don't continually end their passive-aggressive nonsense with a ... Is this sinking in yet? No? Oh well...

If you're trying to save face because you're too stupid to recognize sarcasm then you are too late. You already made a fool of yourself and blathering on about "long time fans" won't help you, nor will over-used, unimaginative phrases like "purple kool aid"......really?

Let's see if this is passive-aggressive enough for you, [Flame snip - luv4u]

Did that sink in? Hope so.

BlackCandle said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

Announcing a book with a working title The Beautiful Ones, and seeing him perform that song on the day Vanity passed and it so obviously being about her, he must clearly have been in a reflective frame of mind since then. I can imagine him having a fit of inspiration and punching out 50 pages pretty quickly - I don't know if I can see him sustaining enough interest to complete a substantial work. And good luck to the editor! You're gonna need it

Except we now know from the withdrawn Ebony Interview that he wrote it specifically for the Movie...

No, what we now know is that, in the context of a discussion about the idea that certain songs were written about specific people, Prince said that The Beautiful Ones was written for the movie, but what we also know is that, in the context of a public in concert expression of grief and memories about a person who recently died, he said things that implied that it was written for that person.

The fact is that we have no idea whether the song was "written for" anyone, Denise Matthews or Susannah Melvoin or anyone else. We only know what people (including Prince) have said about it--and since he's said different things, it's entirely possible he also said different things in the past about it, which might explain how the other people got to thinking it was about them anyway.

"The Beautiful Ones" was DEFINITELY written about someone. NO ONE sings a ballad with that kind of passion. Especially the screaming part at the end. Without being scorned.

Plus wouldn't have named his book after it if it wasn't. It's obvious who it's about..

I miss her so much...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

"The Beautiful Ones" was DEFINITELY written about someone. NO ONE sings a ballad with that kind of passion. Especially the screaming part at the end. Without being scorned.

Plus wouldn't have named his book after it if it wasn't. It's obvious who it's about..

I miss her so much...

Yes, they do. It's called ART, which is distilled from the entirety of one's experience, even when there is a dominant "inspiration." Otherwise it's a diary entry. And your paragraph makes no sense at all--if it's a memoir of his life why name it for one person with whom he had an active relationship for about three years? My hope is that there are considerably more people in mind when he titles the book that (I hope it's not just a reference to his songs). Certainly there are many more people who've mattered in that story, and many of them probably have far more interesting and significant roles to play in his story than she did. That's not a knock on her--nor on her own story--but she is not the beginning or end or even a major part of his (unless this book reveals a very different view of his life than I expect it will).

bonatoc said:

djThunderfunk said:

Bohemian67 said:

There is no need to defend any of the nonsense in your post . Yes, you may comment, yes you have an opinion, yes you may not agree. It’s all legal. Slavery was legal, Nazi Germany was legal, Apartheid was legal. But legality never established morality. And some things you mention in this post are just as immoral and trashy as his ex and others selling his stuff. Thank God Prince changed and pushed the likes of you kind of fans aside. It was the best thing he ever did.

I don't think I disagree with your points, but, nothing anyone has posted here should at all be compared to Slavery, Nazi Germany or Apartheid. To do so is beyond ridiculous. Just sayin'...

"The basis of morality is compassion or sympathy and can be judged in its distinction of treating a person as an an end not as a mere means, by drawing the distinction between egoism and unselfishness. (Kant & Schopenhauer)

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It is is immoral to use another person merely as a means to an end for one's own pleasure, needs or desires. History is the reminder that such immorality began from one idea which gathered a following.

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It is my job as a human to confront immorality where ever it crosses my path in whatever form and to mirror its absurdities.

Back to the memoir...

babynoz said:

EddieC said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

"The Beautiful Ones" was DEFINITELY written about someone. NO ONE sings a ballad with that kind of passion. Especially the screaming part at the end. Without being scorned.

Plus wouldn't have named his book after it if it wasn't. It's obvious who it's about..

I miss her so much...

Yes, they do. It's called ART, which is distilled from the entirety of one's experience, even when there is a dominant "inspiration." Otherwise it's a diary entry. And your paragraph makes no sense at all--if it's a memoir of his life why name it for one person with whom he had an active relationship for about three years? My hope is that there are considerably more people in mind when he titles the book that (I hope it's not just a reference to his songs). Certainly there are many more people who've mattered in that story, and many of them probably have far more interesting and significant roles to play in his story than she did. That's not a knock on her--nor on her own story--but she is not the beginning or end or even a major part of his (unless this book reveals a very different view of his life than I expect it will).

With working with Esther Newburg. This book is going 2 b super personal & revealing. Denise's death had a BIG effect on him. It put everything in perpective 4 .

murph said:

What a weird, sad place....

I was just about to say. This site can be really fucking miserable.

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We all take the piss out of him sometimes and we all have songs/albums/era's we don't like but I'll never understand why/how some people take his career so personal and seem so bitter. No wonder he won't go anywhere without security with fans/famz/haters like this.

KingSausage said:

bonatoc said:

laurarichardson said:

bonatoc said:

For years we heard it was written for Susannah Melvoin, and now he states it was for Vanity?

Alzheimer alert!

--- We only heard that from Susan Rogers not Prince who said the song was written for the film and who was cast in the film frist- Vanity!!!

Yes, but wasn't this the same time that he sent Susannah roses every day (for a year or so) while she was in a relationship with another man?

Anyway, guess we'll never know, but if he starts saying that Adore was written for Vanity as well and that Vibrator was about recharging one's spiritual batteries, then I'll go with Susan Rogers' version.

KingSausage said:

lwr001 said:

folks acting like Prince is fuckign with lightwweights her,,.,Esther Newberg is a literary beast..If she on his team and side, he will be ok

Esther, my meaty nutz. Clive Davis was a titan of the music industry and on Prince's side. How that how Rave thing work out for them?

U r doing it again...lol....Apples and oranges...U smarter than this, homie....

Bohemian67 said:

djThunderfunk said:

I don't think I disagree with your points, but, nothing anyone has posted here should at all be compared to Slavery, Nazi Germany or Apartheid. To do so is beyond ridiculous. Just sayin'...

"The basis of morality is compassion or sympathy and can be judged in its distinction of treating a person as an an end not as a mere means, by drawing the distinction between egoism and unselfishness. (Kant & Schopenhauer)

-

It is is immoral to use another person merely as a means to an end for one's own pleasure, needs or desires. History is the reminder that such immorality began from one idea which gathered a following.

-

It is my job as a human to confront immorality where ever it crosses my path in whatever form and to mirror its absurdities.

You said it. I called you on it. You stand behind it...

All I can say is WOW!

dodger said:

murph said:

What a weird, sad place....

I was just about to say. This site can be really fucking miserable.

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We all take the piss out of him sometimes and we all have songs/albums/era's we don't like but I'll never understand why/how some people take his career so personal and seem so bitter. No wonder he won't go anywhere without security with fans/famz/haters like this.

I've never seen such sheer freak-out lunacy on a fan website in my adult life.....It's as if we have a legion of mini-Barts trolling around the Org spreading misery and pompous know-it-all bullshit....

There's a reason why a great number of people have fled this site.....If you can't enjoy being a Prince fan on a Prince-fan site, then what's the point?....

Lord knows I've criticized the man and his work in a personal and professional capacity....But this thread is even more proof that the Org is a miserable fucking place.......That stereotype of hardcore Prince fans being weirdo assholes gets proven everyday around this place...

BlackCandle said:

babynoz said:

If you're trying to save face because you're too stupid to recognize sarcasm then you are too late. You already made a fool of yourself and blathering on about "long time fans" won't help you, nor will over-used, unimaginative phrases like "purple kool aid"......really?

Let's see if this is passive-aggressive enough for you, [Flame snip - luv4u]

Did that sink in? Hope so.

You're one of those little kids that has to have the last word, aren't you? You might as well just say "so neh". Run along now and go play in the traffic...

Don't get it twisted, [Name calling snip - luv4u]

YOU are the one who came at me out of left field with some off the wall BS about blind loyalty. I've never said anything to or about you before and don't know you from a can of paint.

You came at me for no reason, so you got what you came for...simple as that.

murph said:

There's a reason why a great number of people have fled this site.....If you can't enjoy being a Prince fan on a Prince-fan site, then what's the point?....

I thinkl you make a really good point. Whilst I am not saying people have to like everything, every era or album. I really don't understand the notion of contining to follow someone who makes you this unhappy. Maybe time for some to find something else or someone else that interests and inspires them. Can you imagine if Prince was as negative as some of this thread, he would probably have picked up that first guitar and thought 'Nah, What's the point'.

murph said:

jayspud said:

murph said:

There's a reason why a great number of people have fled this site.....If you can't enjoy being a Prince fan on a Prince-fan site, then what's the point?....

I thinkl you make a really good point. Whilst I am not saying people have to like everything, every era or album. I really don't understand the notion of contining to follow someone who makes you this unhappy. Maybe time for some to find something else or someone else that interests and inspires them. Can you imagine if Prince was as negative as some of this thread, he would probably have picked up that first guitar and thought 'Nah, What's the point'.

I know a few friends who left this place because of the nonsense and pure hate. And not just about Prince , it even gets personal. Prince has some cool fans , but all the nutjobs seem to be here. Hell you can't even like something without being call famz like it something to be embarrassed about. You can like something and be told you have no taste or your deaf. WTF

All the critics hate you in orgland

[Edited 3/22/16 7:29am]

Pentacle said:

laurarichardson said:

bonatoc said: --- We only heard that from Susan Rogers not Prince who said the song was written for the film and who was cast in the film frist- Vanity!!!

Yes, but wasn't this the same time that he sent Susannah roses every day (for a year or so) while she was in a relationship with another man?

Anyway, guess we'll never know, but if he starts saying that Adore was written for Vanity as well and that Vibrator was about recharging one's spiritual batteries, then I'll go with Susan Rogers' version.

Actually, I think Adore was written about Vanity also. I was fortunate enough to hear the audio from the Melbourne show when he told the story about Vanity and Chick. ( It can be found online if you want to hear it) He talked about celebrating her life and then he seamlessly went into Adore. It was obvious that the song was about her now and back then. It was so heartbreaking to hear him sing it during the audio that I broke down in tears. The lyrics in the song perfectly describe the night they met and how he truly felt about her. In the song he says that when he first saw her "in a word you were sex" do you really think that line was about Susannah since she is Wendy's twin. Does that mean he thought Wendy looked like sex when he first saw her too. LOL.

All of the info that we have about who songs were written for come from the same sources. Susan Rodgers ( who Prince says knows nothing about him or his music), Susannah, Alan Leeds, and others who have their opinions but it does not make them facts. This is the very reason that he is doing this book so that people do not have to speculate any longer. I think some people who have held onto the info that they have read in DMSR and other biographies are going to be shocked when Prince reveals his true inspirations for his songs.

KingSausage said:

Guitarhero said:

jayspud said:

I thinkl you make a really good point. Whilst I am not saying people have to like everything, every era or album. I really don't understand the notion of contining to follow someone who makes you this unhappy. Maybe time for some to find something else or someone else that interests and inspires them. Can you imagine if Prince was as negative as some of this thread, he would probably have picked up that first guitar and thought 'Nah, What's the point'.

I know a few friends who left this place because of the nonsense and pure hate. And not just about Prince , it even gets personal. Prince has some cool fans , but all the nutjobs seem to be here. Hell you can't even like something without being call famz like it something to be embarrassed about. You can like something and be told you have no taste or your deaf. WTF

All the critics hate you in orgland

[Edited 3/22/16 7:29am]

That's why Eye stay here to spread positivity. Despite being called the worse names of my life here.

[Edited 3/22/16 9:01am]

jayspud said:

murph said:

There's a reason why a great number of people have fled this site.....If you can't enjoy being a Prince fan on a Prince-fan site, then what's the point?....

I thinkl you make a really good point. Whilst I am not saying people have to like everything, every era or album. I really don't understand the notion of contining to follow someone who makes you this unhappy. Maybe time for some to find something else or someone else that interests and inspires them. Can you imagine if Prince was as negative as some of this thread, he would probably have picked up that first guitar and thought 'Nah, What's the point'.

It's comical...And not in a good way....

30yearfan said:

It was obvious that the song was about her now and back then. I think some people who have held onto the info that they have read in DMSR and other biographies are going to be shocked when Prince reveals his true inspirations for his songs.

Susannah is going to be shocked too, when she finds out that Prince wrote love songs about Vanity while they were living together...

Anyway, interesting. The song also contains a reference to maybe being her first lover, and that wouldn't apply to either woman. Maybe he was already thinking about Salma Hayek's daughter, hm...