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Is Phase 2 a reaction to D'Angelo's "Black Messiah"? Back in 2001 Prince released TRC and broke with the plastic production that had been going since 1996. It seemed like a reaction to the "Voodoo" album by D'Angelo, who had enjoyed much success and critical acclaim with that album. Many people said back then that 'Voodoo' was the kind of organic sounding album that Prince should make.
About a year ago D'Angelo released "Black Messiah" and again it was very well received by music critics all over the world, even if sales didn't really take off this time. Many Prince comparisons were made again by critics, some saying it was the best new 'Prince' album in years.
Now we suddenly get Phase 2 after the lackluster electronic Phase 1 album. An album chockfull of organic sounding, well played songs with the focus on musicianship. Just like D's "Black Messiah"!
Is this coincidence? Or would you think that Prince (competitive as he is) sees D as the only 'threat' to his Purple Kingdom and wants to show the world once more that he is more than capable of making a great organic sounding RnB based album, just like D has just done? RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time... |
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Reply #1 posted 12/31/15 1:11am
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Did you forget that most of Phase 2 was recorded two-three years ago? The only "answer" song by Prince that I can think of is Rock & Roll Is Alive, which was recorded and released shortly after Lenny Kravitz' Rock & Roll Is Dead. |
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Reply #2 posted 12/31/15 1:37am
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funkaholic1972 said:
Back in 2001 Prince released TRC and broke with the plastic production that had been going since 1996. It seemed like a reaction to the "Voodoo" album by D'Angelo, who had enjoyed much success and critical acclaim with that album. Many people said back then that 'Voodoo' was the kind of organic sounding album that Prince should make.
About a year ago D'Angelo released "Black Messiah" and again it was very well received by music critics all over the world, even if sales didn't really take off this time. Many Prince comparisons were made again by critics, some saying it was the best new 'Prince' album in years.
Now we suddenly get Phase 2 after the lackluster electronic Phase 1 album. An album chockfull of organic sounding, well played songs with the focus on musicianship. Just like D's "Black Messiah"!
Is this coincidence? Or would you think that Prince (competitive as he is) sees D as the only 'threat' to his Purple Kingdom and wants to show the world once more that he is more than capable of making a great organic sounding RnB based album, just like D has just done?
Most of the songs, if not all the songs on "Phase 2" were recorded before "Black Messiah" was released. Secondly, at this stage of his career, if Prince stared down Michael Jackson, Rick James and Roger Troutman at the height of his and their popularity and critical acclaim why would he sweat D or any musician for that matter now? P is competitive but that's like being through all the wars with Michael Jordan and sweating Chris Bosh. 3121 #1 THIS YEAR |
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Reply #3 posted 12/31/15 2:49am
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NorthC said:
Did you forget that most of Phase 2 was recorded two-three years ago? The only "answer" song by Prince that I can think of is Rock & Roll Is Alive, which was recorded and released shortly after Lenny Kravitz' Rock & Roll Is Dead.
Nope, I didn't forget about that. Prince records lots of different stuff over the years and keeps it in his Vault until a certain song fits a certain project and then it gets released. WHat I am saying is that Prince might have felt a need to 'reply' with an album of well played organic material rooted in RnB, to show the world that he is still the nr.1 when it comes to that type of material. RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time... |
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Reply #5 posted 12/31/15 3:33am
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Aerogram said:
No due to lack of mumbling.
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That settles the case, thanks! RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time... |
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Reply #6 posted 12/31/15 3:52am
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NorthC said: Did you forget that most of Phase 2 was recorded two-three years ago? The only "answer" song by Prince that I can think of is Rock & Roll Is Alive, which was recorded and released shortly after Lenny Kravitz' Rock & Roll Is Dead. "Hello" was also an answer song to Prince's We Are The World detractors, and "F.U.N.K." is generally believed to be Prince's response to PFU (Prince Fans United). I don't think Phase Two was an answer to Black Messiah. I think it was more like damage control after Phase One - that original album was hailed by many as his worst ever. |
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Reply #7 posted 12/31/15 5:00am
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Aerogram said:
No due to lack of mumbling.
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That settles the case, thanks! Dayuuum!! AND D'Angelo is Chris Bosh!!!?? LOL. My two cents are unnecessary |
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Reply #8 posted 12/31/15 5:23am
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The only reaction I've heard of is to a Al Green comment (When She Comes). Some or all of the songs are older than Bowel Movement. And I think the Phases (whatever all of them that there are) were planned out before the first one was released. So no. What? |
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Reply #9 posted 12/31/15 5:57am
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I've always felt AOA was a reaction to JT's 20/20... Listen to both then come back to me
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Reply #10 posted 12/31/15 8:54am
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Prince's life is a reaction to D'Angelo's Black Messiah. Hundalasiliah! |
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Reply #11 posted 12/31/15 9:13am
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It's as plausible as phase 2 being a reaction to the reception of phase 1. |
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Reply #12 posted 12/31/15 9:14am
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Aerogram said: No due to lack of mumbling. I wish so badly that most of the lyrics on HITNRUN Phase One, PLECTRUMRECTUM, and many other recent Prince albums were mumbled. "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Reply #13 posted 12/31/15 9:15am
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Undisputed (Moneyapolis Mix) was a reaction song to Undisputed and all the squabbling in between the two. "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry |
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Reply #14 posted 12/31/15 10:10am
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KingSausage said:
Aerogram said:
No due to lack of mumbling.
I wish so badly that most of the lyrics on HITNRUN Phase One, PLECTRUMRECTUM, and many other recent Prince albums were mumbled.
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Reply #15 posted 12/31/15 10:11am
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u mean that he can release something better??? |
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Reply #16 posted 12/31/15 12:06pm
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KingSausage said:
Aerogram said:
No due to lack of mumbling.
I wish so badly that most of the lyrics on HITNRUN Phase One, PLECTRUMRECTUM, and many other recent Prince albums were mumbled.
And if only D'Angelo had got Joshua Welton in to produce 'Black Messiah' ...
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Reply #17 posted 12/31/15 12:14pm
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langebleu said:
KingSausage said: Aerogram said:
No due to lack of mumbling.
I wish so badly that most of the lyrics on HITNRUN Phase One, PLECTRUMRECTUM, and many other recent Prince albums were mumbled.
And if only D'Angelo had got Joshua Welton in to produce 'Black Messiah' ...
Oh god. Never say that. Ever. "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Reply #18 posted 01/02/16 12:23am
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KingSausage said:
langebleu said:
And if only D'Angelo had got Joshua Welton in to produce 'Black Messiah' ...
Oh god. Never say that. Ever.
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Reply #19 posted 01/02/16 2:36am
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I've always thought it was his reaction to Thriller? Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain. |
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Reply #20 posted 01/03/16 12:05pm
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funkaholic1972 said:
NorthC said: Did you forget that most of Phase 2 was recorded two-three years ago? The only "answer" song by Prince that I can think of is Rock & Roll Is Alive, which was recorded and released shortly after Lenny Kravitz' Rock & Roll Is Dead.
Nope, I didn't forget about that. Prince records lots of different stuff over the years and keeps it in his Vault until a certain song fits a certain project and then it gets released. WHat I am saying is that Prince might have felt a need to 'reply' with an album of well played organic material rooted in RnB, to show the world that he is still the nr.1 when it comes to that type of material. Except, thanks to the Ebony journalist, we now know Prince had Phase II ready to release at the time of Phase I. SO your theory only holds if his message is: "I can do anything - so I'm gonna release an album of what I wanted to do before you came back to remind people how good I used to be and THEN I'm gonna release an album more in the style of yours - and both in a fraction of the time it took you to release one"... "Had to get off the boat so I could walk on water..." |
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Reply #21 posted 01/06/16 6:34pm
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I've always thought it was his reaction to Thriller?
Ok, not what I had in mind. When I first heard RockNRoll Love Affair, my immediate thought was "Oh yeah, this is a reaction to Dolly Partons Jolene." Have a listen and tell me what you think. ![lol](/i/s/icon_lol.gif) |
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Reply #22 posted 01/07/16 8:43am
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funkaholic1972 said:
Back in 2001 Prince released TRC and broke with the plastic production that had been going since 1996. It seemed like a reaction to the "Voodoo" album by D'Angelo, who had enjoyed much success and critical acclaim with that album. Many people said back then that 'Voodoo' was the kind of organic sounding album that Prince should make.
About a year ago D'Angelo released "Black Messiah" and again it was very well received by music critics all over the world, even if sales didn't really take off this time. Many Prince comparisons were made again by critics, some saying it was the best new 'Prince' album in years.
Now we suddenly get Phase 2 after the lackluster electronic Phase 1 album. An album chockfull of organic sounding, well played songs with the focus on musicianship. Just like D's "Black Messiah"!
Is this coincidence? Or would you think that Prince (competitive as he is) sees D as the only 'threat' to his Purple Kingdom and wants to show the world once more that he is more than capable of making a great organic sounding RnB based album, just like D has just done?
Maybe in 2001 but in 2015 I don't think D'Angelo's comeback was significant enough. His album is cool and may have been well received but IDK of those "many people" who you say said "OMG this young genius is the next Prince" anymore. Did any professional review actually say that?
Besides, lots of the stuff on Phase Two goes back to several years ago, before D's comeback. |
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Reply #23 posted 01/07/16 5:39pm
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lolol, no.
i adore d'angelo, and to his credit he's made an entire style/genre for himself based on one pinkyful of princes sound...i kind of think of d'angelo like jackson pollack - or even keith haring....
where prince is a leonardo davinci... |
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Reply #24 posted 01/07/16 6:44pm
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the 12 exc songs from phase 1 and phase 2 are WAY better than Black Mess-iah |
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Reply #25 posted 01/07/16 7:26pm
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D'Angelo's Black Messiah was hot GARBAGE! That album sucked ass. I played it twice and was bored. And lets not get started on his mumbling ass. __________________________________________________
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Reply #26 posted 01/08/16 6:36am
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D'angelo= Chris Bosh.....I hate yall so damn much ![lol](/i/s/icon_lol.gif) I Just Came To Dance and Shade for Yall |
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Reply #27 posted 01/08/16 7:16am
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I heard Prince's latest tweets were a reaction to a bad acip trip.
Stop the Prince Apologists ™ |
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Reply #28 posted 01/08/16 7:26am
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I highly doubt it. I think the only/last time Prince did anything that was a "reaction" was when he brought in Tony M. and incorporated rap. He HAS to know how badly that failed (there's no way he's escaped the fury directed at "Jughead", LOL).
I think at that time, Prince decided to just make the music that was in his head, and make it the way he heard it. The lone exception to that is, IMO, HitNRun Phase 1. He let someone else produce him and that led to, IMHO, disastrous results. But I believe that was an experiment whose seeds were germinated by Prince's releationship with Josh and Hannah. I think he hit it off with Josh, discussed production, etc., and that led to Prince saying "Let's see what this sounds like". I don't think it was a reaction to anything in popular music. |
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Reply #29 posted 01/08/16 7:28am
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KingSausage said:
Aerogram said:
No due to lack of mumbling.
I wish so badly that most of the lyrics on HITNRUN Phase One, PLECTRUMRECTUM, and many other recent Prince albums were mumbled.
Long ago, there was an Orger named lowercasemumbles. He (?) only made 10 or 20 posts but they were pure gold!
lowercasemumbles, if your alter is reading this, please come back!
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