SoulAlive said:

databank said:

They're not "everywhere again". They're a niche market for a niche audience. Being "everywhere" would be vinyls in 1985: I don't think u can claim there ara as many vinyl releases, sales and shelves in the stores now than in 1985. Don't speak nonsense. Reality is what it is, regardless of how u feel about it. Sorry.

The point is....vinyl is still around.It never really went away.It'll be the same situation with CDs.There are alot of people (like myself) who still prefer to have a physical copy of an album.Record companies aren't going to abandon that audience.

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[Edited 12/23/15 11:14am]

A very small percentage of today's release and an even smaller number of past releases are available on vinyl and less and less on CD today. Niche product, that's what I say, not a lot of people. If it was a lot of people sales figues would show it, and I would know some of those people. Well, they don't and I don't. It's like leather hardback books: they still are in print but a very limited number of books and in very limited print. The fact that maybe 0,2% of books are leather hardbacks doesn't mean the format is exactly "everywhere", but yes, it still exists.

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In the 90's and up to the mid 2000's when vinyls became kind of hip, only DJ's kept the format alive.

Now there's a nostalgia factor for those who have grown-up in the time of vinyls. Then it became kind of a cool thing to own for hipsters (and not everyone is exactly a hipster).

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When everyone who's actually known and used vinyls as the main format is dead (i.e. everyone born before 1980 more or less), the nostalgia factor will fade away.

As for the hip factor, let's see how long it lasts. Probably for a long time because DJ's keep the format alive, but it'll remain a niche product.

CD's I don't know really how long they will last. They will decrease to numbers similar to vinyls within a decade and the problem is while singles kept vinyls alive thanks to DJ's, there's no market at all for CD singles anymore. Will CD's enjoy the same hip factor as vinyl do now, with dudes braggin' around that they have CD's at home to make the girls hot the way they do now with LP's? I'm not sure: as said above CD's are already digital, they're smaller and less classy objects, so I don't think so.

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Thing is on the long run with internet connexions getting fast beyond reason and storage capacities nearly unlimited, the same thing will happen to DVD/blu-ray and even books and comics (now that tablets allow one to read them comfortably in an armchair or in bed).

In a decade or 2 most records, movies, books and comics will be available only digitally, and there'll be a small market made of both major mainstream releases and some indy, hip releases kept on physical formats. Deluxe products and "cool" products.

People like you say "no it can't be people will always like physical" but they forget that in fact it's mostly a matter of habit and nostalgia: all those kids today couldn't care less: they've always consumed music and movies on a computer or tablet and it wouldn't even cross their mind to buy a CD or a DVD. Of course we'll have the usual counter example with a kid posting "I'm 18 and I dig CD's and DVD's" but counter examples are the exception not the rule: the niche market.

It's gonna take some more time with books and comics but it's already happening: ebooks sales are eating paper prints shares every year and will soon be dominant (if it's not already the case in some countries, as some figures suggest).

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You know this isn't even a topic for debate: people can say what they want, things are changing and there comes a point where there's just no going back, period.

I don't understand this stubborness in denying things that are happening. We are not debating over projections for the year 2100, we're talking about the here and now, about things that are happening, and u're saying that what is happening, isn't. I'm not denying you the right to enjoy your physical releases, just enjoy themp when they're available, but u need to accept the fact that more and more they won't: denying it won't change reality.

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joelmarable said:

I could do tidal, download music, but not everyone can afford this privilege, i think it sucks that buying cd's is history pretty much.i wait for physical copy or no i wont make purchase, i want phase 2 but will wait it out. Shame on u prince and the music industry,

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KingSausage said:

Print book sales are actually up compared to ebook sales, at least in the U.S. Books will hold out longer than CDs, for sure.

The change of habit is more violent because u actually hold a book all along reading it while u don't hold a CD or DVD. Even I still prefer paper but I'm sure with time reading on a screen will become more and more natural to me. And also not everyone has a tablet yet. I don't have one yet but I often read books on my GF's kindle and in the end it's still reading. Just I'll feel more comfy when I have a bigger tablet (kindles are tiny) and it's my own toy, njot someone else's

databank said:

databank said:

BoraBora said:

Well, no.

A CD will guarantee you to have music you like for many many years (more than your own life).

A digital backup or a stream not. And I talk by experience, in the first case.

To me this is a great difference. A fundamental difference.

This is the worst, most bad faith argument ever and it's been overused.

People who lose their digital files in 2015 are dummies who haven't thought of a back-up. This was acceptable in 2003, but now it's like throwing your CD's on the floor, dance on them with friends all night, then say "CD's are not reliable they're too fragile".

I have 3 back-ups of my files, one on a drive at some friends and 2 at home. If I had extra money to spare I could also have a cloud but having 3 TB's of cloud space is beyond my means at the moment. Drives on the other hand are pretty cheap.

A bit too rude statement, don't you think?!?!?!?

Good for you to have time and money to have 3 contemporary backups.

One morning years ago I woke up and my only HD backup was dead. Not smashin', not having previous problems, no advice at all. Just dead.

Fortunately I had a partial backup on another memory, but a lot of things were lost.

Now I have 2 of them, and the old one is ready to be replaced by a new one.

I don't know if it is "bad faith argument", as you said, but this is my experience.

You could tell me that it is "dummy" to not have 3 HD backup that you change year after year, I could agree with you apart from the "dummy" sentence, it is just a matter of taste and sometimes of opportunity.

Anyway, can you accept that for me (and I don't think to be alone) CD is better than all the digital world, from FLAC to MP3, from streaming to downloading?!?!?!?

Call me "dummy" but nothing give me the pleasure to dust off my 1988 original "Lovesexy" CD (today perfect as nearly 30 years ago) and to listen with my headphones. And "Lovesexy" was one of the various things I lost that time.

Sometimes I think for someone it's too simple to judge the oneanother opinion.

databank said:

speaking of vinyl...I just heard that Columia House is coming back,this time with a focus on vinyl records

Columbia House Seeks Revival as Vinyl Finds New Groove

The storied mail-order brand hopes it can turn the tables on the music industry’s 15-year digital drive

Columbia House Seeks Revi...oove - WSJ

databank said:

SoulAlive said:

The point is....vinyl is still around.It never really went away.It'll be the same situation with CDs.There are alot of people (like myself) who still prefer to have a physical copy of an album.Record companies aren't going to abandon that audience.

...

[Edited 12/23/15 11:14am]

A very small percentage of today's release and an even smaller number of past releases are available on vinyl and less and less on CD today. Niche product, that's what I say, not a lot of people. If it was a lot of people sales figues would show it, and I would know some of those people. Well, they don't and I don't. It's like leather hardback books: they still are in print but a very limited number of books and in very limited print. The fact that maybe 0,2% of books are leather hardbacks doesn't mean the format is exactly "everywhere", but yes, it still exists.

.

In the 90's and up to the mid 2000's when vinyls became kind of hip, only DJ's kept the format alive.

Now there's a nostalgia factor for those who have grown-up in the time of vinyls. Then it became kind of a cool thing to own for hipsters (and not everyone is exactly a hipster).

.

When everyone who's actually known and used vinyls as the main format is dead (i.e. everyone born before 1980 more or less), the nostalgia factor will fade away.

As for the hip factor, let's see how long it lasts. Probably for a long time because DJ's keep the format alive, but it'll remain a niche product.

CD's I don't know really how long they will last. They will decrease to numbers similar to vinyls within a decade and the problem is while singles kept vinyls alive thanks to DJ's, there's no market at all for CD singles anymore. Will CD's enjoy the same hip factor as vinyl do now, with dudes braggin' around that they have CD's at home to make the girls hot the way they do now with LP's? I'm not sure: as said above CD's are already digital, they're smaller and less classy objects, so I don't think so.

.

Thing is on the long run with internet connexions getting fast beyond reason and storage capacities nearly unlimited, the same thing will happen to DVD/blu-ray and even books and comics (now that tablets allow one to read them comfortably in an armchair or in bed).

In a decade or 2 most records, movies, books and comics will be available only digitally, and there'll be a small market made of both major mainstream releases and some indy, hip releases kept on physical formats. Deluxe products and "cool" products.

People like you say "no it can't be people will always like physical" but they forget that in fact it's mostly a matter of habit and nostalgia: all those kids today couldn't care less: they've always consumed music and movies on a computer or tablet and it wouldn't even cross their mind to buy a CD or a DVD. Of course we'll have the usual counter example with a kid posting "I'm 18 and I dig CD's and DVD's" but counter examples are the exception not the rule: the niche market.

It's gonna take some more time with books and comics but it's already happening: ebooks sales are eating paper prints shares every year and will soon be dominant (if it's not already the case in some countries, as some figures suggest).

.

You know this isn't even a topic for debate: people can say what they want, things are changing and there comes a point where there's just no going back, period.

I don't understand this stubborness in denying things that are happening. We are not debating over projections for the year 2100, we're talking about the here and now, about things that are happening, and u're saying that what is happening, isn't. I'm not denying you the right to enjoy your physical releases, just enjoy themp when they're available, but u need to accept the fact that more and more they won't: denying it won't change reality.

OK,when the day comes that I won't be able to purchase a CD of a new album,I will say that you were right but I honestly don't see that happening anytime soon.Reports of the demise of the CD have been greatly exaggerated.

BoraBora said:

databank said:

This is the worst, most bad faith argument ever and it's been overused.

People who lose their digital files in 2015 are dummies who haven't thought of a back-up. This was acceptable in 2003, but now it's like throwing your CD's on the floor, dance on them with friends all night, then say "CD's are not reliable they're too fragile".

I have 3 back-ups of my files, one on a drive at some friends and 2 at home. If I had extra money to spare I could also have a cloud but having 3 TB's of cloud space is beyond my means at the moment. Drives on the other hand are pretty cheap.

A bit too rude statement, don't you think?!?!?!?

Good for you to have time and money to have 3 contemporary backups.

One morning years ago I woke up and my only HD backup was dead. Not smashin', not having previous problems, no advice at all. Just dead.

Fortunately I had a partial backup on another memory, but a lot of things were lost.

Now I have 2 of them, and the old one is ready to be replaced by a new one.

I don't know if it is "bad faith argument", as you said, but this is my experience.

You could tell me that it is "dummy" to not have 3 HD backup that you change year after year, I could agree with you apart from the "dummy" sentence, it is just a matter of taste and sometimes of opportunity.

Anyway, can you accept that for me (and I don't think to be alone) CD is better than all the digital world, from FLAC to MP3, from streaming to downloading?!?!?!?

Call me "dummy" but nothing give me the pleasure to dust off my 1988 original "Lovesexy" CD (today perfect as nearly 30 years ago) and to listen with my headphones. And "Lovesexy" was one of the various things I lost that time.

Sometimes I think for someone it's too simple to judge the oneanother opinion.

Truth is hard drives don't fail so often. They're very cheap and it's not like u have to replace them every year (not to mention the fact that I haven't paid for an album or movie in years anyway, but that's another debate). I've lost 2 drives here in India most likely because of power instability (it fucks up EVERY device, including PC's), but in France I've never lost a drive. Back-ups are not really time consuming either if u're organized or even better if u're having a cloud with an autosave option. And explain to me how I'd be supposed to live abroad and travel around the world with my music collection if I was to move thusands of CD's everytime? Everything fits in a little box that I can take everywhere with me

I apologize if my words sounded insulting but I stand by the fact that not using technology properly isn't an excuse to condemn it. Fact is that when properly saved, ur music is safer even than on CD because with a back-up somewhere else or a cloud even if your house bruns to ashes your data is safe forever.

I have no problem accepting that one prefers a format over another. What infuriates me is when people start claiming that new, superior technology, is inferior using fallacious arguments like saving the data, or when they deny the reality that obsolete technology is disappearing when it is. Be my guest enjoying your physicial releases: I used to be a hardcore CD and VHS collector, I know that pleasure too. But do not use fallacious arguments to try and turn your personal preference into some kind of absolute truth.

SoulAlive said:

databank said:

A very small percentage of today's release and an even smaller number of past releases are available on vinyl and less and less on CD today. Niche product, that's what I say, not a lot of people. If it was a lot of people sales figues would show it, and I would know some of those people. Well, they don't and I don't. It's like leather hardback books: they still are in print but a very limited number of books and in very limited print. The fact that maybe 0,2% of books are leather hardbacks doesn't mean the format is exactly "everywhere", but yes, it still exists.

.

In the 90's and up to the mid 2000's when vinyls became kind of hip, only DJ's kept the format alive.

Now there's a nostalgia factor for those who have grown-up in the time of vinyls. Then it became kind of a cool thing to own for hipsters (and not everyone is exactly a hipster).

.

When everyone who's actually known and used vinyls as the main format is dead (i.e. everyone born before 1980 more or less), the nostalgia factor will fade away.

As for the hip factor, let's see how long it lasts. Probably for a long time because DJ's keep the format alive, but it'll remain a niche product.

CD's I don't know really how long they will last. They will decrease to numbers similar to vinyls within a decade and the problem is while singles kept vinyls alive thanks to DJ's, there's no market at all for CD singles anymore. Will CD's enjoy the same hip factor as vinyl do now, with dudes braggin' around that they have CD's at home to make the girls hot the way they do now with LP's? I'm not sure: as said above CD's are already digital, they're smaller and less classy objects, so I don't think so.

.

Thing is on the long run with internet connexions getting fast beyond reason and storage capacities nearly unlimited, the same thing will happen to DVD/blu-ray and even books and comics (now that tablets allow one to read them comfortably in an armchair or in bed).

In a decade or 2 most records, movies, books and comics will be available only digitally, and there'll be a small market made of both major mainstream releases and some indy, hip releases kept on physical formats. Deluxe products and "cool" products.

People like you say "no it can't be people will always like physical" but they forget that in fact it's mostly a matter of habit and nostalgia: all those kids today couldn't care less: they've always consumed music and movies on a computer or tablet and it wouldn't even cross their mind to buy a CD or a DVD. Of course we'll have the usual counter example with a kid posting "I'm 18 and I dig CD's and DVD's" but counter examples are the exception not the rule: the niche market.

It's gonna take some more time with books and comics but it's already happening: ebooks sales are eating paper prints shares every year and will soon be dominant (if it's not already the case in some countries, as some figures suggest).

.

You know this isn't even a topic for debate: people can say what they want, things are changing and there comes a point where there's just no going back, period.

I don't understand this stubborness in denying things that are happening. We are not debating over projections for the year 2100, we're talking about the here and now, about things that are happening, and u're saying that what is happening, isn't. I'm not denying you the right to enjoy your physical releases, just enjoy themp when they're available, but u need to accept the fact that more and more they won't: denying it won't change reality.

OK,when the day comes that I won't be able to purchase a CD of a new album,I will say that you were right but I honestly don't see that happening anytime soon.Reports of the demise of the CD have been greatly exaggerated.

See ya in a few years

SoulAlive said:

KingSausage said:

I don't think CDs will come back in the same way as vinyl. And I say that as a guy who still fucking buys CDs. Why not? Because they offer very little advantage compared to a digital download or stream.

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Almost all CDs I bought in the 1990s still play fine. Can't say the same about HDs I bought ten, fifteen years ago. Sure, in some ways digital is easier. But you also need to back it up, store it somewhere safe, etc. Which also costs money. Putting terabytes of music in the cloud isn't easy to do, and retrieving it neither.

laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

KingSausage said:

laurarichardson said:

-// Good God are you hard headed or just oblivious to what had already been stated. Vinyl is niche market at 30 and 40 dollars the masses will not be running out to get record players. You will not be buying any new CDs in ten years because no new music will be on that format and all of the old music will be gone. Next you will be telling us cassette tapes are coming back 😱

Actually, cassette sales are way up. They're coming back. Well, "coming back." There's been lots of coverage of this. I think it's ludicrous, but it's true.

A few artists and record labels I follow have been putting out limited cassettes of late. I can't see them making a return in the mainstream, I think it's more of a collectors thing.

laurarichardson said:

KingSausage said:

NorthC said:

Columbia House To Relaunch With Vinyl

by Tom Breihan @tombreihan | December 23, 2015

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https://twitter.com/drfun...0878510080

laurarichardson said:

KingSausage said:

laurarichardson said:

--- Were are people going to go to buy the players?

No idea. Crazy, isn't it?

... URBAN OUTFITTERS... The largest company for U.S. record sales... The whole "vintage, retro" is a fad now for the young generation.

KingSausage said:

laurarichardson said:

--- Were are people going to go to buy the players?

No idea. Crazy, isn't it?

I still see cassette walkmans for sale in CVS stores.I'm serious

SoulAlive said:

KingSausage said:

SoulAlive said:

I still see cassette walkmans for sale in CVS stores.I'm serious

I wanted to ask where do you live, but WHEN do you live?!

I live in Atlanta, and I see them in CVS also. But I still have a cassette deck anyway, but I only have a few tapes left in my music collection.

KingSausage said:

SoulAlive said:

I still see cassette walkmans for sale in CVS stores.I'm serious

I wanted to ask where do you live, but WHEN do you live?!

I am in California