I had this really weird dream just now where it was a boring summer and someone on the org made a bunch of Lust Always (1987 version) themed tennis balls for their university that played the song when you hit it with a tennis racket. They made a booth on there campus and it had the 'Camille' typography on it and there was around 500 balls there and students could pick it up and play tennis and jam to a song they have never heard before.

Dilan said:

I had this really weird dream just now where it was a boring summer and someone on the org made a bunch of Lust Always (1987 version) themed tennis balls for their university that played the song when you hit it with a tennis racket. They made a booth on there campus and it had the 'Camille' typography on it and there was around 500 balls there and students could pick it up and play tennis and jam to a song they have never heard before.

cool

breakdown2k14 said:

The 1987 version ? The only version I know of is the 1982 version

There's a Camille version from 1987. Hasn't leaked. It was this version that P offered to Robert Palmer, but he turned it down.

Militant said:

breakdown2k14 said:

The 1987 version ? The only version I know of is the 1982 version

There's a Camille version from 1987. Hasn't leaked. It was this version that P offered to Robert Palmer, but he turned it down.

Well thanks to his dream Dilan has now heard it

I've already heard several uncirculating vault tracks in dreams over the years, meaning my brain has constructed full music tracks that do not in fact exist, with full instrumentation and Prince's voice, and it was really funky, and I find this pretty amazing by itself

Dilan said:

I had this really weird dream just now where it was a boring summer and someone on the org made a bunch of Lust Always (1987 version) themed tennis balls for their university that played the song when you hit it with a tennis racket. They made a booth on there campus and it had the 'Camille' typography on it and there was around 500 balls there and students could pick it up and play tennis and jam to a song they have never heard before.

Who cares.

filthyrichyuppie said:

Dilan said:

I had this really weird dream just now where it was a boring summer and someone on the org made a bunch of Lust Always (1987 version) themed tennis balls for their university that played the song when you hit it with a tennis racket. They made a booth on there campus and it had the 'Camille' typography on it and there was around 500 balls there and students could pick it up and play tennis and jam to a song they have never heard before.

Who cares.

Oh come on, sharing whatever experience related to being on a Prince fan, including dreams, is legitimate. Not essential but good old fun.

There's a lot of trollin' goin' on on the org, focus on fighting it instead.

databank said:

databank said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

Who cares.

Oh come on, sharing whatever experience related to being on a Prince fan, including dreams, is legitimate. Not essential but good old fun.

There's a lot of trollin' goin' on on the org, focus on fighting it instead.

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EmmaMcG said:

databank said:

Well thanks to his dream Dilan has now heard it

I've already heard several uncirculating vault tracks in dreams over the years, meaning my brain has constructed full music tracks that do not in fact exist, with full instrumentation and Prince's voice, and it was really funky, and I find this pretty amazing by itself

I had a dream where Prince and Terrence Trent Darby released a duet album. I woke up the next morning and I was really disappointed that it was only a dream.

Jesus

filthyrichyuppie said:

I rather doubt there is a proper 'Camille' version, in the sense of the use of that vocal effect.

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I presume that it merely one of the publishing pseudonyms l'heure (very late 1986/early 1987), and/or a direct tit-for-tat for the considerable influence of Robert Palmer's 'Addicted to Love' on 'U Got the Look' (there were many comparisons made in the media at that time), for whom I believe he dusted off/prepared the version 'Lust U Always' in question, and sent over for consideration on what would become the 1988 'Heavy Nova' album.

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Palmer evidently recorded vocals, or an entirely new version based on P's submission with his own musicians (ala Kenny Rogers' 'You're My Love'), as is indicated in the news snippet following this post.

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The track in question appears to originate from somewhere in the Spring-to-Fall 1984 interval, a complete re-recording of earlier material (1982), not unlike what he did that same year also with 'Possessed' (1983).

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Some of Palmer's earlier work, in particular 'Some Guys Have All the Luck', fits cosily with the Minneapolis/P sound, and of course his version of J&L's 'I Didn't Mean to Turn You On' made that Mlps track a pop smash. So it should come as no surprise that P might dig from this purple section of the Vault (not to mention that this material, by years, was not that old at the time, and he rarely records a song for a non-protege artist entirely from scratch).

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It would seem to have been tracked during a period P had considerable time to be in the studio (most likely Sunset Sound). I believe the lead synth (which parrots and reverberates the melody of the 'U're all I want to do' lyric) is Yamaha DX7, which he is said not to have been acquainted with prior to February 1984.

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I presume it was recorded at some point after finishing work on the PR album ~March/April 1984, but before commencement of the PR tour in November 1984. The production is a bit more 'evolved' (meaning progressive but not necessarily superior) compared to his late 1983/early 1984 sound (for instance, 'Traffic Jam'), but not as rushed or plasticky as the work on the 'Romance 1600' album recorded while on tour, nor slightly veering towards the Parade era as with some of 'The Family' album work.

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What appears to be an early or rough extended instrumental of this recording has been widely circulating since the late 1980's, famously mislabelled 'Divinity' by b-leggers and traders, and given various date attributions.

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Interestingly, this has to be among the last of the fully fledged, unadulterated 'purple' sound oriented material he recorded. That, and his touring commitments, are likely at least part of the reason this track became an outtake.

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It is, I suppose, possible that he revisited/updated this 1984 recording, or recorded an entirely new third version of it, in late 1986 during work on other 'Camille'-related material, in the same manner in which he revisited 1981's 'Feel U Up', for instance, but that possibility seems quite remote in my view.

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However, he most likely did work on the track in 1987 by mixing and editing it to present to Robert Palmer, who I believe P was quite confident would record and include the track on his follow-up to 'Riptide', at which time it was copyrighted in the 'Camille' pseudonym (displacing the then-recently used 'Joey Coco' and 'Christopher').

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Heavy Nova, the first EMI offering, was recorded over a period from last September to May and is the Riptide "anything goes" formula writ large. For Addicted To Love, read Simply Irresistible, the new single. For Riptide, check It Could Happen To You, from the Pennies From Heavenmusical. For sheer bemusement, hear Palmer yodelling his way through the reggae-ish tune called Change His Ways, a meditation obviously on his recent relocation from the Carribbean to the Swiss Alps. One of the tracks Palmer cut but which didn't make it on to the album was an unsolicited little number sent to him by Prince, Lust You Always. "I had to record it because I didn't want to offend the chap, did I? But I thought the lyric stank."

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imprimis said:

I rather doubt there is a proper 'Camille' version, in the sense of the use of that vocal effect.

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I presume that it merely one of the publishing pseudonyms l'heure (very late 1986/early 1987), and/or a direct tit-for-tat for the considerable influence of Robert Palmer's 'Addicted to Love' on 'U Got the Look' (there were many comparisons made in the media at that time), for whom I believe he dusted off/prepared the version 'Lust U Always' in question, and sent over for consideration on what would become the 1988 'Heavy Nova' album.

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Could be.

Prince's printed lyric sheet for this version it leaked, and it stated "Written by Camille". Whether that means he recorded it with the pitching or just labelled it that way......, who knows. I certainly hope it's the former.

Also, how rude and ungracious of Robert Palmer to make that quote. I never much cared for him after I found out what he did to The System. He rush-released his cover of "You Are In My System" whilst their original version was still out, which I think is a terrible thing to do to another artist. Not sure if he did the same to Cherrelle or not.

Militant said:

imprimis said:

I rather doubt there is a proper 'Camille' version, in the sense of the use of that vocal effect.

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I presume that it merely one of the publishing pseudonyms l'heure (very late 1986/early 1987), and/or a direct tit-for-tat for the considerable influence of Robert Palmer's 'Addicted to Love' on 'U Got the Look' (there were many comparisons made in the media at that time), for whom I believe he dusted off/prepared the version 'Lust U Always' in question, and sent over for consideration on what would become the 1988 'Heavy Nova' album.

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Could be.

Prince's printed lyric sheet for this version it leaked, and it stated "Written by Camille". Whether that means he recorded it with the pitching or just labelled it that way......, who knows. I certainly hope it's the former.

Also, how rude and ungracious of Robert Palmer to make that quote. I never much cared for him after I found out what he did to The System. He rush-released his cover of "You Are In My System" whilst their original version was still out, which I think is a terrible thing to do to another artist. Not sure if he did the same to Cherrelle or not.

you are in my system came out months later the following year and david frank from the system played on robet palmers version at roberts request, so he obviously agreed with the cover

i didn't mean to turn you on came out 2 years after the original. mariah carey also did a verion with jam and lewis on the soundtrack to the glitter movie

unique said:

Militant said:

Could be.

Prince's printed lyric sheet for this version it leaked, and it stated "Written by Camille". Whether that means he recorded it with the pitching or just labelled it that way......, who knows. I certainly hope it's the former.

Also, how rude and ungracious of Robert Palmer to make that quote. I never much cared for him after I found out what he did to The System. He rush-released his cover of "You Are In My System" whilst their original version was still out, which I think is a terrible thing to do to another artist. Not sure if he did the same to Cherrelle or not.

you are in my system came out months later the following year and david frank from the system played on robet palmers version at roberts request, so he obviously agreed with the cover

i didn't mean to turn you on came out 2 years after the original. mariah carey also did a verion with jam and lewis on the soundtrack to the glitter movie

David is a good friend of mine. I have a song coming out with him soon that he and my cousin produced and myself and Mic Murphy did the vocals on and other songs that are being worked on.

Yes, David played on it, he's a nice guy, but that doesn't mean that he and Mic agreed with it, but simply wanted to get some extra royalties. Palmer would have released the song regardless.


And for the record, the original came out in November 1982 and by Xmas, Palmer contacted them about the cover. As per David's own biog.

The next single, "You Are in My System" (November 1982), followed the same pattern by spreading to key markets around the country. Around Christmas, singer Robert Palmer contacted Frank about covering the song on his next album; after discussing the request with Murphy, they agreed to the cover. A cover battle ensued when Palmer released "You Are in My System" as a single at the same time as the original System single, but the System won hands down.

So my point stands. Covering someone's song a month after release is a fucked up thing to do, artistically.

Militant said:

unique said:

you are in my system came out months later the following year and david frank from the system played on robet palmers version at roberts request, so he obviously agreed with the cover

i didn't mean to turn you on came out 2 years after the original. mariah carey also did a verion with jam and lewis on the soundtrack to the glitter movie

David is a good friend of mine. I have a song coming out with him soon that he and my cousin produced and myself and Mic Murphy did the vocals on and other songs that are being worked on.

Yes, David played on it, he's a nice guy, but that doesn't mean that he and Mic agreed with it, but simply wanted to get some extra royalties. Palmer would have released the song regardless.


And for the record, the original came out in November 1982 and by Xmas, Palmer contacted them about the cover. As per David's own biog.

The next single, "You Are in My System" (November 1982), followed the same pattern by spreading to key markets around the country. Around Christmas, singer Robert Palmer contacted Frank about covering the song on his next album; after discussing the request with Murphy, they agreed to the cover. A cover battle ensued when Palmer released "You Are in My System" as a single at the same time as the original System single, but the System won hands down.

So my point stands. Covering someone's song a month after release is a fucked up thing to do, artistically.

you said "He rush-released his cover of "You Are In My System" whilst their original version was still out," however that's false. his cover didn't come out until months later, the following year

his cover of i didn't mean to turn you on came out years after the original

unique said:

Militant said:

David is a good friend of mine. I have a song coming out with him soon that he and my cousin produced and myself and Mic Murphy did the vocals on and other songs that are being worked on.

Yes, David played on it, he's a nice guy, but that doesn't mean that he and Mic agreed with it, but simply wanted to get some extra royalties. Palmer would have released the song regardless.


And for the record, the original came out in November 1982 and by Xmas, Palmer contacted them about the cover. As per David's own biog.

The next single, "You Are in My System" (November 1982), followed the same pattern by spreading to key markets around the country. Around Christmas, singer Robert Palmer contacted Frank about covering the song on his next album; after discussing the request with Murphy, they agreed to the cover. A cover battle ensued when Palmer released "You Are in My System" as a single at the same time as the original System single, but the System won hands down.

So my point stands. Covering someone's song a month after release is a fucked up thing to do, artistically.

you said "He rush-released his cover of "You Are In My System" whilst their original version was still out," however that's false. his cover didn't come out until months later, the following year

his cover of i didn't mean to turn you on came out years after the original

This is as per David's bio.

A cover battle ensued when Palmer released "You Are in My System" as a single at the same time as the original System single, but the System won hands down.

It seems that the original came out in November/Dec 1982 and Robert released his cover in early 1983.

I still say that's a messed up thing to do.

As for the rush-release....

"It was actually recorded after the rest of the Pride album had been completed when Palmer heard the original in a Paris club. He quickly flew back to cut it as an extra track."

You hear someone's hot new track in a club, and you quickly record your own version and release it as soon as possible? Fucked up.

Militant said:

unique said:

you said "He rush-released his cover of "You Are In My System" whilst their original version was still out," however that's false. his cover didn't come out until months later, the following year

his cover of i didn't mean to turn you on came out years after the original

This is as per David's bio.

A cover battle ensued when Palmer released "You Are in My System" as a single at the same time as the original System single, but the System won hands down.

It seems that the original came out in November/Dec 1982 and Robert released his cover in early 1983.

I still say that's a messed up thing to do.

As for the rush-release....

"It was actually recorded after the rest of the Pride album had been completed when Palmer heard the original in a Paris club. He quickly flew back to cut it as an extra track."

You hear someone's hot new track in a club, and you quickly record your own version and release it as soon as possible? Fucked up.

well that means as well as you being wrong, the bio is wrong, and both yourself and the person writing the bio didn't bother spending a few seconds fact checking either

technically you could say ANY album being released for sale now is on sale at the same time as ANY other album that's still on sale and not deleted, so you could say prince put 3121 on sale at the same time as the dark side of the moon by pink floyd was on sale, but it wouldn't really mean much

singles however are generally available for a shorter period, although can remain on sale for a longer period and be available as back catalogue, but generally singles are sold and available for a short period of a few weeks to promote an album, and that's the key sales period. so saying someone put a single on sale at the same time as someone elses single, when one single was released in august one year (not november/december as you have stated, seemingly without checking facts), and the other single was released a good 6 or 7 months later, is either just as meaningless or stretching the truth. saying he rush released the single at the same time however is simply incorrect

robert palmer was a very well known and reasonably succesful artist in the 80s and 90s at least, whilst the system aren't exactly a household name. it sounds like the person writing the bio is stretching things to say the least to embellish the story. there was no chart battle between two records released half a year apart in two seperate years

as for your assessment of the recording, i'm sure the system profited nicely from the royalties of the robert palmer version, which may well have generated more money than the royalties from the original version, from both the single and album sales. some artists will moan about covers of their songs whilst privately happy about the income it brings them as royalties from covers can sometimes be more than royalties from the original version. of course artists can sometimes have an ego or be jealous about things like that and later change the facts of a story if no-one will pick up on it

unique said:

Militant said:

This is as per David's bio.

A cover battle ensued when Palmer released "You Are in My System" as a single at the same time as the original System single, but the System won hands down.

It seems that the original came out in November/Dec 1982 and Robert released his cover in early 1983.

I still say that's a messed up thing to do.

As for the rush-release....

"It was actually recorded after the rest of the Pride album had been completed when Palmer heard the original in a Paris club. He quickly flew back to cut it as an extra track."

You hear someone's hot new track in a club, and you quickly record your own version and release it as soon as possible? Fucked up.

well that means as well as you being wrong, the bio is wrong, and both yourself and the person writing the bio didn't bother spending a few seconds fact checking either

technically you could say ANY album being released for sale now is on sale at the same time as ANY other album that's still on sale and not deleted, so you could say prince put 3121 on sale at the same time as the dark side of the moon by pink floyd was on sale, but it wouldn't really mean much

singles however are generally available for a shorter period, although can remain on sale for a longer period and be available as back catalogue, but generally singles are sold and available for a short period of a few weeks to promote an album, and that's the key sales period. so saying someone put a single on sale at the same time as someone elses single, when one single was released in august one year (not november/december as you have stated, seemingly without checking facts), and the other single was released a good 6 or 7 months later, is either just as meaningless or stretching the truth. saying he rush released the single at the same time however is simply incorrect

robert palmer was a very well known and reasonably succesful artist in the 80s and 90s at least, whilst the system aren't exactly a household name. it sounds like the person writing the bio is stretching things to say the least to embellish the story. there was no chart battle between two records released half a year apart in two seperate years

as for your assessment of the recording, i'm sure the system profited nicely from the royalties of the robert palmer version, which may well have generated more money than the royalties from the original version, from both the single and album sales. some artists will moan about covers of their songs whilst privately happy about the income it brings them as royalties from covers can sometimes be more than royalties from the original version. of course artists can sometimes have an ego or be jealous about things like that and later change the facts of a story if no-one will pick up on it

And yet the following things are still true:


1) The System weren't happy about the cover.
2) The cover was done way too close to the release of the original recording. Which is a shady thing to do.
3) Palmer's version sucks compared to the original.

Militant said:

unique said:

well that means as well as you being wrong, the bio is wrong, and both yourself and the person writing the bio didn't bother spending a few seconds fact checking either

technically you could say ANY album being released for sale now is on sale at the same time as ANY other album that's still on sale and not deleted, so you could say prince put 3121 on sale at the same time as the dark side of the moon by pink floyd was on sale, but it wouldn't really mean much

singles however are generally available for a shorter period, although can remain on sale for a longer period and be available as back catalogue, but generally singles are sold and available for a short period of a few weeks to promote an album, and that's the key sales period. so saying someone put a single on sale at the same time as someone elses single, when one single was released in august one year (not november/december as you have stated, seemingly without checking facts), and the other single was released a good 6 or 7 months later, is either just as meaningless or stretching the truth. saying he rush released the single at the same time however is simply incorrect

robert palmer was a very well known and reasonably succesful artist in the 80s and 90s at least, whilst the system aren't exactly a household name. it sounds like the person writing the bio is stretching things to say the least to embellish the story. there was no chart battle between two records released half a year apart in two seperate years

as for your assessment of the recording, i'm sure the system profited nicely from the royalties of the robert palmer version, which may well have generated more money than the royalties from the original version, from both the single and album sales. some artists will moan about covers of their songs whilst privately happy about the income it brings them as royalties from covers can sometimes be more than royalties from the original version. of course artists can sometimes have an ego or be jealous about things like that and later change the facts of a story if no-one will pick up on it

And yet the following things are still true:


1) The System weren't happy about the cover.
2) The cover was done way too close to the release of the original recording. Which is a shady thing to do.
3) Palmer's version sucks compared to the original.

wrong again

the first may be true, but the other 2 things are simply opinions and not facts, so not strictly "true" in accorance with the definition of the word

what is true is you were wrong about saying "He rush-released his cover of "You Are In My System" whilst their original version was still out"

original lol]\

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EmmaMcG said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

Jesus

I know. Funny thing is, I'm not that big a fan of TTD.

There's a cure for that: "Symphony or Damn" in heavy rotation for a month.