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ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION: PRINCE'S MOST UNDERRATED ALBUM? Prince's career has been through peaks and valleys for decades but, if you have followed his music since the beginning, chances are there's a particular era that stands out. For me, the LOVE SYMBOL era is his most underrated, but before I explain why, it's important to remember what was going on in music and culture at this time:
2. Love to the 9's 3. The Morning Papers 4. Blue Light 5. Sweet Baby 6. Damn U 7. 7 8. And God Created Woman 9. 3 Chains o' Gold | |
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The album gets a lot of love here on the org, so it's certainly not underrated here. All the things you mention are exactly why I don't like it: it was Prince trying waaay too hard to prove that he could do everything.
My choice... Emancipation. Sure, the production is slick and "plastic", but it's got some wonderful songs that let you know something about what's going on in his life. (Holy River for instance) which was exactly what was missing in his "hey, look I'm just as bad as those rappers" attitude that ruined so much of his music in 1991-95. [Edited 3/13/16 13:41pm] [Edited 3/13/16 13:42pm] [Edited 3/13/16 13:42pm] | |
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Yes, LOVE SYMBOL is appreciated here on the Org but not so much in the mainstream which is what prompted me to write this blog. I'm surprised that his musicianship was a turnoff for you; most of the reviews I've seen - from fans and critics alike - are fascinated by his ability to apply his touch to nearly every genre imaginable. | |
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LOTUSFLOW3R THE RAINBOW CHILDREN HITNRUN PHASE 2 | |
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I adore Love Symbol, probably my favourite Prince album, warts and all. But as someone else said, it's rated quite highly on the org. | |
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Hey, I appreciate you reading my post and leaving some feedback! I have mixed emotions about RAVE UN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC. Unfortunately, the majority of the songs here are forgettable except for "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold," "Man o' War" and "Strange But True." | |
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Come, what do you meanby the plastic production of Emancipation? | |
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That song had a lot of potential to become a big hit. Very accessible, easy to relate to, has universal lyrics and the music is good, too. People I know instantly liked it when they heard it. The Sun , Moon and Stars is another good song but the ending with the fake Jamaican accent sounds very corny and dated. I liked when he revisitied this gem of a relaxed, laid back song a while ago. - The Love Symbol album also has some great songs on it but, much like Sun, Moon and Stars, many of the really nice songs on Love Symbol have bits and parts that irk me and sound dated.....but despite those elements, I like the songs in general. It´s just few details that rub me the wrong way, like the rapping, the bragging, the silly Egyptian Princess storyline and concept, or the blood reference and having sex with a virgin lyric in I Wanna Melt With U . But then there also some real early 90s classics on it such as Damn U, And God Created Woman and 7 on it. I know it sounds sacrilegious and barbaric....but this is an album that would benefit greatly from re-editing and rewriting. It is an interesting collection of songs and great musicianship. The Sacrifice of Victor is a very introspective and inspirational song. It was a bold move to put such a highly autobiographic and personal song on a commercial album. The segues were so annoying. " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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KoolEaze said:
That song had a lot of potential to become a big hit. Very accessible, easy to relate to, has universal lyrics and the music is good, too. People I know instantly liked it when they heard it. The Sun , Moon and Stars is another good song but the ending with the fake Jamaican accent sounds very corny and dated. I liked when he revisitied this gem of a relaxed, laid back song a while ago. - The Love Symbol album also has some great songs on it but, much like Sun, Moon and Stars, many of the really nice songs on Love Symbol have bits and parts that irk me and sound dated.....but despite those elements, I like the songs in general. It´s just few details that rub me the wrong way, like the rapping, the bragging, the silly Egyptian Princess storyline and concept, or the blood reference and having sex with a virgin lyric in I Wanna Melt With U . But then there also some real early 90s classics on it such as Damn U, And God Created Woman and 7 on it. I know it sounds sacrilegious and barbaric....but this is an album that would benefit greatly from re-editing and rewriting. It is an interesting collection of songs and great musicianship. The Sacrifice of Victor is a very introspective and inspirational song. It was a bold move to put such a highly autobiographic and personal song on a commercial album. The segues were so annoying. Good Points. Love Symbol, stripped of the excess, is brilliant songwriting and songcraft. | |
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Controversy 5 reasons
title track - The Prince sound is established sexuality do me, baby - The Prince ballad is established private joy - ...you belong to Prince let's work
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For You | |
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That Jamaican accent/rap is hilarious. Surely he was taking the piss. . Also agree with you on the Symbol album. This was the album that really got me into Prince and I still love it as much today but the 'storyline' and segues I can do without. God Created Woman is one of my all time favourites. | |
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Parade | |
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All great points, bonnie184! Sometimes an album's reputation is unfairly tainted by its placement in the catalog. I believe that this is the case for AROUND THE WORLD IN A DAY and, your choice, CONTROVERSY. | |
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Help me better understand why you believe PARADE doesn't get as much love? I happen to have PARADE in my Top 5 so your answer surprises me. | |
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Interesting choice, RJOrion. Walk me through why you believe that FOR YOU doesn't get as much shine as the other albums in Prince's discography. | |
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Yes, I would like to know myself. This criticism of Emancipation is repeated ad nauseum and there's really no merit to it.
Incidentally, Rave and Emancipation are the most underrated Prince albums by a landslide. [Edited 3/14/16 12:15pm] | |
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Parade is considered as one of his finest albums - among fans. It's also my favourite album.
BUT: Rolling Stone top 500 albums - not included (Purple Rain #72, 1999 #163, Sign 'O' The Times #93, Dirty Mind #206) NME top 500 albums - not included (Purple Rain #91, Sign 'O' The Times #198, Dirty Mind #393) 1001 albums you must hear before you die - not included (Purple Rain, 1999, Sign 'O' The Times)
Parade was NME's album of the year 1986 - now it's forgotten. It's not underrated here, but underrated everywhere else.
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My choice too except TRC should be first. - I should look into Symbol again and create a decent playlist but it is quite a chore streamlining 3 cd's. I've never raved about it like the org but think it's time I took some re-listens. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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ChrisLacy1990 said:
Interesting choice, RJOrion. Walk me through why you believe that FOR YOU doesn't get as much shine as the other albums in Prince's discography. Alot of people start the Prince journey at Dirty Mind, and consider his first two albums somewhat as throwaways, only for the diehard fans and "completists"...some people even think "I Wanna Be Your Lover" is his debut single...great songs like "My Love Is Forever", "Crazy You", "Just As Long As We're Together", "Baby", "Im Yours" and "In Love", dont get the credit they deserve for being the masterpieces that they are...and even his second lp, even though IWBYL and Sexy Dancer and WYWTMSB were hits, that album is more complete than it gets credit for..."Its Gonna Be Lonely" was the prototype Prince ballad, but "Do Me Baby" always gets credit for that... [Edited 3/15/16 4:54am] | |
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Personally, I love the Love Symbol album. It's one of my favs. The Rainbow Children is a beautiful album musically, but some of the the lyrics are terrible. I do love the guitar work though. | |
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That's an excellent point. I'm 26 years old, and I didn't get hooked on Prince's music until I was 20, but I remember being fascinated by FOR YOU and PRINCE. The artwork alone is magnificent as is the music. I believe people tend to cite DIRTY MIND as "the first album" because of the sound change; going from disco/pop to new wave is quite a switch. | |
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I'm in the same boat with you on THE RAINBOW CHILDREN. As a Southern Baptist believer, I'm turned off by the Jehovah's Witness agenda that runs throughout the record; however, I plan to revisit it soon because I know Prince's projects have brilliance buried within it. | |
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5. Sweet Baby | |
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Def Lostusflowr - the last time a Prince album made my year-end top 10. | |
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I think this one is not so much 'underrated' as sort-of unfairly ignored: . Prince (1979) is, in fact, the album that made his career. To be frank, one reason it doesn't get as much retrospective critical attention is that it's still very 'black'/soul, and not yet very 'rock' (as the next one would be, which then got all the rock critics drooling). But this album and its singles put Prince into the big-time, and it would be three or four years before he matched its sales figures. Any album with 'I Wanna Be Your Lover', 'Why you Wanna Treat me So Bad?', and 'I Feel For You' can't not be great. In fact, this is really the album that created the 'Minneapolis Sound', although I guess it would find greater fruition later. . Besides, how can you not love a guy who dresses like this?: | |
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I have to agree.."Prince" (1979) was my first musical introduction to him. "Soft And Wet" was never played on the radio in my area.."Lover" and "Sexy Dancer" were HUGE on the R&B stations back then and I remember seeing him on Bandstand and The Midnight Special...The big talk in school on Monday was; "DID YOU SEE HIM KISS HIS GUITAR PLAYER???!!!"..His look was a little shocking w/ the spandex, earring in the right ear, etc....................Anyway, I love the innocence and swag of "Prince". | |
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SPYZFAN1 said: I have to agree.."Prince" (1979) was my first musical introduction to him. "Soft And Wet" was never played on the radio in my area.."Lover" and "Sexy Dancer" were HUGE on the R&B stations back then and I remember seeing him on Bandstand and The Midnight Special...The big talk in school on Monday was; "DID YOU SEE HIM KISS HIS GUITAR PLAYER???!!!"..His look was a little shocking w/ the spandex, earring in the right ear, etc.....Anyway, I love the innocence and swag of "Prince". Did he actually kiss Dez though?...even when i watch the video now, Prince has his back turned when the alleged act occurs...im not so sure he's not just singing into Dez's mic at the same time Dez does...but from the TV camera angle i could see how people (including me) couldve thoght he kissed him...besides, back then, Prince had a more over the top feminine persona, so it wasnt farfetched to assume that...even in the "I Wanna Be Your Lover" promo video, Prince grabs Andre by the chest and pulls him in close, as he says, "i wanna b your...brotherrr"...i thought THEY was about to kiss...but Prince pulled back and sashayed over to Gayle, instead...good times | |
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I'll have to dig the video out and watch it again. Yeah P was over the top back then, but it made people pay attention. I thought the same thing for the band promo video for "Lover"...good times indeed....I remember that band promo video was on You Tube for a few hours and it was quickly taken down...I think that was the start of the "purple police" removing his videos. | |
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