tongueinthecrease said:

datdude said:

I know right. Mofos need to get lives! For REAL!! They make the org almost unbearable. I have to avoid certain threads and cherry pick others

Threads like this make me want to go back to being a lurker lol. It's hilarious as a new fan seeing how much tension there is here. :lol:

In the past it was even crazier. I lurked for about 10 years(did make an account in 2002, posted once, then deleted said account) before signing up(2nd time) in 2011. Shit was sometimes too intense for me.

Anyway, as far as the interview. It wasn't as bad as i thought it would be. I still think that Prince is a trip though. I don't particularly care for certain aspects of his personality, and i disagree with the way he sometimes treats his former band members, and others. I do wish him contentment though. And if he does have that, then what more can i say. Also, we all have to acknowledge that he guy has given us(people who enjoy music) a whole hell of a lot. Still though. I wish he wouldn't do some of the things that he does.

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BartVanHemelen said:

iZsaZsa said:

"EBONY: Will you be remastering the catalog? Prince: Hopefully, yeah. A new Greatest Hits. Because I never had anything to do with [The Hits/The B-Sides]. But put great liner notes in it to explain what record came from what and why." Yeah, hopefully! I'll never take anyone elses word on "what, what and why" anymore anyway.

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Except that Prince is a proven liar -- which is why he doesn't want his interviews recorded and for a while even forbade taking notes, so he could later claim that he didn't say "stupid thing X". Of course, then he goes on TV and babbles about chem trails.

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Hell, there's a bunch of BS in the liner notes to CB, even though they were barely more than a few lines at best.

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murph said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Except that Prince is a proven liar -- which is why he doesn't want his interviews recorded and for a while even forbade taking notes, so he could later claim that he didn't say "stupid thing X". Of course, then he goes on TV and babbles about chem trails.

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Hell, there's a bunch of BS in the liner notes to CB, even though they were barely more than a few lines at best.

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murph said:

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Please no, he's one of the few here who doesn't write bulls**t.

BartVanHemelen said:

I do hope that Prince realizes that the few people who find him "sad" and "pathetic" are not representative of people likely to buy his music. Some of them clearly have longstanding personal issues with him, as if he used to be their best pal and then some shit went on and now they're here forever trying not to miss another chance to express their anger one more time like a jilted lover who can't move on.

I liked the interview because it's true that Prince created this environment that was like an Academy. He's rightfully proud of his contribution to American music and in time, it will be celebrated like today in film history we celebrate the contribution of early pioneers who started it all. These men and women were hardly perfect, all sorts of accusations can be made about them, from actual authorship to abuse, but it's understood they were the driving force that enabled all others to develop.

When Charlie Chaplin left the studio where he first became famous, he eventually went on to create some of the greatest movies ever made.

By comparison, very few Prince collaborators went on to establish a greater profile than they had with him. Obviously Jam and Lewis had a great deal of success but they also benefited handsomely from the sound Prince popularized and to which they themselves contributed under his wing. Wendy and Lisa had their own band and went on to score shows expertly, but they did not make a big splash on their own that is anywhere near comparable to what they had with Prince. Of all the performers, Morris had the best chance to establish a greater profile, but that was short-lived. Jessy had two successful records and it seemed he would be around to maintain that profile but then I guess he was too associated with the Minneapolis Sound to move on once that sound was overexposed. There's Andre, who was a respected producer after his own efforts as a solo artist did not translate into personal stardom. Sheila E. was one of the few who went on to maintain an enviable public profile as a performer thanks to her drumming -- she had an enviable career before she even met Prince so that helps.

Prince is justifiably proud of his "academy" and his body of work, it's too bad some fans are unwilling to give him the respect he deserves but then again fans are known to form very personal expectations toward a public figure and to act like they're on a first-name basis. Fake familiarity breeds contempt, as this thread demonstrates.

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vc40 said:

murph said:

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Please no, he's one of the few here who doesn't write bulls**t.

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Aerogram said:

I do hope that Prince realizes that the few people who find him "sad" and "pathetic" are not representative of people likely to buy his music. Some of them clearly have longstanding personal issues with him, as if he used to be their best pal and then some shit went on and now they're here forever trying not to miss another chance to express their anger one more time like a jilted lover who can't move on.

I liked the interview because it's true that Prince created this environment that was like an Academy. He's rightfully proud of his contribution to American music and in time, it will be celebrated like today in film history we celebrate the contribution of early pioneers who started it all. These men and women were hardly perfect, all sorts of accusations can be made about them, from actual authorship to abuse, but it's understood they were the driving force that enabled all others to develop.

When Charlie Chaplin left the studio where he first became famous, he eventually went on to create some of the greatest movies ever made.

By comparison, very few Prince collaborators went on to establish a greater profile than they had with him. Obviously Jam and Lewis had a great deal of success but they also benefited handsomely from the sound Prince popularized and to which they themselves contributed under his wing. Wendy and Lisa had their own band and went on to score shows expertly, but they did not make a big splash on their own that is anywhere near comparable to what they had with Prince. Of all the performers, Morris had the best chance to establish a greater profile, but that was short-lived. Jessy had two successful records and it seemed he would be around to maintain that profile but then I guess he was too associated with the Minneapolis Sound to move on once that sound was overexposed. There's Andre, who was a respected producer after his own efforts as a solo artist did not translate into personal stardom. Sheila E. was one of the few who went on to maintain an enviable public profile as a performer thanks to her drumming -- she had an enviable career before she even met Prince so that helps.

Prince is justifiably proud of his "academy" and his body of work, it's too bad some fans are unwilling to give him the respect he deserves but then again fans are known to form very personal expectations toward a public figure and to act like they're on a first-name basis. Fake familiarity breeds contempt, as this thread demonstrates.

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perfectly stated. there are few orgers who simply have a negative fixsation on Prince. I personally would have banned Bart years ago. Trolls in general have a personality disorder that is allowed full reign on the internet.

The subject of the thread is at the top of the thread. It isn't the posting history of a member.

If you do not like what they have to say, respond constructively to the opinion they have made on the subject of the thread.

If you consider a post is a rule infringement, please use the Report To Moderator option, citing the Reply number and the rule you think has been broken.

Then move on by adding to the subject of the thread discussion if you have something further of a value to contribute to the discussion on the subject of the thread.

Core points:

Just release it!

The rest is bullcrap. So shut up.

The thing about Puffy is weird. Unless he means they wanted a Puffy remix to be promoted as a single. Plenty of remixes have been commissioned of Prince's music and some around the same time. For example, my friend QD3 (Quincy Jones III) remixed "Letitgo" and it was on the single release. That was the same era. And of course there was The Neptunes remix of TGRES with Eve.

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Prince does say some funny shit sometimes , but i can laugh about it , others seem too take to much to heart.

jdcxc said:

Militant said:

The thing about Puffy is weird. Unless he means they wanted a Puffy remix to be promoted as a single. Plenty of remixes have been commissioned of Prince's music and some around the same time. For example, my friend QD3 (Quincy Jones III) remixed "Letitgo" and it was on the single release. That was the same era. And of course there was The Neptunes remix of TGRES with Eve.

Exquisite remix....and one of my personal favorites!

BartVanHemelen said:

prittypriss said:

I'm apparently not reading in this interview what many on this thread seem to be reading in this interview. One thing to keep in mind is that we weren't there. We didn't hear the tone of the conversation, the vocal inflections, the vibe of the moment. We can only read the words that were said, and as such, given that we don't know the vibe of that moment, we interpret it the way we want to interpret it. We put our own spin on those words and read something into it that isn't there. And there are a lot of people on the org that like to diss on Prince and that's evident in this thread. The man has released a lot of music over the years, some brilliant master pieces that will continue to be enjoyed for many years to come, some misses (and that's okay), and yet he gets no respect from his so-called fan base. I don't know, maybe I'm just not reading the interview in the right tone, but I don't see him being bitter at all. To me, the man was just talking about things as they came up with someone he thought he could trust to keep it off the record and he was just having a normal moment with someone - something that we all have with friends from time to time - and then it was published, making what was a private conversation, a public spectacle (and only a spectacle because people will read into it what they want to read into it). Let the man have a normal moment in his life without his fans making it a big deal and turning it into something it's not.

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"Prince cannot fail, he can only be failed."

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I didn't say that, Bart. We all have the potential to fail and to be failed. I am saying Prince has the right to protect his image and his art. He has the right to release whatever material he wants to release. He is not a slave to his fans, though from the sounds of it, there are many that would make him such. I did not read in the interview what so many on here seem to have read. I didn't see the negativity in the interview that so many want to read in it. Maybe those that are reading the negativity into it, read negatively into everything that Prince does and no matter what he says or does, they'll find something negative in it. Prince has put out some enviable work over the years, and some not so enviable work, but as a whole his work is the culmination of a life-time spent doing what he loves, which is making music. Not everyone can say they have spent their lives living what they love. But there are people here, people who claim to be fans, that want to force that love into the image they see, rather than letting that love flow in the direction it flows. Art doesn't work like that, it can't be forced into anything. Has Prince made mistakes in his business dealings over the years? Have you made mistakes in your life? The man has the right to live, breathe, create, love, and do whatever Prince does in his own pursuit of happiness. He has the right to protect his image and his art. He has the right to some private moments, private conversations, without people reading into every little thing he says and does and twist those things to suit their own agenda.

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You know, just as Prince's art has flowed over the years into various directions, some that people may like, some that people may not, his image has flowed with that too, though. Some people want to put him back into his Purple Rain outfit, fit him with the same band from that era, and make his art flow in that same way. They want him to remain who he was. But are you the same person today you were 30 years ago? Would you make the same decisions today you made 30 years ago? If not, why criticize someone else for having changed and evolved over the years? He is who he is. He deserves respect for the art he has created. What he doesn't deserve is the fan base he has that can only ever see him as he was, and can't accept him as he is.

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Aerogram said:

I do hope that Prince realizes that the few people who find him "sad" and "pathetic" are not representative of people likely to buy his music. Some of them clearly have longstanding personal issues with him, as if he used to be their best pal and then some shit went on and now they're here forever trying not to miss another chance to express their anger one more time like a jilted lover who can't move on.

I liked the interview because it's true that Prince created this environment that was like an Academy. He's rightfully proud of his contribution to American music and in time, it will be celebrated like today in film history we celebrate the contribution of early pioneers who started it all. These men and women were hardly perfect, all sorts of accusations can be made about them, from actual authorship to abuse, but it's understood they were the driving force that enabled all others to develop.

When Charlie Chaplin left the studio where he first became famous, he eventually went on to create some of the greatest movies ever made.

By comparison, very few Prince collaborators went on to establish a greater profile than they had with him. Obviously Jam and Lewis had a great deal of success but they also benefited handsomely from the sound Prince popularized and to which they themselves contributed under his wing. Wendy and Lisa had their own band and went on to score shows expertly, but they did not make a big splash on their own that is anywhere near comparable to what they had with Prince. Of all the performers, Morris had the best chance to establish a greater profile, but that was short-lived. Jessy had two successful records and it seemed he would be around to maintain that profile but then I guess he was too associated with the Minneapolis Sound to move on once that sound was overexposed. There's Andre, who was a respected producer after his own efforts as a solo artist did not translate into personal stardom. Sheila E. was one of the few who went on to maintain an enviable public profile as a performer thanks to her drumming -- she had an enviable career before she even met Prince so that helps.

Prince is justifiably proud of his "academy" and his body of work, it's too bad some fans are unwilling to give him the respect he deserves but then again fans are known to form very personal expectations toward a public figure and to act like they're on a first-name basis. Fake familiarity breeds contempt, as this thread demonstrates.

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Completely agree.

I said it in another thread I will say it again. You, Databank, and Violet in my opinion, are some of the most well represented, fair posters on this site. Knowledgeable, opinionated yet reasonable and fair...

Except for when Data always does the lock dance to my threads

paulludvig said:

Pentacle said:

Then who? The Klingons?

And as for Fink: it's not about, is it true or not (I'm sure you are right) but about the phrasing in the interview.

It's not only about phrasing but also context. Prince is talking about why he brought in Leeds as a soloist. [Edited 12/23/15 11:17am]

abnd i went back and listened to some of those aftershow boots from SOTT and LS era ..Eric is the soloist

tongueinthecrease said:

Guitarhero said:

Was this a Prince interview or start of world war 3 , i can't tell with some of these comments People really need to get over themselves here including Prince. Most of his fans are more crazy then Prince.

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Dude, I'm thinking the same thing. What a passionate group of people.

like put the cuckoo back int he clock crazy

murph said:

Aerogram said:

I do hope that Prince realizes that the few people who find him "sad" and "pathetic" are not representative of people likely to buy his music. Some of them clearly have longstanding personal issues with him, as if he used to be their best pal and then some shit went on and now they're here forever trying not to miss another chance to express their anger one more time like a jilted lover who can't move on.

I liked the interview because it's true that Prince created this environment that was like an Academy. He's rightfully proud of his contribution to American music and in time, it will be celebrated like today in film history we celebrate the contribution of early pioneers who started it all. These men and women were hardly perfect, all sorts of accusations can be made about them, from actual authorship to abuse, but it's understood they were the driving force that enabled all others to develop.

When Charlie Chaplin left the studio where he first became famous, he eventually went on to create some of the greatest movies ever made.

By comparison, very few Prince collaborators went on to establish a greater profile than they had with him. Obviously Jam and Lewis had a great deal of success but they also benefited handsomely from the sound Prince popularized and to which they themselves contributed under his wing. Wendy and Lisa had their own band and went on to score shows expertly, but they did not make a big splash on their own that is anywhere near comparable to what they had with Prince. Of all the performers, Morris had the best chance to establish a greater profile, but that was short-lived. Jessy had two successful records and it seemed he would be around to maintain that profile but then I guess he was too associated with the Minneapolis Sound to move on once that sound was overexposed. There's Andre, who was a respected producer after his own efforts as a solo artist did not translate into personal stardom. Sheila E. was one of the few who went on to maintain an enviable public profile as a performer thanks to her drumming -- she had an enviable career before she even met Prince so that helps.

Prince is justifiably proud of his "academy" and his body of work, it's too bad some fans are unwilling to give him the respect he deserves but then again fans are known to form very personal expectations toward a public figure and to act like they're on a first-name basis. Fake familiarity breeds contempt, as this thread demonstrates.

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well said

SoulAlive said:

BartVanHemelen said:

This interview shows what a sad man Prince has become. Such delusions, utterly believing his own bullshit.

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PurpleMedley122 said:

murph said:

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You guys continue to say this nonsense, yet never provide a rebuttal to his claims. Please state where Bart is wrong (um, Prince IS a habitual liar) instead of getting frustrated that he isn't kissing ass 24/7.

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I wish I had not of read that interview. Each time he speaks candidly it further confirms my suspicions that while Prince is a tremendous talent, he is a bit of a douche. I feel sorry for him in that he has given so much to to the world from an artistic stand point but seems to be missing out on the greatest joys of being human- forming meaningful relationships with others by treating others they way he would like to be treated.

feeluupp said:

Aerogram said:

I do hope that Prince realizes that the few people who find him "sad" and "pathetic" are not representative of people likely to buy his music. Some of them clearly have longstanding personal issues with him, as if he used to be their best pal and then some shit went on and now they're here forever trying not to miss another chance to express their anger one more time like a jilted lover who can't move on.

I liked the interview because it's true that Prince created this environment that was like an Academy. He's rightfully proud of his contribution to American music and in time, it will be celebrated like today in film history we celebrate the contribution of early pioneers who started it all. These men and women were hardly perfect, all sorts of accusations can be made about them, from actual authorship to abuse, but it's understood they were the driving force that enabled all others to develop.

When Charlie Chaplin left the studio where he first became famous, he eventually went on to create some of the greatest movies ever made.

By comparison, very few Prince collaborators went on to establish a greater profile than they had with him. Obviously Jam and Lewis had a great deal of success but they also benefited handsomely from the sound Prince popularized and to which they themselves contributed under his wing. Wendy and Lisa had their own band and went on to score shows expertly, but they did not make a big splash on their own that is anywhere near comparable to what they had with Prince. Of all the performers, Morris had the best chance to establish a greater profile, but that was short-lived. Jessy had two successful records and it seemed he would be around to maintain that profile but then I guess he was too associated with the Minneapolis Sound to move on once that sound was overexposed. There's Andre, who was a respected producer after his own efforts as a solo artist did not translate into personal stardom. Sheila E. was one of the few who went on to maintain an enviable public profile as a performer thanks to her drumming -- she had an enviable career before she even met Prince so that helps.

Prince is justifiably proud of his "academy" and his body of work, it's too bad some fans are unwilling to give him the respect he deserves but then again fans are known to form very personal expectations toward a public figure and to act like they're on a first-name basis. Fake familiarity breeds contempt, as this thread demonstrates.

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Completely agree.

I said it in another thread I will say it again. You, Databank, and Violet in my opinion, are some of the most well represented, fair posters on this site. Knowledgeable, opinionated yet reasonable and fair...

Except for when Data always does the lock dance to my threads