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Reply #30 posted 03/18/16 7:31pm

214

AnnaSantana said:

214 said:

I could only imagine. sad

Sorry buddy. Some people don't know how NOT to rub it in and make you feel worse. hug

sad I know, they are so mean to me.

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Reply #31 posted 03/18/16 7:43pm

OldFriends4Sal
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214 said:

AnnaSantana said:

Sorry buddy. Some people don't know how NOT to rub it in and make you feel worse. hug

sad I know, they are so mean to me.

awww, just live vicariously through us

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Reply #32 posted 03/19/16 4:53pm

teezee

Heard it first on "Happy Feet". Yeah I know, i'm a late fan lol. That song stuck with me a long time til I finally found who sang it.

"You don't have to be rich to be my girl,

you don't have to be cool to rule my world"

cool

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Reply #33 posted 03/20/16 2:08pm

214

OldFriends4Sale said:

214 said:

sad I know, they are so mean to me.

awww, just live vicariously through us

neutral

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Reply #34 posted 03/20/16 2:40pm

williamb610

That extended 12" version is the fucking bomb!

AZza razzle you don't have to be rich

you don't have to be cool ...

Ahhh

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Reply #35 posted 03/20/16 3:59pm

callimnate

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Tom Jones did it better. cool





































lol

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Reply #36 posted 03/20/16 4:08pm

callimnate

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Remember early one morning before school, the radio DJ announcing that they were going to play P's "new single" after the ad break! eek

So I grabbed ANY cassette that was lying around and got ready to tape it.

It came on, I recorded it (so much for P's piracy rules lol ), and listened to it once, twice, three, four, five times and so on........

Ended up skipping school, and by the end of the day I knew the lyrics inside out and had made a homemade extended version as well.

(sigh)

Goot times. cool

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Reply #37 posted 03/20/16 4:11pm

214

williamb610 said:

That extended 12" version is the fucking bomb!

AZza razzle you don't have to be rich

you don't have to be cool ...

Ahhh

No, it's not. It's unnecessary

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Reply #38 posted 03/20/16 4:23pm

Jamzone333

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Wow!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
"A united state of mind will never be divided
The real definition of unity is 1
People can slam their door, disagree and fight it
But how U gonna love the Father but not love the Son?
United States of Division"
gigglebowfroguitar
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Reply #39 posted 03/20/16 6:29pm

williamb610

214 said:

williamb610 said:

That extended 12" version is the fucking bomb!

AZza razzle you don't have to be rich

you don't have to be cool ...

Ahhh

No, it's not. It's unnecessary

Unnecessary for you. Not for me!

I love it. It's superfunky!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #40 posted 03/20/16 7:11pm

OldFriends4Sal
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214 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

awww, just live vicariously through us

neutral

Don't give,

I'll still love U

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Reply #41 posted 03/22/16 5:40am

databank

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DAVID Z

"We did a bunch of songs for Mazarati's album,” Z recalls. "Then, when we needed a single, Prince gave me this demo of him just playing straight chords on an acoustic guitar — one verse and one chorus — while singing in a normal pitch; not the falsetto that's on the finished record. To us, it sounded like a folk song and we were wondering what we could do with it. No way was it funky. Anyway, starting with a LinnDrum, I programmed the beat and began experimenting. Taking a hi-hat from the drum machine, I ran it through a delay unit and switched between input and output and in the middle. That created a very funky rhythm. Then I took an acoustic guitar, played these open chords and gated that to the hi-hat trigger. The result was a really unique rhythm that was unbelievably funky but also impossible to actually play... I'm sure that sound influenced the fabulous new Daft Punk song 'Get Lucky', because it uses the same trick, with the guitar gated to some sort of rhythm and sequencer.

"Next, I remembered a little piano part from a Bo Diddley song called 'Say Man' and put it on there, and then Tony Christian sang the lead part, an octave lower than what Prince wound up doing. The background vocals I adapted from the Brenda Lee song 'Sweet Nothings' — good music is always taken from somewhere else — and that was that. The whole thing was done in a day.”

Or David Z and the guys in Mazarati thought it was. The fact is, in this form 'Kiss' sounded OK — a so-so dance number. However, Tony Christian's lead vocal was a little soulless and uninspiring, and when Prince heard the track he decided to head in a different direction... with himself at the helm.

"When I came back into the studio the next morning, Prince had already taken it off the machine, replaced the vocal with his own falsetto performance — which, I guess, he felt it needed — got rid of the bass part and added a James Brown 'Papa's Got A Brand New Bag' guitar lick,” Z recalls. "'What happened?' I asked, to which he replied, 'It's too good for you guys. I'm taking it back.'”

Boasting a four-octave range, Prince sang virtually the entire song in head voice, reverting to chest voice for the final line, as well as a single note before the last chorus. "At the time, I think he was into using a [Sennheiser MD] 441,” says Z.

"We only used nine tracks for that song, including a bass drum on one track, the rest of the drums on another and the hi-hat on a separate track. As for the lack of bass guitar, we always ran the kick drum through an [AMS] RMX16 and put it on the Reverse 2 setting to extend the tail of the reverb. That served as a kick drum and a bass, and it was a signature sound that we used all the time with Prince. We didn't need a real bass. And there was no reverb on anything else; just the kick. The guitar was dry and gated, and everything else sounded kind of different to the corporate rock that was on the radio at that time.”

Mazarati's backing vocals ended up on the finished record, yet this was scant compensation for what they had hoped would be their breakout hit.

"They were pissed,” says Z. "Prince had promised everyone a share of the songwriting credit, but that never happened and they were kind of mad about it.”


This story is now being questioned by some, particularly the part about David writing additional lyrics. It's been told pretty consistently over the years so I see no reason to doubt it, but I think someone said David had more or less retracted not too long ago (it was unsourced, though).

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Reply #42 posted 03/23/16 6:40am

214

OldFriends4Sale said:

214 said:

neutral

Don't give,

I'll still love U

You're messin around with me, do you think i'm a fool?

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Reply #43 posted 03/23/16 6:52am

OldFriends4Sal
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214 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Don't give,

I'll still love U

You're messin around with me, do you think i'm a fool?

At 1st, I think it's u and u thought it was me.

Oh, if only violets could talk.

Insecurities.

Do u know who u are?

What are u thinking?

I know u better than u think I do.

There's this purple suspicion that lurks in the anals of my mind that u and I are alike in more ways than 6.

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Reply #44 posted 03/23/16 7:37am

BoraBora


As much as I like the track, I ever found the 12" extended portion a little "over the top", somewhat taking away from the coolness of the first part.
To be clear, I like it but for me it isn't in the same league of the 12" of "Mountains", to say one.

I would like to listen before or after the unreleased "Xtended Version" proposed for inclusion on the (obviously) aborted "Crystal Ball II".

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Reply #45 posted 03/23/16 10:14am

214

BoraBora said:


As much as I like the track, I ever found the 12" extended portion a little "over the top", somewhat taking away from the coolness of the first part.
To be clear, I like it but for me it isn't in the same league of the 12" of "Mountains", to say one.

I would like to listen before or after the unreleased "Xtended Version" proposed for inclusion on the (obviously) aborted "Crystal Ball II".

Exactly, the shorter version is better.

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Reply #46 posted 03/23/16 10:21am

214

OldFriends4Sale said:

214 said:

You're messin around with me, do you think i'm a fool?

At 1st, I think it's u and u thought it was me.

Oh, if only violets could talk.

Insecurities.

Do u know who u are?

What are u thinking?

I know u better than u think I do.

There's this purple suspicion that lurks in the anals of my mind that u and I are alike in more ways than 6.

That's deep.

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Reply #47 posted 03/23/16 10:24am

novabrkr

PacManPlus said:

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That was still the LM-1, right? Through some sort of filter?

.


Apparently it was the Linn 9000. Not sure if there's been a confirmation on this. It is a somewhat "thinner" sounding machine.

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