So let's cut all the discussion, false hope, assumption and speculation...

The real reason we didn't get the Purple Rain remaster as promised was simply because when Prince remastered it he didn't include any extra outtakes or b-sides or any unreleased material... Which is why Warner's didn't bother to release it, as Prince's tweet a couple weeks ago said he sent the remastered version of Purple Rain a year ago and said it's up to Warner's to release it or not...

It's obvious Warner's won't release it since there has nothing been new added and most likely Prince refused to add anything to his "creative artwork" as he probably thinks it's "perfect" the way it is.

stillwaiting said:

Money. Whatever real profits from Remasters there was dried up long ago. A huge $100 boxset might make a few dollars, but a one disc or two disc remaster would be in the bargain bins soon. Look at the bargain bins and just see all the classic albums there for next to nothing. This ship sailed around 2004....sad. Us die hards would buy it for sure. The average music fan? Nope.

That's basically what I'm thinking... Warner's, the fans, just common sense to make a bix box set, including unreleased footage/songs, b-sides, etc... But I guarentee you Prince just got Warner's a remastered Purple Rain with no bonus material. That is why Warners never released it over a year ago as Prince said he "delievered" it to them.

Are we sure it's about outtakes?

My money was on a censored PR that WB would refuse to release.

Aerogram said:

Are we sure it's about outtakes?

My money was on a censored PR that WB would refuse to release.

I wouldn't be surprised if Prince censored Darling Nikki... But I'm willing to bet he refused WB to allow extra outtakes and bonus material, ultimately making it no point for WB to spend the money to release a remastered release with no new material.

i agree.. i dont need a remastered PR without any new material... its a big WHO CARES

BUT

i really really really really need SOTT and Parade remastered.. they sound like SH*T!

feeluupp said:

feeluupp said:

So let's cut all the discussion, false hope, assumption and speculation...

The real reason we didn't get the Purple Rain remaster as promised was simply because when Prince remastered it he didn't include any extra outtakes or b-sides or any unreleased material... Which is why Warner's didn't bother to release it, as Prince's tweet a couple weeks ago said he sent the remastered version of Purple Rain a year ago and said it's up to Warner's to release it or not...

It's obvious Warner's won't release it since there has nothing been new added and most likely Prince refused to add anything to his "creative artwork" as he probably thinks it's "perfect" the way it is.

As said above u are making up theories.

We don't know NOTHING and neither do u.

And there are lots of threads already active about this, there was no need to create a new one to try and disguise speculation into fact and appear to be our saviour.

Bait + dupe + trolling :

databank said:

feeluupp said:

So let's cut all the discussion, false hope, assumption and speculation...

The real reason we didn't get the Purple Rain remaster as promised was simply because when Prince remastered it he didn't include any extra outtakes or b-sides or any unreleased material... Which is why Warner's didn't bother to release it, as Prince's tweet a couple weeks ago said he sent the remastered version of Purple Rain a year ago and said it's up to Warner's to release it or not...

It's obvious Warner's won't release it since there has nothing been new added and most likely Prince refused to add anything to his "creative artwork" as he probably thinks it's "perfect" the way it is.

As said above u are making up theories.

We don't know NOTHING and neither do u.

And there are lots of threads already active about this, there was no need to create a new one to try and disguise speculation into fact and appear to be our saviour.

Bait + dupe + trolling :

There were one or two people with WB inside info on other threads. They said it was about Prince only delivering the 9 song-album.

Apparently he does now and then answer questions of serious fans on Twitter,
so you could try to get him to elaborate on this fact.
"You want us to picket WB, Prince? For the album with outtakes, yeah?"

And of course, if this is true and he just deliverd the 9-song album,

then the fact that he played Electric Intercourse live after the WB deal

had been announced, is just plain sadistic.

(Forgetting for a moment that he left out that naught naughty word

'intercourse'.)

Basically we know nothing except what two "insider" sources are saying. It depends what involvement they have with the project, lots of incorrect info circulates in big organizations, what you think you know is often just one piece of the puzzle especially with the reality that many events have more than one cause.

I would tend to think it went a little this way:

Prince agrees to deliver PR remastered as is with outtakes;

Prince wants to censor some tunes, including Electric Intercourse;

WB says no, you need to leave the outtakes as is lyrically;

Prince: then you're not getting any outtakes.

WB: then there's no point in releasing this now.

Pure speculation I know.

Aerogram said:

Basically we know nothing except what two "insider" sources are saying. It depends what involvement they have with the project, lots of incorrect info circulates in big organizations, what you think you know is often just one piece of the puzzle especially with the reality that many events have more than one cause.

I would tend to think it went a little this way:

Prince agrees to deliver PR remastered as is with outtakes;

Prince wants to censor some tunes, including Electric Intercourse;

WB says no, you need to leave the outtakes as is lyrically;

Prince: then you're not getting any outtakes.

WB: then there's no point in releasing this now.

Pure speculation I know.

Could very well be. But why not say so? What does Prince stand to gain by silence?

I'm assuming WB stays silent because they still hope to resolve this.

Speculation because of the facts we heard from others, and the "hint" from Prince on his twitter.

He delivered an album remastered with nothing else to contribute to... WB didn't find the need to release it with no new tracks, no point.

Prince's twitter said it's in WB control now...

feeluupp said:

Speculation because of the facts we heard from others, and the "hint" from Prince on his twitter.

He delivered an album remastered with nothing else to contribute to... WB didn't find the need to release it with no new tracks, no point.

Prince's twitter said it's in WB control now...

Do you have Twitter?

Could you ask him about the promised outtakes?

Pentacle said:

feeluupp said:

Speculation because of the facts we heard from others, and the "hint" from Prince on his twitter.

He delivered an album remastered with nothing else to contribute to... WB didn't find the need to release it with no new tracks, no point.

Prince's twitter said it's in WB control now...

Do you have Twitter?

Could you ask him about the promised outtakes?

Other fans did... But he didn't respond to that, only that he sent the "remastered" version to WB and the balls in their court now...

databank said:

feeluupp said:

So let's cut all the discussion, false hope, assumption and speculation...

The real reason we didn't get the Purple Rain remaster as promised was simply because when Prince remastered it he didn't include any extra outtakes or b-sides or any unreleased material... Which is why Warner's didn't bother to release it, as Prince's tweet a couple weeks ago said he sent the remastered version of Purple Rain a year ago and said it's up to Warner's to release it or not...

It's obvious Warner's won't release it since there has nothing been new added and most likely Prince refused to add anything to his "creative artwork" as he probably thinks it's "perfect" the way it is.

As said above u are making up theories.

We don't know NOTHING and neither do u.

And there are lots of threads already active about this, there was no need to create a new one to try and disguise speculation into fact and appear to be our saviour.

Bait + dupe + trolling :

Yes I'm such a troll... The one who thinks MPLS Sound is a good album... Who's the real troll.

Prince missed the 98-08 remasters train

and now he has missed the 08-... deluxe edition train

typical Princey

feeluupp said:

So let's cut all the discussion, false hope, assumption and speculation...

The real reason we didn't get the Purple Rain remaster as promised was simply because when Prince remastered it he didn't include any extra outtakes or b-sides or any unreleased material...

That's cutting the speculation is it? Making shit up literally from the top of your head.

Troll.

Which is why Warner's didn't bother to release it, as Prince's tweet a couple weeks ago said he sent the remastered version of Purple Rain a year ago and said it's up to Warner's to release it or not...

Did Prince actually say it's been in WB's hands for a year?

It's obvious Warner's won't release it since there has nothing been new added and most likely Prince refused to add anything to his "creative artwork" as he probably thinks it's "perfect" the way it is.

More speculation.

Pentacle said:

feeluupp said:

Speculation because of the facts we heard from others, and the "hint" from Prince on his twitter.

He delivered an album remastered with nothing else to contribute to... WB didn't find the need to release it with no new tracks, no point.

Prince's twitter said it's in WB control now...

Do you have Twitter?

Could you ask him about the promised outtakes?

Prince never mentioned the inclusion of any outtakes. That was WB, you'd have to ask them. Or maybe join twitter, then you'd know what's going on.

Pentacle said:

Aerogram said:

Basically we know nothing except what two "insider" sources are saying. It depends what involvement they have with the project, lots of incorrect info circulates in big organizations, what you think you know is often just one piece of the puzzle especially with the reality that many events have more than one cause.

I would tend to think it went a little this way:

Prince agrees to deliver PR remastered as is with outtakes;

Prince wants to censor some tunes, including Electric Intercourse;

WB says no, you need to leave the outtakes as is lyrically;

Prince: then you're not getting any outtakes.

WB: then there's no point in releasing this now.

Pure speculation I know.

Could very well be. But why not say so? What does Prince stand to gain by silence?

I'm assuming WB stays silent because they still hope to resolve this.

It's standard practice to have to keep the specifics confidential for both parties in an agreement. Both parties may come to drop hints but are probably bound by secrecy as to the details if they consider themselves to still be in good terms somewhat. From the pre-HitnRun interviews, Prince does not appear to be completely at war with WB, he said it was a business relationship that was working OK, nothing more, nothing less. So no great hostility from him, WB may consider that he did technically honor the basic agreement. As we know zilch about the kind of agreement they negotiated. it's hard to guess but I don't see Prince entering into a very restrictive plan. He's basically doing whatever he wants and all signs point to WB not having much control, he's only nominally a WBR act it seems.

Noodled24 said:

feeluupp said:

So let's cut all the discussion, false hope, assumption and speculation...

The real reason we didn't get the Purple Rain remaster as promised was simply because when Prince remastered it he didn't include any extra outtakes or b-sides or any unreleased material...

That's cutting the speculation is it? Making shit up literally from the top of your head.

Troll.

Did Prince actually say it's been in WB's hands for a year?

It's obvious Warner's won't release it since there has nothing been new added and most likely Prince refused to add anything to his "creative artwork" as he probably thinks it's "perfect" the way it is.

More speculation.

... It's still the truth though.

Noodled24 said:

Pentacle said:

Do you have Twitter?

Could you ask him about the promised outtakes?

Prince never mentioned the inclusion of any outtakes. That was WB, you'd have to ask them. Or maybe join twitter, then you'd know what's going on.

You believe that WB came up with their press release based on pipe dreams?

In normal business practices, I'd also assume that they'd show the release to Prince before putting it out there.

This is EXACTLY how much we know about the remaster.

You ready?

Prince says he gave it to Warner Bros already.

That's it. That's all we know.

Is that the whole story? Probably not.

Does it contain any outtakes? We have no clue.

Will it still come out at some point? We don't know.

Are these threads starting to get annoying now? Yes.

as I have been saying in my last few posts... Prince being the greedy/selfish prick that he is...he could do/give WB everything the fans (who MADE him what he is today) including outakes, b-sides and really make a financial killing....but NO...he rather tourture us with his shitty releases of the last 15 years!

Maybe if we as fans refused to pay any attention to anything the man does going forward, until he gives us remasters, would that make a difference? Probably not, but my days of spending money on this dude are over. No more concerts, no more CDs. He has absolutely no love or respect for us who have carried him for 30 years plus. What an ass.

UncleJam said:

Maybe if we as fans refused to pay any attention to anything the man does going forward, until he gives us remasters, would that make a difference?

That might just be the only way, but as I'm sure you know half the people on this board will still go to his concerts just to check out his ass.