Pentacle said:

Funkyalien said:

Be quiet around here. I love it just like this.

Yes, that is probably why he sounds so rambling. 'Cause he only has the walls to share

his thoughts with.

And still the constant use of 'we', which reminds me of people in the nuthouse

who think they're Napoleon.

I had to carefully re-read the article after reading your comment. I found one instance (see below) of the word "we" that maybe could be interpreted to be meant as "I", but mostly only if you have an agenda. Every other instance it was quite obvious who the "we" referred to.

So, I gotta ask..... what's your agenda? You literally made this business up about "the constant use of 'we'...". Why did you do that?

*The one instance: [in the context of people claiming 'this song is about me'] "So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say."

Pentacle said:

TrevorAyer said:

paulludvig said:

I quite like this interview and don't think Prince sounds bitter. He gives props to Morris Day, Eric Leeds, Dr Fink (and Josh ). He admits he finds it hard to trust people (that's what the story about the coat is about, not money). That comes with the territory when you're a celebrity. He don't like people psychoanalysing him and telling false stories about him (who would?). He's genuinely into music and enjoys creating and playing music with other people. He rightly think he has something to teach in this regard.

Exactly. There seems to be an awful lot of overreacting going on here. To be honest, I've been pretty shocked by the amount of vitriol being chucked around.

The thing that spoke to me was when he talked about making music with Morris. It gave me more insight into how he thinks today than all the other stuff most people here want to bang on about.

"You know, it was Morris playing drums and me on the bass. That’s how we would make the basic track. Naked. Just like that, and nobody would know. And then when you put the keys on it and the guitar, then that’s what The Time was. And it was perfect. Going through it now, I can hear all that stuff. Like “The Walk.” I hadn’t heard “The Walk” in ages. It’s like you can’t believe that you did it. I don’t even know how it’s possible. I don’t. I do but I don’t. That can never be duplicated again. It was a time period."

paulludvig said:

TrevorAyer said:

If you are a christian and not a sociopathic liar, when you give, whether it be a coat or a million dollars, you do so with zero expectation or strings attached. P also thinks if you stand in his room and play your own music, he owns that too and has every right to all the money made from your music. P even rerecords your musical contribution himself so as to keep more money for himself. Prince true colors show the more real talents refuse to work with him.
[Edited 12/23/15 7:01am]
[Edited 12/23/15 7:02am]

And you get all that from this interview?

iZsaZsa said:

Pentacle said:

I like you too/u2. Just/but not the band.

You can find the press releases on-line/on this site.

I also think that removing all you tweets shortly after posting them, is a bit dodgy.

Oh, no. Not that again. Prince said it's the same record. Y'all are hard-headed.

Yes, that again. Press releases. Official promises.

What he said was an off-hand comment in an interview, and we hoped he was just

referring to the remastering of the already released tracks, which is indeed: the same record,

but it sounds much better.

jasopig said:

I had to carefully re-read the article after reading your comment. I found one instance (see below) of the word "we" that maybe could be interpreted to be meant as "I", but mostly only if you have an agenda. Every other instance it was quite obvious who the "we" referred to.

So, I gotta ask..... what's your agenda? You literally made this business up about "the constant use of 'we'...". Why did you do that?

*The one instance: [in the context of people claiming 'this song is about me'] "So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say."

- So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say.

- And some of our fans were actually disingenuous

- And we pride ourselves with working with the best people

- Comparisons with this, that and the other, we never thought of ourselves as having competition with anybody.

I think he was so worked up, that he actually forgot to use the royal we as much as he usually does (and you know he does), and reverted to 'I' and 'my'.

jasopig said:

Pentacle said:

Yes, that is probably why he sounds so rambling. 'Cause he only has the walls to share

his thoughts with.

And still the constant use of 'we', which reminds me of people in the nuthouse

who think they're Napoleon.

I had to carefully re-read the article after reading your comment. I found one instance (see below) of the word "we" that maybe could be interpreted to be meant as "I", but mostly only if you have an agenda. Every other instance it was quite obvious who the "we" referred to.

So, I gotta ask..... what's your agenda? You literally made this business up about "the constant use of 'we'...". Why did you do that?

*The one instance: [in the context of people claiming 'this song is about me'] "So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say."

I hope Prince has a Napolean complex. In fact, I'm sure he has it. Why not? I don't want Prince to be normal and sensible. He's not. He lives in his own world and is a creative person. He is quirky. If he was normal and sensible he would be like us. Or Lionel Richie.

MattyJam said:

I don't believe he never span Condensate.

God, he's so passive aggressive sometimes.

Why's that hard to believe? I doubt he obsesses over former band mates new projects.

tollyc said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I don't think she said that. Her purpose was to get everything that was laying around and unorganized, and put it one place, effectively creating "The Vault."

Exactly. In theory, she screed more about his music and legacy back then than he did. Instead of ripping her, he should be thanking her. I know a lot of fans on this org would have moved on from prince save for that occasional moment of brilliance that comes our way in the form of an unreleased gem.

why its his shit,,to do with as he pleases..period, adnd he clapped back on those who want to continue talking about what thier intentions arew with his stuff

paulludvig said:

I quite like this interview and don't think Prince sounds bitter. He gives props to Morris Day, Eric Leeds, Dr Fink (and Josh ). He admits he finds it hard to trust people (that's what the story about the coat is about, not money). That comes with the territory when you're a celebrity. He don't like people psychoanalysing him and telling false stories about him (who would?). He's genuinely into music and enjoys creating and playing music with other people. He rightly thinks he has something to teach in this regard.

[Edited 12/23/15 7:20am]

exactly, this folks on here getting all emo cuz P clapped back on a few folks is laughable .,,he didnt sound bitter at all

paulludvig said:

TrevorAyer said:

If you are a christian and not a sociopathic liar, when you give, whether it be a coat or a million dollars, you do so with zero expectation or strings attached. P also thinks if you stand in his room and play your own music, he owns that too and has every right to all the money made from your music. P even rerecords your musical contribution himself so as to keep more money for himself. Prince true colors show the more real talents refuse to work with him. [Edited 12/23/15 7:01am] [Edited 12/23/15 7:02am]

And you get all that from this interview?

yes, trevor, do tell how you came up with that

paulludvig said:

TrevorAyer said:

If you are a christian and not a sociopathic liar, when you give, whether it be a coat or a million dollars, you do so with zero expectation or strings attached. P also thinks if you stand in his room and play your own music, he owns that too and has every right to all the money made from your music. P even rerecords your musical contribution himself so as to keep more money for himself. Prince true colors show the more real talents refuse to work with him. [Edited 12/23/15 7:01am] [Edited 12/23/15 7:02am]

And you get all that from this interview?

I get all that from life .. its basic morals and psychology .. i get from the interview that prince is bitter and extremely negative toward people he has worked with .. he has fall outs constantly with people who contribute to HIS (supposedly) music .. what happened with the time (o7) family (fdeluxe) .. sheila on the welcome 2 tour when she got fed up .. now shelby and others are moving on even tho they aren't nearly as talented as the others who helped p get rich .. p goes on and on about how others can't improvise live, yet p improv skillz are a huge fail .. he worries about how everyone wants credit yet he fails to give appropriate credit or recognize basic things like how good of a soloist fink really was .. hearing him even in the lovesexy band brings those moments to life .. every solo fink plays is freaking beautiful .. prince just be playing the same exact guitar solo in every different song .. p could still learn a lot from fink .. to hear him bitch about others selling his clothes when he has so much money and damn sure enough clothes (yet no paper bag to cover his smug spoilt face) is just gross .. p is the guy with all the power playing the victim because he thinks it makes him look less selfish but it has the opposite effect .. and p sure don't give credit or money where it is due and he sure has no allegedly christian values (altho what christian does these days? .. bunch of hypocrites ignore everything jesus supposedly says, p included) .. i know he is mad cuz he hasn't been able to push a single record in 2 decades to even moderate success .. yeah maybe he faked out the charts for a quick minute hear and there with his loopholes and payola .. the merit of those alleged successes quickly reveals itself with each new thud of a release ..

TrevorAyer said:

paulludvig said:

TrevorAyer said: And you get all that from this interview?

I get all that from life .. its basic morals and psychology .. i get from the interview that prince is bitter and extremely negative toward people he has worked with .. he has fall outs constantly with people who contribute to HIS (supposedly) music .. what happened with the time (o7) family (fdeluxe) .. sheila on the welcome 2 tour when she got fed up .. now shelby and others are moving on even tho they aren't nearly as talented as the others who helped p get rich .. p goes on and on about how others can't improvise live, yet p improv skillz are a huge fail .. he worries about how everyone wants credit yet he fails to give appropriate credit or recognize basic things like how good of a soloist fink really was .. hearing him even in the lovesexy band brings those moments to life .. every solo fink plays is freaking beautiful .. prince just be playing the same exact guitar solo in every different song .. p could still learn a lot from fink .. to hear him bitch about others selling his clothes when he has so much money and damn sure enough clothes (yet no paper bag to cover his smug spoilt face) is just gross .. p is the guy with all the power playing the victim because he thinks it makes him look less selfish but it has the opposite effect .. and p sure don't give credit or money where it is due and he sure has no allegedly christian values (altho what christian does these days? .. bunch of hypocrites ignore everything jesus supposedly says, p included) .. i know he is mad cuz he hasn't been able to push a single record in 2 decades to even moderate success .. yeah maybe he faked out the charts for a quick minute hear and there with his loopholes and payola .. the merit of those alleged successes quickly reveals itself with each new thud of a release ..

Exactly. You've have to be beyond delusional to not get "bitter old man" vibes from this nonsense interview.

TrevorAyer said:

paulludvig said:

TrevorAyer said: And you get all that from this interview?

I get all that from life .. its basic morals and psychology .. i get from the interview that prince is bitter and extremely negative toward people he has worked with .. he has fall outs constantly with people who contribute to HIS (supposedly) music .. what happened with the time (o7) family (fdeluxe) .. sheila on the welcome 2 tour when she got fed up .. now shelby and others are moving on even tho they aren't nearly as talented as the others who helped p get rich .. p goes on and on about how others can't improvise live, yet p improv skillz are a huge fail .. he worries about how everyone wants credit yet he fails to give appropriate credit or recognize basic things like how good of a soloist fink really was .. hearing him even in the lovesexy band brings those moments to life .. every solo fink plays is freaking beautiful .. prince just be playing the same exact guitar solo in every different song .. p could still learn a lot from fink .. to hear him bitch about others selling his clothes when he has so much money and damn sure enough clothes (yet no paper bag to cover his smug spoilt face) is just gross .. p is the guy with all the power playing the victim because he thinks it makes him look less selfish but it has the opposite effect .. and p sure don't give credit or money where it is due and he sure has no allegedly christian values (altho what christian does these days? .. bunch of hypocrites ignore everything jesus supposedly says, p included) .. i know he is mad cuz he hasn't been able to push a single record in 2 decades to even moderate success .. yeah maybe he faked out the charts for a quick minute hear and there with his loopholes and payola .. the merit of those alleged successes quickly reveals itself with each new thud of a release ..

Anytime people wotrk together, within music or not, fallouts happen, period!..Not sure where you work or yoru background; I'm in software IBM. PTC, Solidworks etc and time and time again, folks fallout as they dont think they are value or conversely they over inflate their contributions..And he stated Fink didnt improvise,,where you there he would know,,the revolution werent an improvisiational band, and for you to state what someone thinks or what goes on in someones mind makes you the real asshole here

RobotDevil said:

TrevorAyer said:

Why is KCOOLMUSIQ always so crony and blindingly posiive toward ? Yet oddly know EVERY SINGLE DETAIL OF HIS LIFE!

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paulludvig said:

TrevorAyer said:

Actually he says Fink is 'incredible', but don't let that stop you.

Yes, but it comes off as a backhanded compliment because of the way he goes on about improvising. That's where the real musicians are at, according to Prince, and Fink doesn't fit that bill.

It's the same with the coat: I think he has a right to be angry when someone first steals the coat, and then sells it on top of that. But within the context of the interview, where he seems to lambast a lot of people from his professional past, and says things like 'Who did that? Bring them to me' (remember Voldemort? 'Find Severus. Bring him to me!')... Add all those negative things in the interview up and he doesn't come off good.

funksterr said:

Polo1026 said:

So Prince has 1000 coats why should he worry about the single coat a supposed friend stole and sold for profit? I'm guessing that seems strange to people but maybe you're right, Prince only cares about if he Dickerson called him up and said hey brother I stole your purple rain trench coat and I'm gonna sell it for 10k, I'm gonna give you a piece of the pie. I am sure that would have made it all right with Prince. It's not like he stewed about this in the media before or something. Yeah I guess it's ok that just because Prince is rich that those less well off should be able to pimp shit off him and eat too. There really isn't anything wrong with that right? Yeah so let's move on.

Prince is known to leave his shit everywhere, are we sure it was actually stolen? Sheila E sold his outfits at a garage sale. Mayte sold clothes. I remember Wendy and Lisa referencing some clothes he left with them. Remember the ex-girlfriend who tried to Ebay a jacket Prince gave to her and he blocked the sale? Prince has a history of feeling exploited when anyone profits around him even when they acquired the item legitimately. The entire article is about the same old thing: Money, money, money. I'm soooo important, The Beatles got paid more than me and I've got way more (crap) albums than they do. On and obnoxiously on.

Honestly, if Dez fell on hard times and sold a jacket, it's not THAT big of a deal. Prince has plenty of those bullsht PR jackets. Prince has been (no pun intended) rich too long. He's like those folks in your family who got a good job early in life, and don't remember what's it's like when hard times hit. I would be more impressed if Prince heard Dez needed money and put him to work. Bitching about it later in an interview, just shows how petty and stuck on himself he really is.

Uh huh because you know EXACTLY how they got his clothes and Prince constantly bitches about being taken advantage of in interviews with the media. I am so glad we have an inside source like you who is clearly privy to the full truth of these complicated relationships and therefore you have the proper perspective and vision with which to judge this human being and the individuals involved. Lastly, If a friend left his jacket in your house does that mean it's now your jacket? If your friend never came to get it, wouldn't you try to either delivery it or mail it to him? I find it interesting that because Prince 'leaves his shit everywhere' that that somehow relieves him of ownership of his shit and absolves the person who took it upon themselves to shall we say 'care for it' of theft.

Pentacle said:

paulludvig said:

TrevorAyer said: Actually he says Fink is 'incredible', but don't let that stop you.

Yes, but it comes off as a backhanded compliment because of the way he goes on about improvising. That's where the real musicians are at, according to Prince, and Fink doesn't fit that bill.

It's the same with the coat: I think he has a right to be angry when someone first steals the coat, and then sells it on top of that. But within the context of the interview, where he seems to lambast a lot of people from his professional past, and says things like 'Who did that? Bring them to me' (remember Voldemort? 'Find Severus. Bring him to me!')... Add all those negative things in the interview up and he doesn't come off good.

what if Fink agreed with his statement?

TrevorAyer said:

paulludvig said:

TrevorAyer said: And you get all that from this interview?

I get all that from life .. its basic morals and psychology .. i get from the interview that prince is bitter and extremely negative toward people he has worked with .. he has fall outs constantly with people who contribute to HIS (supposedly) music .. what happened with the time (o7) family (fdeluxe) .. sheila on the welcome 2 tour when she got fed up .. now shelby and others are moving on even tho they aren't nearly as talented as the others who helped p get rich .. p goes on and on about how others can't improvise live, yet p improv skillz are a huge fail .. he worries about how everyone wants credit yet he fails to give appropriate credit or recognize basic things like how good of a soloist fink really was .. hearing him even in the lovesexy band brings those moments to life .. every solo fink plays is freaking beautiful .. prince just be playing the same exact guitar solo in every different song .. p could still learn a lot from fink .. to hear him bitch about others selling his clothes when he has so much money and damn sure enough clothes (yet no paper bag to cover his smug spoilt face) is just gross .. p is the guy with all the power playing the victim because he thinks it makes him look less selfish but it has the opposite effect .. and p sure don't give credit or money where it is due and he sure has no allegedly christian values (altho what christian does these days? .. bunch of hypocrites ignore everything jesus supposedly says, p included) .. i know he is mad cuz he hasn't been able to push a single record in 2 decades to even moderate success .. yeah maybe he faked out the charts for a quick minute hear and there with his loopholes and payola .. the merit of those alleged successes quickly reveals itself with each new thud of a release ..

Wow, you seem like a bitter musician. How could you derive something so personal from a man you do not know, an an outsider? how do you know what P worries about personally or even know about his relationship with former band mates. Have you personally interviewed them? have you heard Matt Fink's solo work? It freaking AWFUL. P has NOTHING to learn from Matt Fink and I'm a fan of Matt Fink as part of the Revolution.

lwr001 said:

what if Fink agreed with his statement?

Sure, maybe he does.
But there was no real reason to bring this up.

And just the way it was phrased: And Fink, he’s incredible at that: something he’s practiced.

It's like saying he's a trained monkey.

Maybe Prince didn't mean it that way but because most of the interview is so negative...

Pentacle said:

lwr001 said:

what if Fink agreed with his statement?

Sure, maybe he does.
But there was no real reason to bring this up.

And just the way it was phrased: And Fink, he’s incredible at that: something he’s practiced.

It's like saying he's a trained monkey.

Maybe Prince didn't mean it that way but because most of the interview is so negative...

I didnt take it that way, maybe its the truth but I could see how saying that a musician dont know how to jam can be taken a certain way.

Pentacle said:

lwr001 said:

what if Fink agreed with his statement?

Sure, maybe he does.
But there was no real reason to bring this up.

And just the way it was phrased: And Fink, he’s incredible at that: something he’s practiced.

It's like saying he's a trained monkey.

Maybe Prince didn't mean it that way but because most of the interview is so negative...

well good , we know you dont like, and so what...not everyone is easily offended

Polo1026 said:

funksterr said:

Prince is known to leave his shit everywhere, are we sure it was actually stolen? Sheila E sold his outfits at a garage sale. Mayte sold clothes. I remember Wendy and Lisa referencing some clothes he left with them. Remember the ex-girlfriend who tried to Ebay a jacket Prince gave to her and he blocked the sale? Prince has a history of feeling exploited when anyone profits around him even when they acquired the item legitimately. The entire article is about the same old thing: Money, money, money. I'm soooo important, The Beatles got paid more than me and I've got way more (crap) albums than they do. On and obnoxiously on.

Honestly, if Dez fell on hard times and sold a jacket, it's not THAT big of a deal. Prince has plenty of those bullsht PR jackets. Prince has been (no pun intended) rich too long. He's like those folks in your family who got a good job early in life, and don't remember what's it's like when hard times hit. I would be more impressed if Prince heard Dez needed money and put him to work. Bitching about it later in an interview, just shows how petty and stuck on himself he really is.

Uh huh because you know EXACTLY how they got his clothes and Prince constantly bitches about being taken advantage of in interviews with the media. I am so glad we have an inside source like you who is clearly privy to the full truth of these complicated relationships and therefore you have the proper perspective and vision with which to judge this human being and the individuals involved. Lastly, If a friend left his jacket in your house does that mean it's now your jacket? If your friend never came to get it, wouldn't you try to either delivery it or mail it to him? I find it interesting that because Prince 'leaves his shit everywhere' that that somehow relieves him of ownership of his shit and absolves the person who took it upon themselves to shall we say 'care for it' of theft.

same with no doubt ... total backhanded insult / compliment .. and of course p has no friends because everyone is so intimidated by him .. pshh .. the emperor has no clothes, nobody tells him the truth in his circle if he talks like that and thinks he is all spiritual and good hearted

Pentacle said: